Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April 2013

Sunday 21st April 2013 :boohoo:


Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Kel82 - taking a break
Curtysgirl - taking a break
Miss B - waiting for April cycle
Rai - on a break this cycle
Sarah4Kurt - CD??
Awesty - CD2
Ceejelz - CD2
Myturn - CD4
Emma - CD4
Hummingbird - CD4
N2L - CD5
Furbabies - CD5
Shellbell - CD10
Juniper - CD12
Treenie86 - CD16
Beau30 - CD17
Kerbear - CD27
Jo_white - CD47


Waiting for Transfer
Faye* - CD19


Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...13-2-a-190976/)
Becnxavi - CD?? 7dpo


Got Their BFP in April :leap:
Krikkit - 3/4 hCG 821@18dpo, 10/4 hCG 11600@25dpo!
Nic - CD43 - 12/4 +HPT!!! (6+1 by LMP)
Kbudgie - 16/4 hCG 253@16dpo!!


M.I.A. - We'd love to hear from you!
Rosemarry006, Emerald Star, Blossom

Awesty, I've had success with acupuncture in the past. I started after our 3rd BFN IVF and got a natural BFP in our second cycle of acupuncture. We also got a natural BFP with acupuncture when we started TTC#2. Unfortunately, both were m/c. I was also doing acupuncture during our successful IVF. I've done acupuncture in every cycle that gave us a BFP and never gotten a BFP without it... I haven't been since October, but I stopped in yesterday and made an appt for next weekend.

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Awesty, I've had success with acupuncture in the past. I started after our 3rd BFN IVF and got a natural BFP in our second cycle of acupuncture. We also got a natural BFP with acupuncture when we started TTC#2. Unfortunately, both were m/c. I was also doing acupuncture during our successful IVF. I've done acupuncture in every cycle that gave us a BFP and never gotten a BFP without it... I haven't been since October, but I stopped in yesterday and made an appt for next weekend.

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Thanks juniper76, I was just looking up acupuncturists in the services section, I hope you don't mind if I ask a couple questions, your experience with it sounds pretty positive?

How many times in a cycle did you go? Did you go to someone who specialised in fertility/conception? What area are you in? (in case you are near me I'll be asking you for their name):D

A xx

I go once per week most of the time. Occasionally we'll do an extra treatment at O time if my O is mid-week and we do extra treatments just before and after transfer if we're doing an IVF or FET cycle. You definitely want to see someone who specialises in fertility because someone who doesn't know what they're doing can cause more harm than good.

Are you in Brisbane? The acu I see is at Ashgrove. I can PM her name to you if you want. I've met people on the forums who drive all the way from Ipswich to see her...

Thanks Juniper76, yes I'm in Brisbane! That would be great if you could send me her details xx

Thanks have read! I have heard of them before! Good luck with your next round! I'll give them a call tomorrow!

Ah, crap! When I put the pregnyl in the fridge yesterday, I didn't noticed that one of the powder ampoules for my trigger had fallen out of the box. I only found out when I got it out to do the trigger! I was able to use one of the booster shots instead, but now I'll have to ask for another to replace it. So annoyed that the nurse didn't put it back in the box properly (she took it out to show me how to do it even though I told her I'd used it before) and that I didn't notice when I was putting it in the fridge!

And I cut my finger on one of the ampoules just to complete the experience...

Awkward bugger!!! I think I've got one here, but that's no help to you all the way up there.

How annoying!

ouch Juniper! I cut myself on the vile the first time I use prenyl and managed to shatter the whole top! At least they'll replace it for you x

Oh no Juniper, how frustrating!

Cd1 for me today and don't I know it, I feel like someone has a knife to my insides...hope these pain killers kick in soon :-(

Welcome Bec & awesty - hope you get your bfps soon.

Oh juniper! I have cut myself before on the vial too - how annoying that you need to get one replaced too cause of their fault.

Well scan this morning shows my lining has not increased at all. I am so angry at my body & also the fs for the fact they werent even going to check it again & let us do the transfer. I have cancelled this cycle - font want to waste and embryo, the money & the emotional stress it puts on us. Am very upset though. The clinic will ring me this afternoon to say where we are going to go now. I so wanted to be pregnant by the time I turn 34 but that's not happening now. I always had a limit of need to have children done by 35. Running out of time now - we will be lucky to get one at all.

