:hello:just wanted to pop in and say hi to you all hope everyone is having a nice weekend.
take care all and ill see you in about 6 weeks:dance:
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:hello:just wanted to pop in and say hi to you all hope everyone is having a nice weekend.
take care all and ill see you in about 6 weeks:dance:
Hi Ladies
Miss_C - I definately felt like a guinea pig the first go, i know they have reasons for not telling us too much at once so they wont scare us off :) Hang in there and just think we are oneup on a lot of people... we have BB :)
Mel- Hope the next 10 go smoothly :)
Rae - Don't give up honey my Acupuncturist and Chinese Herbalist has done wonders for DH & I when we were told there was nothing the doctors could do. So definately look intp it!
Missy- I hope AF is still staying away and not giving you any hassles! Fingers crossed hun+
Carla - Good luck with your FET :)
Blackduckies - Hope you had a ball in Melb!!
Mon - Hope you can squuze the cycle in before the clinic shuts down for xmas.
Melsta - Hope you got good news at the FS this morning
Big Hi to everyone i missed it is super busy in here at the moment :)
Well day 3 1/2 on the provera and feeling like crap! Very cranky and moody and poor DH is dcuking a little.. luckily for him i am off to syd next week for a work conference all week so he can get some peace. So i will me MIA for a little while with syd next week and then the family coming up to visit next weekend for my birthday, how on earth i am going to fit another 3 couples in my house i have no idea... and i thought birthdays were meant to be relaxing :) Have a great week ladies
Jacqui, glad you found your way here. Welcome. :)
Morning Everyone,
Man what another nice day here in Sydney - well out west the sun is shining big time, madly trying to get all my washing done !!
Miss C - my AF was the same all over the place and even now halfway through my FSH I still spot and carry on .. it is scary hun as you think it is not meant to happen but all I kept doing was telling my DH everything and also rining my clinic. I asked them if AF was meant to stop before FSH started and she said no, that they need to get rid of the old lining and wait for the new one on FSH to build up .. it is so hard emotionally and physically hun so I know exactly where you are up to, but if in doubt just call your FS or nurses and ask them, or I found I emailed alot as I could get how I was feeling down better in an email rather than trying to remain calm and no tears whilst on the phone to them .... GL hun
Rae - I have also heard that there is one of the best acupuncturist in Chatswood, I know its a bit out of the way and all but the recommendations and stories of it working I have heard from that clinic have been so amazing. I wanted to go there with my DH purely for their reputation but I am near Camden, so distance didnt allow it ... Hopefully you find a good one and just ask heaps of questions !!!
Mon - oh good luck hun I hope it all works out for you naturally and you dont have to worry about the cycle lots of :crossfingers: for you hun ....
Missy - oh man hun how hard it must be trying to stay calm while all that is happening - man I feel for you and hope that there is no AF and that this is the dream result .....
blackduckies - how was your night out !?!? Hope you had a grand time :D
Mel1977 - hey hun how are the side effects going today? Good luck for the next 10 ....
Dusty - how are you going hun ....
Carla - good luck hun ... hope everything goes well for you !!!
Shannon - wow you have a busy week on, is your conference in the CBD? At least you will have plenty of ppl to help celebrate your birthday even if you are stepping over ppl everywhere in your house :lol: is your birthday sat or sun ? I am sure your DH understands what you are going through hun, i think it can be hard for them to keep up which mood we are at and when and for how long it will last, but i just keep making sure i tell my DH how i am feeling and why even on a sms from work just so he knows ....
Well .......... we went and had my b/t yesterday and was sooo nervous waiting for the call about my levels ... but it turns out my levels have increased from "100" on the first b/t on thursday to "475" from yesterdays so a BIG jump and they are quite happy, so it turns out the extra 25iu every day from thursday has made a big difference. We know have another b/t scheduled for monday am and also an u/s as well ... i dont know why the u/s is soo important to me but for me it is like the stage where i know the end is near and everything is coming together so I am happy that we get that done tomorrow morning - thank goodness !!!
The headaches are actually from the Lucrin and not the Puregon like we initially thought. Last night DH and I were meant to go out for dinner but when we got home from my SIL's place, headache just worsened and developed so bad I was :cry: to my DH over dinner at home it was that bad ... anyways cold facecloths on the back of my neck and forehead and I swear this headache lasted 5 hours .... ugh these side effects are not fun ... but feeling ok today just cannot wait to get off this Lucrin my body really doesnt like it anymore :lol: .. and then I felt like an idiot crying over a headache but hey we have no control over our emotions during this so then I was like dont be too hard on yourself lol and was ok ... well the tears subsided lol .... the headache pounded lol ....
