Just wanted to say thanks for the warm welcomes and wishes.
Loops12 - good luck with your little blasty, praying that he is the one and that you do get to freeze one or two just in case.
Taurean78 - looking forward to hearing how much your follies have grown, when is your EPU?
Emeraldstar - FX for you!
Wishes - are you doing IUI? not sure about the lining question but I can tell you my best friend took 2 months break after unsuccessful ivf and took chinese herbs and on her next attempt her lining was more than 2mm thicker and eggs better quality (she stopped the herbs when starting meds as her FS said there is a possibility of drug interaction) and the next t/f took and now she has twin boys
Jasminstar- GL for u/s, you must be uncomfortable, I haven't been able to wear my jeans, the button won't even reach so can't imagine how your feeling...
Williamsemma - congratulations!!!!
AFM - tired, cranky, anxious, excited. I'm starting to feel empty like my eggs have left the building so at this stage I will be happy with any number. But 7 would be great!
Williamsemma59 - GL with the rest of your 2WW, the positive POS sound very promising. I have a friend who got a BFP on her first IVF. So it does happen - there are quiet a few of in hear hoping that this will be the case for us also! FX your dreams are finally about to come true - 8 years is a long time.
Emerald Star - sorry to hear you are expecting a BFP. My fingers are sill crossed for you hon. I hope you are mistaken and you get a pleasant surprise. X
Loops - glad to hear the charity ball was a hit and the ET went well today. My thoughts are with you as you begin your TWW. I really hope this is your time to shine. I am really sorry that it looks like you won't end up with any embies to freeze. FX that this one will be your little fighter and you won't need them anyway.
Taurean - GL with the second US tomorrow. I hope that things have progressed well over the wend. Thanks for thinking of me also. I will keep you posted tomorrow on the results.
Bubbless - also. GL with your EPU tomorrow. I hope your get lots of good quality eggs. I have just had endo removed from my left ovary so I will be interested to see how it has performed at my first scan tomorrow.
Wishes - GL to you too for you US / BT tomorrow. Re your endometrial lining I have read that optimally it would be 8-10mm for implantation, 6mm at a minimum but implantation has been know to happen as low as 5mm. Progesterone in the luteral phase of your cycle also continues to helps your endometrium thicken while your embbie is bedding down. Hope that helps and GL making sense of it all.
Jaminstar - wow I can't believe your ovaries are touching! I can only imagine how uncomfortable you must be and 30 follicles is impressive. GL for the next US/BT tomorrow and your hopeful EPU Wednesday.
Hi to eveyone else. Hope you have had a lovely wend.
Big thanx to every1 for your messages u guys really help to stay positive
seems like everybody has these confirmation blood tests???????? i have been told to ring my clinic after the ( which is tomorrow ) and they will arrange a scan for me in 4 loooooooong weeks!
Emerald star- for wednesday!!!!!!!!
loops12- for you also 1 blastie is all it takes as i have learnt!
Taurean78- big GL for tomorrow here's hopin u've progressed loads &loads!
mitf- Hope your scan goes well big FX!
Bubbles- GL for your EPU tomorrow hope it goes well for you
Taurean78, glad to hear you are feeling better about it all. I know it's a bit late, but I'll answer your questions as well anyway:
(1) How many follies are average? I had between 4-9 over my different cycles.
(2) At EPU, is it expected that all mature follies will release the same number of eggs? ie. if I have 3 follies looking to be the right size, would I be right to expect 3 eggs at EPU? Not necessarily, as I said for the previous question, I've had between 4 and 9 follies for my different cycles. Each cycle I've had either 5 or 6 eggs, so sometimes I got fewer eggs and sometimes I got more eggs than there were visible follies. Some follies are actually empty and don't contain eggs and some follies which do contain eggs are hidden behind others and aren't seen on the scan (but are found at EPU).
(3) Is it normal for remaining small follies to hav a growth spurt in the last 5-7 days before EPU? It's possible for them to catch up but they won't necessarily. Sometimes the larger ones can be let grow until they're 26-ish mm which can allow the smaller ones to get to the 18-20mm required to be mature. It just depends on what your Dr thinks is going to give you the best outcome.
(4) Is there anything more I can do (diet/lifestyle) to get the remainder of them moving along? I would have suggested acupuncture if you hadn't already mentioned it, but otherwise nothing comes to mind. I'm sure you could find plenty of suggestions if you spent some time on google...
Bubless, try not to stress over the lazy left ovary. My last IVF I had most of my follicles on the left and only one (or possibly a cyst) on the right. My right ovary is normally the good one... We got 1 less egg than in my previous cycle when they were more balanced (ie no significant difference in outcome, in fact we did better in terms of the number of usabe embies).
Wishes, I hope the u/s today provides some answers. I agree that 16mm sounds a bit small to O. GL.