Monday 22nd April 2013 :boohoo:


Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Kel82 - taking a break
Curtysgirl - taking a break
Miss B - waiting for April cycle
Rai - on a break this cycle
Sarah4Kurt - CD??
Kerbear - CD1
Awesty - CD3
Ceejelz - CD3
Myturn - CD5
Emma - CD5
Hummingbird - CD5
N2L - CD6
Furbabies - CD6
Shellbell - CD11
Juniper - CD13
Treenie86 - CD17
Beau30 - CD18
Jo_white - CD48


Waiting for Transfer
Faye* - CD20


Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...13-2-a-190976/)
Becnxavi - CD?? 8dpo


Got Their BFP in April :leap:
Krikkit - 3/4 hCG 821@18dpo, 10/4 hCG 11600@25dpo!
Nic - CD43 - 12/4 +HPT!!! (6+1 by LMP)
Kbudgie - 16/4 hCG 253@16dpo!!


M.I.A. - We'd love to hear from you!
Rosemarry006, Emerald Star, Blossom

kerbear, sorry to hear AF is being so nasty. :(

Beau, thank goodness you got the scan! I'd be so annoyed with them for risking wasting a precious embie!

Welcome Bec & awesty - I hope your stays here are short and you get your BFP's very soon!

Sorry kerbear - AF sucks!

Beau, as Juniper said thank goodness you got the scan! I too would be furious to waste an embie! I hope you have better luck with the next cycle :hug:

Hi girls I need some advice.
For those of you who have done a HRT fet what does it involve & if you get bfp do you have to continue pesseries/crinone till 12 weeks? I reacted so badly to both during my ivf cycle am really scared of having to use it again - I was waking up at least 4 times a night drenched in sweat.
Another option I have is doing an ever so slightly stim cycle involving about 25mg gonal-f. I need to ask them about my ivf cycle cause I don't think my lining was fantastic either.
Third option is to do another natural fet cycle (I don't want to waste months & months of cycles being cancelled due to my thin lining).

Sorry iPhone double posted.

Yes, with a HRT FET you have to stay on progesterone (and oestrogen, I think) until 12 weeks because your body isn't producing any on its own at first, so you have to stay on them until the placenta is well and truly producing enough. I was offered clomid for my first natural FET (I declined because I had awful s/e on clomid), although that can thin your lining, so probably not a good option for you under the circumstances. If you go for the natural cycle, I'd probably ask about starting the monitoring earlier so that you have a bit more time to try to improve the lining if it's thin again. By the time you found out this time there wasn't much time to try to fix it.

So back from the FS appointment today ladies. I had a good chat to him basically wanting to know if anything has changed in IVF since I've seen him last and if I am seriously wasting my time planning a cycle at almost 43. He said I'd definitely be doing the slow release drug elonva cycle and something new which involves a nasal spray around either the egg release time or the egg collection time, can't quite remember but it's got something to do with the 'mimicking' the natural order of things in the body, sorry I sound vague. The other thing he said that Monash is almost at a time when they will be only doing frozen cycles, as in no fresh transfers, as they get a lot more success with FETs. We spoke about the PGD testing and again he said it's worthwhile doing if there is about 8 to 10 embryos, so he wouldn't recommend doing it it on 2 or 3. He said that it cost around $3500 extra a cycle, and if an embryo is going to make it it will, otherwise it won't result in a healthy pg. He also said it's worthwhile re checking my AMH levels, and so I am off for bloods on Wednesday to check that plus all the other standard BT. Sooooo a litle bit to think about (especially about the PGD testing), but I am guessing by the time the results come back from the BT especially the AMF test which takes 2 weeks, I will be doing a June cycle. My 'new' AF is due 7 May (long story but I had a mid cycle AF which threw out my regular cycle), so the AMH test won't be available until approx. 8 May so we'll have to skip that one and plan a cycle around the 4 June.

Some of that sounds similar to what my FS said, it seems that unless you get lots of eggs, its best to just stick what you get in, as they can get 'lost' the longer you leave them out.
Im sorry its still so far away B, but I'm hoping that you are feeling okay after the appointment. :hug:

Thanks myturn, I actually felt OK after the appointment and that I am getting everything checked again and starting afresh. It's funny how most of my cycles are planned around June :o 3 out of 4 in fact......Oh and he has put me on a prescribed drug called melatonin, something to do with restful sleep rejuvenating the body??????? Apparently they have had great success with it in terms of successful cycles....Anyone heard of that??

Hi, just a quick one. I took melatonin for five months last year MissB, for my last cycle. Did squat for me :( Did help sleep though :)

Great Job miss.b- getting up to date with what you need!
Melatonin, I've never heard of it---- but I want some!