Hope you are all having a good weekend !!! BBL ......
Melsta xo
PS - sorry for the BIG L O N G post
Miss c - I did my 1st stim cycle a couple of months ago and I was on the phone alot cause like you I dont think the clinic really prepared for how it would be. Including not really understanding 100% what I was doing so when I didnt feel much or thought I felt too much I kept thinking something was wrong or not working. But in the end the cycle had a good result. If you need to just ring, I always found them to be nice when I would ring and it always put my mind at ease (at least for 5 mins anyway :rolleyes:). Best of luck for your scan tomorrow, I hope it shows everything working out the way it should.
Melsta - Poor thing on the headache, I hope it eases soon :( Good news on the jump in levels from your bt, hopefully the scan tomorrow is just as positive. With the bt's you have sit and wait and wait and wait and it drives you nuts! All the best with it, let us know how you go. Personally I look forward to the scans more because they can give you the result then and there, and also you can see what is going on.
Shannon - Ooooh birthday coming up, how exciting :D Bit squishy in the house but will be good fun. While you are away next week your DH will love it... oh for about a day, and then he will want you back quick smart ;)
I am doing ok, thanks everyone for checking up on me :) 8 days to go but feels like 80 LOL. Feeling a little negative, cant help thinking that it hasnt worked before now so why is this time different. It also seems like everything is life is going wrong at the moment, so this is sure too (and im sure the negative attitude is really helping the situation LOL). And also cant stop thinking that the FS told me originally that fresh transfer had greater chances of pg than frozen - so my fresh failed, why am I bothering now? :wall:
Hi to everyone else :)
Mel, I thought, and still think exactly the same about the chances with stim vs frozen. But whenever I feel like that I just have a poke around the site and find heaps of women who have had babies from FET. The way our FS explained it, you may have up to 40-45% chance on a stim cycle, but for every FET thereafter you increase your chances by roughly 10% (although the actual FET success figure is higher than that so can't quite get my head around it). Basically she was saying that if you have one stim transfer and 3 subsequent FETs your overall chance for a pregnancy for the whole cycle (stim and FET) would be around 70%.
Thanks Slyder - he didnt tell me anything like that, simple said fresh is higher chances... so does that mean I would have roughly a 55% chance this cycle? 50/50 isnt so bad really! It does confuse me how they work out that each FET is 10% higher than last cause I always thought that each cycle was individual and not cumulative but hey im no einstein :dunno: The other thing he (actually it was a fill in doc while he was away) said, which I have found disheartening, is that because of my age and "no medical reason" for infertility that they would expect that I would fall very early if not first cycle. I sort of wish they hadnt told me that stuff, cause it makes it hard to be positive mentally.
mel, i think the way i read slyders post was more that the fresh transfer had 40% chance, each FET 10% - so over all, when you add them together, you get a higher chance of success than on having just the fresh - i may be wrong though - i just doubt one FET would have any more chance than another...
having said that, there have been a lot of pg announcements lately from FET's - so fingers crossed for you hun! there's obviously hope out there!!
The numbers in Slyder's post are a probability thing. It's simply along the lines of the more transfers you have, the closer the probability of you not being pregnant gets to 0. It doesn't indicate much about the actual success of an individual cycle, or maybe it does but my brain just doesn't want to wrestle with the maths right now!
Anyway, I've had two FETs, and both have resulted in a pregnancy. Neither pregnancy was terribly successful, but I find a lot of hope in that regardless.
Good luck, Mel, and when I'm feeling a little less tired and a bit more mentally alert, I'll try to get back to you on the probability stuff.
BW
Thanks BG & BW - I feel so dumb with this stuff sometimes. I have to admit it makes me feel a tiny tiny bit more positive to know that both of your BFPs were from FETs BW. Maybe I should stop worrying about stats and chances and find something constructive to do... like washing :doh:
Mel, will post more later as heading out the door - I think FETs are something like 25% or a bit higher success rate. It doesn't correlate with the other figures I was giving you and as BW said the other figures are just an overall probability thing. So your chances per FET cycle are definitely greater than 10%.
