Thanks katones, i mean if thats the way they work i dont mind but i got good results last time so id prefer 5 day blasties over 2-3 day old ones Yeah im a bit confused too ferrals? cause its a no claim back option? it would be great to get half back though, this is our 2nd STIM cycle this year and also we have done 3 frozen ones so maybe it is something to do with the threshold?