AFM- at a bit of a loss.... Only one embryo in the freezer and then my DH doesn't want to do anymore.... It's bittersweet.
I feel like we had a good crack at it and maybe it's not meant to be?
But hopefully I fall pregnant from the next t/fer and won't have to think about all that!

Should I ask/do anything different?
Can they do any specific testing as to see why the embryos aren't sticking?
My brain has turned to mush lately re: fertility, I always go into shut down after a :BFN:

Thanks n2l, I have no problem with my sleep :o. I just googled it and it said something about free radicals, antioxidants.....dunno, but I'm willing to try it, doesn't hurt, right?

Nah. Try it! You will have lovely sleep and hopefully a bfp!

Awww Emma, hopefully you won't need another stim cycle :hug: This is the thing, how can you know for sure that you've given it all you've got and that you've had a great big crack at it? I guess I keep thinking that you are still so young, that you have so much time left in you, it just depends when you've had enough, really enough. When it all starts to really impact on your physical/mental health and on your relationship with your DH. I guess you'll know when you've had enough. I am becoming quite an old duck, but I can't give up just yet. It does help when you have a DH that co operates though....Like I said hopefully you won't have to do it all over again with the drugs and all, but if you do, and you know you can have another crack, I hope that your DH comes to the party :hug:

You're funny n2l, you always make me smile, thanks lovely :)

Thanks miss.B.

I feel like my fertility is defining me as a person these days and its taking its toll on my everyday life.
I am still young, as is DH-- but my DD is getting older and I'm not sure how keen I am on going back to the beginning.
I think what is getting me down is the lack of answers-- it seems to come down to chance with us.
The perfect embryo at the perfect time in the perfect environment.
When will that all come together? Nobody knows.
We have to have a cut off somewhere and this seems as good a spot as any.
My DH will do as he is told :P (to put it bluntly)
It's me going through all the procedures and all that jazz....
I will talk it through with my FS, but I'm wondering how long 'to keep flogging a dead horse' so to speak.....
I'm desperate for another baby, like all of us in here.
If my FS thinks PGD could give us a better chance, then I'm open to another stim cycle or if she has some other ideas- then so be it.
Truthfully- I'm sure we will do 1 more stim anyway.... But there has to be a line somewhere for me!
Emotionally and financially--- this journey will come to an end for me and I'm lucky to be blessed with my DD who will have a wonderful, full life with or without a sibling.
She will have to, cause its out of my freakin (insert terribly worded expletetive here) control :(

***stalking***

Hugs emma

Thanks WM.
DH and I agree that we would try naturally for a set amount of time, and then that would be it.

That's how I feel sometimes too Emma, that fertility is defining me and I hate it. I hate the fact that my whole world is evolving around TTC at times. I think it's because we have so many obstacles. But they are here and we have to deal with them. I just don't want to get to a point where it's ruining my life and my relationship. There was a time when I was really resenting my DP because it was him that wasn't ready to try again after DS was born. I kept thinking while you are taking your time, my eggs are getting older, but I knew it takes two to tango so to speak. In between the cycles we try naturally too, but I know that if we somehow conceive, it will be the biggest miracle ever. Big hugs hun, I hope that we both get there.

In regards to the PGD testing hun, it might be worth looking into. I know it's expensive, but if you want to see how healthy the embies are, that's one way of finding out. It might be nothing, which then becomes an issues why they are not sticking. I was told that under a microscope in the lab an embryo might look perfect, no fragmentation, diving nicely etc, but if there are any chromosomal abnormalities, it won't show unless you do the testing. My doc seems to think it's a lot of money to spend to find out what your body can tell you. Anyway, that might not be the issue for you hun.

Hiya girlies :-)
It's me sarah4kurt with a slight new name lol, I'd lost my email account and belly belly passwords so its been a prob trying to post!
But I've been reading and figured its about time I sign up n post again lol.

Emma big hugs I know how it is to come to have had enough, I was there a few months ago and nearly lost our relationship over it all... I feel much better after a big break and consciously letting ttc go for a while. It was hard at first but actually good after some distance. Maybe you might feel that way too after a break xo

Afm I juniper I am cd 19 and 6 dpo of a clomid cy...
Been on dhea for quite a few months so hope it helps, I actually had (tmi) ewcm for the first time in a long time lol hope that's a good sign.it has been the first time in a long time that dh has actually been home from work at the right time... Yay :-)
Good luck girlies and a big hi to the new girls here xoxo

Welcome back Sarah4kurt, good to hear you've had a good break and FX a BFP is just around the corner for you!!