Loops, I'm glad to hear it went well. GL with the 2ww.
Taureen - thanks for your support. GL with results today - i hope you really do get some good ones.
Emerald Star - thanks for your help and support. I'll just keep hoping this one will be enough. Im sorry you feel you have a BFN, I truly hope your wrong GL for the BT x
Mitf - thanks for your words and wishes. When is your EPU going to be? Hope everything is going along well.
Williamsemma - thanks for giving me that hope. So you got your BFP!
Juniper - thanks heaps for your support and care. All the best for you.
to all
Does anyone know if the Crinone Gel gives false positives on HPT? Don't worry I'm going to try my hardest not to do one but just in case.
Ok, IVF#1 with first US / BT 11 days after beginning Puregon injections. We have good and bad news. Good - Endometrium is 11mm. Bad - the endometrioma I had on my left ovary and which was removed at my Lap in June has come back and is at 35mm. While my FS warned that it would probably come back, I hadn't expected it so soon. We had though it might stay at bay for at least 4-5 cycles. Good - even though the endometrioma has come back, there are 5 good sized follies partying around it. Good - I also have 7 follies developing on my right ovary. The BT has also confirmed that everything is developing ok. I have no more scans and will trigger Wed night for my EPU scheduled for 8.30am Friday. They also told me I have an estrodial of 5,000 (although not sure what that means).
Question - how do you calculate the follicle size? I notice everyone else refers to them as a single figure but mine all have 2 measurements ie the biggest one is 14mm x 18mm. Do I just average it so it is 16mm?
Juniper - Hi, I hope things are well with you. You mentioned acupuncture. This is something I have never tried and am considering. When is the best time to have it and how many times?
Loops - can't help you with your question. I hope you manage to stay awat from HPT or at least till close to the very end.
Williamsemma - I noticed your comments about the BT. Do you not have one? I can't believe you would have to wait another 4 weeks for confirmation at your scan!
We have quite a bit of action happening in here today - Bubbles, Turean, Jaminstar, Wishes - I hope you respective scans, BT and EPU went well.
Mitf - All sound good! don't focus on the negatives!! As for follicle measurements, you are correct, they are measured by "circumference" so it just easier to take the first measurement.Eg. when you say your follie is 14x18 it is actually 14 the 18 is its total circumference.(too technical, iknow) Sounds like they will be good to go by EPU. Relax!!Take a deep breath!!! and you will do all the stressing in your 2WW.
Loops12 - I have been on Crinone as well....IT DOES NOT GIVE FALSE POSITIVES as it is a progesterone support for your lining (uterus). Only HCG is read on HPT's and that is from the trigger shots. Go ahead and POAS as much as you like!
Williamsemma59 - I know every clinic has different way of doing things...but strange how they have not got you in for a blood test before a scan..
To anyone I've missed sorry...but my warm wishes are with you. GL
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Emerald Star - Hang in there! No AF has to be a good sign? My fingers are crossed and my hopes are still high for you.
Bubbless - I hope EPU went well for you today and that you aren't too uncomfortable. Let us know how you went.
mitf - Sorry to hear that the endometrioma is back and back so soon. You have a great outlook though and your follies seem to have developed well despite this. Can you believe that we've made it to the trigger stage?! Hope it goes well. Regarding the acupuncture question, I see an obstetric acupuncturist with a special interest in IVF. There is also a great ABC catalyst episode on the benefits. I'll include the link and apologise in advance to Mods if this isn't allowed. Catalyst: Improving The Odds Of IVF - ABC TV Science
I had acupuncture today but the crucial times according to my practitioner in IVF are a day or two after EPU and then 2 treatments on the day of transfer (one before, one after). My lady is in Bondi Junction and if anyone would like her details, feel free to PM me.
Williamsemma59 - I could not wait that long! I would be going to your GP to get checked and bypass your clinic! But that's just me - impatient to a tee.
I had another scan this morning and things have improved since Friday. I had 5 follies measured @ 20mm, 15, 14, 12 & 11mm. It looks like FS is going to sacrifice the 20mm one for the others and I have another scan tomorrow morning and will trigger either Tue or Wed - TBA after the BT and US in the morning.
I hope you are all feeling positive and my thoughts are with you wherever you are in the scheme of things.
Daisie - are you out there? Thinking of you and wondering how you're getting on.
MITF - great results, I wouldn't worry about the endometrioma if your FS isn't. I had one on a scan since my lap (Feb '08) which appears to have disappeared as hasn't shown on any u/s since.
Taurean - how did your u/s go today?
Emerald Star - I tend to think like you, expect the worst and then anything better is a pleasant surprise! You still have a great chance, no AF and not long to go until test..