sorry - haven't done and FET so was just using 10% as an example! don't shoot me!! :lol:
i guess the easy way of saying it would be - the more embies you get from a stim cycle, the more chance there is of success before the next stim cycle
whatever the chances, having an FET is giving you more chance of a pg than not having it Mel - so look at the positive aspects while you're hanging out the washing :p
Well all im at the end of my TWW. Off tomorrow for my BT. Feeling excited and scared at the same time. bb are very sore and just keep telling myself "yep im pg"
Hope you all had a great w/end
Missy, very best wishes to you for tomorrow. I hope you can rest well tonight and be ready for the best possible result tomorrow and all the energy you'll need to celebrate! What time is your blood test and how long do they usual take to get results to you? I'll be thinking of you then. :hug:
BG, wasn't correcting you - just clarifying my own comments from the last page and was in a rush as well so wasn't being very clear! TBH I'm not fully up with the statistics our FS was quoting as we didn't discuss them in detail - but I do know she said FETs have a 30% success rate per try or something close to that. Now that I am thinking about it, I can see how the other stat works on an overall full cycle basis but I'm not eloquent enough or smart enough at maths to get the words down on screen.
Mel, rest assured that heaps of people get success from FET cycles and just the fact that you are getting embies to freeze is a very good sign in itself. Don't worry about the stats, sometimes too much info is too much info.
all good slyder!
i try and ignore the stats myself - easier to go into every cycle with hope, than to be thinking about probability of success...
Missy - good luck for tomorrow. Be sure to let us know how you went - I'm dying to hear all about it!
Well, I started my Gonal F injections tonight. I was so nervous when I was trying to get the pen all primed and then when I went to give it to myself the first time, I couldn't do it! But then I steadied my nerves and managed to get it in. I hardly felt it! But now I'm worried that I didn't do it right and it won't work :confused: b Oh well, just have to do it the way I was shown and hope for the best.
Hope everyone has had a lovely weekend!
Vicki
My Colleague announced her BFP to me after her 1st FET! Hang on to the hope!
Mel, BG, BW. Miss C and every 1 else on stims, hope it hasnt made your weekends so taxing.
Dusty dear, hope those little embies are snuggling in really tight!
Missy hun, I am praying like made for a BFP for you tomorrow! I have a very very strong vibe! Its a BFP! Cant wait to hear the confirmation! I hope the 2WW has flown quickly!!
To every1 else I have missed! Wishing you lots of GL and sending positive baby vibes to all!
Well I've finally O'd, and tomorrow back to the clinic for BT, so guess I will be straight onto the spray on Tues ... so here we go! Anyway hope you all had a fantastic weekend!
Mon :)
I think something that's relevant that I seem to have latched on to from my FS / documents I was given at the beginning of IVF is that: On average, 1 IVF cycle (including the stim cycle and any further FET cycles that arise as a consequence) have a much higher chance of producing a full-term baby than the average of the 'normal' population in one natural cycle. I don't remember figures so well in this situation, as I've read so many recently, so even without knowing the figures I take a lot of heart from that fact - we all have (of course on average) a far greater chance of conceiving than even the healthiest and most normal of couples out there without fertility issues! It's a very positive thing to focus on!
Shannon, Melsta, Mel1977 Thanks for your responses about how it felt in your first cycle. I'm feeling very lucky to have so many resources to help deal with the stress and the scariness of the brand new element of it all. BB is huge in that role, and I'm very grateful (Thanks Shannon for reminding me of that) I'm also getting used to knowing that my clinic is there and will be there for me through the whole process, whatever is going on, whether it is the "norm" or not. In essence, my respect continues to grow for you ladies (and gents, DH's and all) and how I see you all managing the various issues that come up in cycles. Without meaning to sound glib or anything, but it's humbling, and helps me put things in perspective all the time. You guys rock :D
Scan for me in the morning - looking forward to knowing a little more.
Looking forward to hearing how everyone's weekend has been.
Miss C
I have been lurking the last few days. Best of luck to all of you on stims.
Rae, welcome(back) hun. i hope you dont have to be here too long and are onto the pg threads before you know it!
Mons - yay for Tuesday.
miss_c - i hope you are doing ok hun. such a lot on for you ATM. best of luck with your ILs arriving and hope you are doing ok with the stims. and yes, i felt like a guinea pig on my first cycle. they just need to get to know how you respond as everyone is so different.
mel, you have a good chance with your FET. there have been BFPs with a FET in here not so long ago and look at mon's friend. hang in there hun. you are doing the best you can.
vicki, way to go girl! you will be a pro in a day or so.
melsta, oh hun i am sorry the lucrin is doing that to your head. i hope you are feeling better now.
pam, hope you had fun injecting while away! when is your BT?
carla, nice to see you hun. best of luck for your FET. i hope you are feeling ok.
BG, BW i hope the stims are going well.
TL, hugs to you sweetie. well done on the appointment.