Sneaking in...Emma, if you can afford to try PGD then I would give that a go. That was going to by my next thing to try. I know our bodies can tell which embies are not perfect but its a lot of heart ache to go through, not to mention the stress of the financial side of things. If you can afford to pay for PGD and get one good embie that sticks surely it would end up being cheaper than a whole heap of cyles that dont work. Plus the BFN's month after month are horrible and very consuming.

I know how lost you must be feeling as I was ready to give up way before DH was. 8 cycles and 7 transfers in less than a year took a toll on me mentally and physically and financially. I was lucky he was keen to keep trying as it was not in me anymore.

I guess only you know when you have had enough. If the thought of not having another bubba is worse than going through another cycle then I guess your not done. That was me in the end.

For me TTC was highly addictive. Silly I know, but it was very consuming and it was all I thought about. When was my next appt, when was my next jab, how can I get pg!!! The endless counting down to something. AF, EPU, transfer, BT...it was a vicious cycle. If I had been younger I would have taken time off to rebalance myself, but being 41 it was not an option. You still have time to take a year off and regroup. If the thought of taking a year off fills you with dread then your not done :)

I really wish you the very best on your journey. And hope that a sticky BFP comes your way ASAP xxx

Sneaks out...

Tuesday 23rd April 2013 :boohoo:


Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Kel82 - taking a break
Curtysgirl - taking a break
Miss B - waiting for April cycle
Rai - on a break this cycle
Kerbear - CD2
Awesty - CD4
Ceejelz - CD4
Myturn - CD6
Emma - CD6
Hummingbird - CD6
N2L - CD7
Furbabies - CD7
Shellbell - CD12
Treenie86 - CD18
Beau30 - CD19
Jo_white - CD49


Waiting for Transfer
Faye* - CD21


Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...13-2-a-190976/)
Juniper - CD14 0dpIUI
Sarah4Kurt - CD19 6dpo
Becnxavi - CD?? 9dpo


Got Their BFP in April :leap:
Krikkit - 3/4 hCG 821@18dpo, 10/4 hCG 11600@25dpo!
Nic - CD43 - 12/4 +HPT!!! (6+1 by LMP)
Kbudgie - 16/4 hCG 253@16dpo!!


M.I.A. - We'd love to hear from you!
Rosemarry006, Emerald Star, Blossom

Miss.B, I'm on melatonin too. As WM said, it's a hormone your body produces to sleep. I have been told that you shouldn't take it for more than 6 consecutive weeks or your body will stop producing it's own. I love that I don't have to worry about my insomnia during my treatment cycles, thanks to the melatonin!

Emma, most of what I'd want to say has already been said above, so I won't repeat it. I think we all have a time that is right for us to stop and it takes courage to recognise it and act on it, especially when it's something so all-consuming as LTTTC. You show a lot of wisdom for someone so young and I know you'll do what's right for your family. :hug: FX for your little snowbaby.

Afm, IUI was this morning. Still not sure about the timing (worried I O'd on the weekend, but keep telling myself he would have picked it up in the b/w), but DH's number were great today, so very happy with that! I had been very worried after his borderline numbers for the last IUI, so it has been a great relief to see such a big improvement!

Thanks ladies for your kind words.
Ill be speaking to my FS to explore my options.

Best of luck Juniper with your IUI!
Good luck to all ladies who are currently cycling :)

Emma I to feel like you, unfortunately I think having to go on this journey and experience this heartache defines us all a little different to what we were before going through this.
I just want to make sure I learn to deal with my pain and jealousy one day and not be this awful person I feel i am at the moment.

I hope you find some answers to help you on the path that might get you your bfp, it is so hard to know what to do and there are so many different opinions xo

Juniper hope your IUI is a success xo

Sarahkurt hope your clomid cycle is successful :-)

Ho to everyone else, I am here reading but feel the need to be a little bit quiet with posting. As I am having shoulder surgery on Friday we won't be trying this month but I have no doubt I will still hope for a miracle lol.

I've got my mum telling me we should think about giving up. She's tired of worrying about us. We've been through enough etc etc.

I am so angry with her. I've blasted back a text (she's in the UK) saying that I can't worry about her worrying! We will choose when to give up. We are in charge of this.

Sometimes the things people say infuriates me! In one conversation she implied my pregnancy with DS was so bad it's not worth having another. Therefore there's no point getting 'fixed'.
She worried about me so much during the pregnancy she couldn't go through it again........ OMG! I couldn't give a poo! She has given me all her worries on top of my own..... Selfish!!!!

Word of the day: worry. Ugh!

oh willi sorry your mum is being that way xx

Sorry Willi- that's ****!