Juniper - thanks for the reassurance
EPU went well today. Only 5 eggs (but I'd talked myself into having none) so was really happy when I woke up to hear that number. Not sure of the quality but I don't even want to know as that'll be another thing to stress about. I read back in the notes from my clinic and they state that they provide minimum disruption ie few u/s and no blood tests, I am ok with this approach as the more I know the more I will compare myself to statistics and others and I really can't do anymore than what I'm doing. Was surprised how well I felt today, just a slight ache in the right side as obviously didn't need poking around on the left. After the lap last year and having adhesions lasered this was a breeze.
Taurean78 - thanks for the positve attitude.....although i must warn you AF is around the corner..i can feel her....don't know why she's playing with my head...she was due today..the progesterone must be delaying her.....i'm secretely hoping its a BFP!!
I too had to sacrifice a nice 22mm when others were between 12 - 16mm but i got more eggs by sacrificing the one. I'd say you will probably trigger WEdnesday. GL for you EPU!!
Bubbless - like i said to Taurean...i can feel AF around the corner!
When is your ET?
Well today went well as far as U/S. The nurses are a bit worried about OHSS though due to having 15 follicles left and right between 16 and 18 mm; and BT results this afternoon. Anyway I trigger at 4am (yes what a lovely time) for EPU on Wednesday at 4pm. What's good is that they will continue with pick up but what's bad is that transfer may not happen Friday as planned as they are pretty sure that when they burst those 30 follicles I am more than likely going to go into hyperstim. That I can accept and they may wait till next week and do blasties instead - which I think is a good thing as I hear the success is better. But what they also mentioned, after consult with FS, was that I may not be able for that either if Est is too high so might have to wait for transfer till next month. This is a bad enough delay and further meds in the scenario but next month I am working in Darwin so won't be able to do it until September - Aghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not a happy bunny. Trying not to think the worst for now and I should be greatful that I am having a really good follie result also so sorry for the self indulgence I'm just frustrated with all the waiting and worrying. And I'm not looking forward to EPU after they told me I will likely be very sore due to all those punctures they have to do. Anyway we'll see what happens Wednesday - DH has to go in early as we have to get his results before decding ICSI or not: Has anyone else been borderline DH where they aren't sure about ICSI? His results aren't great and I don't want to waste the cycle but I also don't want to force a fertilisation that may not be strong - don't really know much about it and my FS said to wait for his results on the day (as they vary what's up and down in his results) and then decide.
Bubless, Glad you got those righties to come through for you. Hope your ET goes well and everything sticks - GL.
Mitf, Sorry to hear the endo came back so soon but as you have follies developing hopefully it is not interfering. 12 follies sounds pretty successful anyway. Thanks for all you encouragement and wishes too. My trigger tonight is 5,000 of pregnyl as well. According to the nurses it's usually 10,000 but if you have more estrogen or they think your follies are well developed the FS will recommend 5,000 (which is what they usually recommend for OI, IUI and FET cycles). But as with everything it's all pretty individual based.
Emerald Star, I so hope you are wrong with your feelings. I have all my good carma focussed you way and really hope you get that BFP on Wednesday.
Taurean78, Hope your follies all catch up. Sorry you have to give up the 20mm but to get 4 instead of one must be better. Hope trigger and EPU goes smoothly.
Loops12, Don't know about Crinone at all sorry. Wishing you all the best and counting down to 13th with you
Best wishes to everyone else out there and Gl to us all
Hey Hey Ladies I am back been soo busy with work and travel its been crazy I will BBL for personals just wanted to quickly jump in say hi.. Had another FS appointment today ovaries are sleeping as per usual so back on the Gonal which I am freaking out about due to the severity of the OHSS last time 2 weeks in hospital and 30+kgs of fluid sooo have my scan Friday to see if we can get a follie ...
Emerald Star - thanks for the advice. GL with your BT Wed. I really hope you are wrong about the BFN. I am staying positive for us all and think it would be so fantastic if you could get the BFP ball rolling!
Bubbles - great news about your five little embies. I hope they are all top notch and develop nicely over the next few days. Good to hear it wasn't too bad an experience. I am not sure what to expect but as you say it can't be worse than the Lap.
Taurean - it looks like we are going to be on exactly the same schedule! Thanks for the Catalyst link. I had a look at it and have done a bit of googling for an acupuncturist in my local area. I will have to give them a call and see if I can schedule a few sessions. It is already costing us a fortune what's a few more dollars and needles! Things sound good after your scan, interesting that you are having another one tomorrow morning. I have only had the one. I guess I have done a couple of IUI's at the clinic so they know a little about how my body reacts.
