Carla - if you're five days pre-BT is it possible that you're still in the widow for the bleed to be a combo of crinone and implantation bleed? from what i've read, implantation can occur anywhere up to 12 days after O, so it's still a possibility

if your bleeding isn't heavy or normal for AF, i'd still hold out a little hope for the BT - there is still a chance it might be good news

thanks for all your comments re the counselling - Holly - i totally agree - apart from going through the EPU/fertilisation outside the body thing, i've done everything (and possibly more) a standard IVF cycle would involve - physically and emotionally we've done the whole thing - i was surprised we didn't have to do the counselling for the initial IUI and once we'd been through all of that, i can't see much point in going, but if that is what it takes, then we'll get through it (plus i get retail therapy when we go to Melbourne, so that's a plus!). guess it just bugs me that we have to do a 400k trip instead of 200k, and they can't even give me details of when they're likely to squeeze us in. ah well, such is life - what fun would it be if it all went smoothly for all of us all of the time??

Rols - your explanations of the male side of things is always so very helpful - DH has ok swimmers, though the quality and quantity vary from sample to sample depending on what work he's been doing in the couple of weeks before, and he's felt down about things a few times when they've been borderline dodgy - have read him a number of your posts at different times and he's appreciated hearing things from another guy, rather than just me! so thanks for taking the time to help

arielle - your BT is going to be fine hun - if you managed to get five bfp's on three brands...