MM, i am sooooo fidgety waiting for your results tomorrow. sending you loads of hugs and positive vibes. :hug:
shannon, best of luck with all those people and work hun.
jacqui are you in here? i haven't seen your post but saw sushee's welcome. come on in hun and join us if you like.
smithy, slyder, hi to you both too. you are such great supporters of us all.
not much happening with me. DH reckons BOB is doing great. i would of course love a sign but realise we have done our best and must just wait. i wondered today whether my nipples were darker but i think i was hoping to see things. BT still a few days away. am considering getting an earlier one on the friday as am so busy on the saturday with the election.
miss_c good luck with your scan tomorrow!
Good luck for tomorrow, Missy. I'm in for another blood test myself. Yep, consecutive days, just thankful one of them was a weekend so not too bad yet. Things are looking a little hairy for me with hyperstimulating again. Scared, but trying to focus on the positives...
And now for BW's mini-maths lesson in probability...
The stats I've read have a blast transfer in a woman under the age of 35 having a 42% success rate. It's a different (lower) figure for 3-day transfers, but I don't have the number on hand. This also means that there's a 58% chance of not being pregnant after any one cycle. Same stats per cycle and it can start to look fairly discouraging. However, when you start to look at what happens to the probabilities over multiple cycles...
The probability of you not being pregnant after two cycles of blast transfers becomes 0.58x0.58 = 0.34. Because probabilities have to add up to one, and there's only two options (pregnant ant not pregnant), this means that there's a 66% chance of you being pregnant after two cycles.
Add in a third cycle, and you're now up to an 80% chance of being pregnant. Subsequent cycles become 88%, 93%, 96%, 98%, 99%. Unfortunately, it never does actually get to 100%, but it does get closer and closer.
Just to put things in perspective a little... I believe that a normal couple with no fertility issues trying naturally has a 20% chance of conceiving each cycle. This means an 80% chance of not conceiving. While it took a couple doing IVF with blast transfers 8 cycles to reach 99%, it takes the normal, fertile couple 20 cycles before they get above that 99%.
The other nasty thing with probability... and it's best explained by a simple example of tossing a coin. The chance of it landing heads is always 50%. It can land tails 10 times in a row (unlikely, but possible!), but the chance of that coin landing heads in the next toss is still 50%. It's the kind of trick question that gets kids doing exams all the time.
In summary - the more cycles you do, the better your overall chance of being pregnant becomes. However, the chance for each individual cycle itself is still the same. It's just the more times you toss the coin, the more chances you have that it will actually one day land heads. It just happens that the coin we're given is unfairly weighted...
Does that all make sense? I don't have individual stats for fresh and frozen transfers, but I can help with the maths if someone can come up with the numbers.
Here ends the lesson in probability...
BW
Mel, that is the point I was trying to make. For each FET you do, you increase your chances for the cycle (cycle being stim ET and FET/s). But the actual chance per FET is something in the order of 30%. In the end, stats are great but Disraeli also said they were crap. All you can do is keep rolling the dice and waiting for the 6 :):
In summary - the more cycles you do, the better your overall chance of being pregnant becomes. However, the chance for each individual cycle itself is still the same. It's just the more times you toss the coin, the more chances you have that it will actually one day land heads.
Have to agree with you completely, Slyder. Or is that agree with Disraeli? Statistics (which are completely different to probabilities! Don't get me started on "average"!) can be misused and abused and made to say whatever you want them to say.
There's not a lot of comfort in understanding the mathematics behind it. Sometimes I take refuge in the maths to escape the emotions attached to it all... not always successfully, though! The best way to look at it is just keep trying. Even without the probability aspect to it, each time you cycle, your doctor learns more about you and your response to the drugs, and can hopefully improve your response and your chances next time. If you stop trying altogether, your chance of getting pregnant very, very rapidly approaches zero.
BW
Morning All,
Wow all that probability and percentages talk takes me back to school days - math was something I was never really good at ...
Well a quick one from me as I am super busy at work ... I had my 1st scan this morning and I have 10 follies on my R and 15 follies on my left, so the lady at the ultrasound so atm they are all between 12mm and 13mm (I guess mm?) and that pick up is normally between 18mm and 20mm depending so at the moment things are looking good - I think I have about 3-4 on each side that are actually a large size at the moment so I am pretty happy this morning ...
I guess the u/s for me was the proof in the pudding that things are actually working and on track ....
Missy - good luck for your b/t today hun !!! Hope it all goes well for you ...
BW - hope you are ok and dont end up with OHSS again hun - hope that it stays away for you !!