Jasminstar - wow 30 follies sounds amazing but not the potential OHSS. I really hope it stays at bay - it would suck so bad if you had to wait 2 cyles for ET. The 5,000 I was referring to is actually my estrogen levels which the nurse said is good. I am lucky I get to trigger at 8.30pm for an 8.30am collection. I had 5,000 Pregnyl for my IUI trigger's but this time I get to try something new - Ovidrel - it's amazing how many diffrent variations there is between diffrent IVF cycles! GL with your EPU.... the punctures will be worth it in the end! FX the OHSS stays at bay.
Miss K - Hi. Good to see you popping in. Good luck with the Gonal. Hopefully last times experience will help you avoid a repeat of OHSS and the hospital visit which sounds terrible.
AFM - Well I have 12 follies in total Right - 15, 12, 14, 14, 11, 12 & 12mm. Plus left - 12, 12, 11, 15 and 14mm. Still a little small at the moment but they should be developed nicely by Friday. Now I just have to hope that most of the follies are nurturing lovely little eggs and not too many empty phantoms! Oh I also found out today I will probably be doing a 5 day transfer so that will be next Wednesday.
That's all for now. Rest up and I hope everyone else is doing well on there treatment. xo
jasminstar - Thankyou for the
Just wanting to share my knowledge about ICSI, ICSI is supposed to be better than the norm ivf procedure as they pick out the bestest 1 sperm and fertilise the egg. With normal IVF they put all sperm in a dish and wait for fertilisation. You can google it and get more info. I chose ICSI. GL with your decision.
Mitf - I am so happy for you....you have lots of follies growing so close together, which is supposed to be really good....looking forward to hearing about your EPU.
Mitf - sorry about your endometrium coming back and I hope it doesnt cause any hassles for you with this cycle. All the very best for Fri - hope you get some g8 eggies. I will stay away from the HPT's as long as I can, ta.
Emerald Star - thanks for the info about Crinone - its just in case I get tempted but Im going to try my hardest not to do HPT's. All the very best for your BT, I really hope your mistaken about AF coming. Thinking of you and send good vibes xo
Taureen - your follies sound pretty good so far - all the best for your EPU.
Bubbless - Glad your EPU went well and you dont have much pain. 5 is good - that's what we got, they all fertilised but even though we may not have any to freeze, one is all it takes! We are hoping our one that was transferred is a fighter. All the best - hope you get a good one to transfer and also some to freeze. GL
Jasminstar - sorry that you're getting mucked around. I really hope you arent in too much pain and I hope like anything it all worth it in the end for you. We did ICSI because DH's count and mobility was low and always so varied. ICSI is supposed to bypass all male factor issues - so I believe in our case it really was the best option. GL. Thanks for your wishes.
Miss K - hi. GL with the Gonal. I really hope you dont get OHSS again - drink heaps of water as they say and rest. All the best. Much love x
AFM - Not much to report as of yet. I've had some mild period like pain which is supposed to be a good sign - so im hoping its implantation pain. I think its def too early for AF to be coming - at least I really hope she's not.
I going to be away at a work Summit in Bendigo for the rest of the week which will keep my mind off things, also means I can't keep up to date with all my friends on BB so I wish you all the very best and truly hope we all get BFP's very soon. Take care for now.
Thinking of all xo
mitf, my acupuncturist is recommending doing acu for 4 months before our next IVF. The reasoning is that it takes 4 months for eggs to grow from start to finish so that way the eggs that start growing now during the acu will be the ones collected during EPU. Until we do our next cycle I'm going once a week. I've only been twice so far, so I'm still learning... Sorry to hear about the endometrioma. GL on Friday!
Bubless, glad to hear it went smoothly and you're doing well. I got 5 last time too with my unbalanced ovarian response... FX you have some top notch embies today!
jasminstar, we gave our clinic permission to do "rescue ICSI" (there's other names for it too) - basically if they didn't fertilise naturally they could try ICSI. We didn't need it in the end thankfully. But I had a cycle buddy on another forum who had no eggs fertilise naturally and two-thirds of them fertilised with rescue ICSI 24 hours after EPU! Given the delay they weren't hopeful about them even fertilising with ICSI so they were thrilled with that.
Miss K, I hope this cycle goes a bit easier on you.
GL with the rest of your 2WW, the positive POS sound very promising. I have a friend who got a BFP on her first IVF. So it does happen - there are quiet a few of in hear hoping that this will be the case for us also! FX your dreams are finally about to come true - 8 years is a long time.
( which is tomorrow ) and they will arrange a scan for me in 4 loooooooong weeks!
for wednesday!!!!!!!! 
GL for the BT x
you got your BFP!
to all
I will BBL for personals just wanted to quickly jump in say hi.. Had another FS appointment today ovaries are sleeping as per usual so back on the Gonal which I am freaking out about due to the severity of the OHSS last time 2 weeks in hospital and 30+kgs of fluid sooo have my scan Friday to see if we can get a follie ...
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