Miss C - good luck with your scan today .. hope it brings good news !!
Dusty - glad to hear BOB is going well !!!
Hi to everyone else as well .. sorry for the rushed post but I am really busy today - lots of meetings and functions over the next 2 days to organise and run !!
Have a great Monday and I will try and update on the actual news from our FS later on in the day ...
Bye for now ..
Melsta
xo
Anyway have heaps of meeting and a busy 2 days ahead .,
Thanks so much for the welcome. It is a blessing to have so many around me that know what I am going through, to have the support and understanding is so special. This IVF rollercoaster is fairly daunting and some days all I want to do is scream. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do to see where everyone is up to.
My BFN has crushed me more so this time I really thought this cycle may have been it, I am always skeptical though of a 4 cell 3 day transfer, silly I know but then again I have had them go to blastocyst as well and nothing has happened. I hope to chat to my RE today and see where we go from here, I feel I am getting older and time is running out.
Have a great day everyone!
Good luck Missy!
Scuse my MIA, I had a birthday! Things have been slowly getting back to normal. Still a while til the end of the 2ww. just plodding..
Hope everyone is doing ok xx
Hi everyone, firstly missy can't wait for the BFP anoucement, hope things went well. Huggsss!!!
Melsta, good on you after that rough start things look fantastic and you sound on a high.
miss c, I am still having light spotting and feel like Af is going to arrive for the first couple of days I could feel my ovaries but since then just this heavy crampy feeling. I am feeling a little freaked and have to wait till Friday for US. Fingers crossed.
Mell: Hugs!!!!!!
Rae, hi. I hope things work out OK for you, it's your body and if you feel you need to keep trying I think your FS should give you the opportunity if not maybe a change is in order????
Shannon, TA!!! Fantastic night, love how I feel afterwards.
Dusty, got a nice bruise, trying to inject secretly, hope all is well with you. Hugs.
Hi to everyone else, try for more personals later.
I'm having a really bad day with everything today. Very sorry, everyone, but I don't think I'm up for writing personals. Thinking of everyone, though.
Update: I had my scan this morning, I am responding quite slowly to the stims, probably in part because of AF (doctors confirmed that the bleeding was AF). 8 follies that are 10-11mm overall. I have to have another scan on Thurs and maybe up the dose then, and EPU looks likely for next week now. Much stronger possibility that things will kick into the time that I'm meant to be going to Tassie with DF and his family, who arrive the day of my next scan. Biggest positive is that due to my ovaries responding quite slowly my lining will have a chance to catch up after late AF, reducing the chance of not being able to have ET because of thin lining. This is a good thing. Focusing on that.
Hope you're all well and feeling ok today.
Miss C
Miss C
Ohh sweet I remeber the first cycle seems like you are being stuffed around. They will get it right and do what is right. Your body is reacting the best way it can to cope with the new things being introduced. So stay postive hanging in there and watch your babies to be grow. I don't know if your clinic does I used to like to watch the scan and get excited about the changes that worked for me. Sprinkling some :bluedust: your way
Miss C, it's hard when things don't go as we expect them too, but your follie size sounds healthy and good and there will be plenty of scope for them adjust your med dosage to make small adjustments as required.
Above all, you're paying them the big bucks to worry about the technicalities. Just do your best to control what you can - your thoughts and attitude towards the whole process. If you can keep these things in check then you've got the battle half won, and more often than not the boffins can sort out the other side of things. Remember, there are no rules in this game so you have to go with the flow.
miss c, sorry about the Tassie trip!!! Great you get another scan to check that things are going the way they should. I have my first scan on Friday day 9 of injections so if things are'nt going well for me there is'nt really a back up plan, I am starting to feel a bit stressed about it. EPU is the following Monday-Wednesday. I am very envious that lots of you get these extra scans, with this local clinic set up 1 is the norm 2 under exceptional circumstances?????
Hi all
Well im feeling wonderful and got my long awaited :bfp: I so hope you all get yours soon too. My levels were 767 so that is great. Having u/s monday. Im 5 weeks. YAY
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Told you I had a feeling :)
congratulations missy
:dance:yay congrats missy:dance:
Well done, Missy :D
Oh Missy that is fantastic! :hug:
let the :bfp: role!!
Fantastic news really happy and can't wait to hear if it's 1 or 2.
Go Missy Go Missy Go Missy!!!!!
Oh thanks so much ladies and man...lol. aarrggg duckie hmmmm now im getting scared about 2. Been thinking about it...lol. Oh but it would be lovely wouldnt it. Hope your all well.