LT TTC after Miscarriage or Loss #6

Well, the line is no darker this morning and the bleeding is heavier so I think my GP is right that this is a miscarriage.

sorry to hear that indias mum-:hug: I hope you can take something positive away from this, i know its hard xxx

Minniemouse ~ GL with the B'ding hun and hope you get a BFP! I think its definitely just my body still sorting itself after last IVF - my cycles are usually like this for a good couple or few months after. And today I have bad hormone migraine so think she will finally be here very soon. I O'd ages ago around New Yrs Eve.

India's mum ~ Very sorry to hear hun, :hug: I know it sucks so much all the hope you have and then the ups and downs - feeling for you. On a positive note at least you know it can happen and one day very soon your lil miracle will stick!

Luna ~ thank you. I am very lucky to have such a good patient LOL. I had a bit of a meltdown last night - I think he is better at handling it all than I do.
I truly hope this Valentines day will be one to remember for you! All the best

MM ~ thanks heaps xo. All the best for your transfer - hope this is the one for you!! When will your transfer be?

Saffy ~ hope you're well. Have fun B'Ding.

Sorry to anyone Ive missed. :stickyvibesgirl::bluedust: for you all!

Happy Australia Day!!

India's mum - So sorry to hear that. Are you still going to get your BT done on Thursday?

I had my scan today to test for ovulation, and it did not go well. Looks like for the second cycle in the row since the ectopic I am ovulating on the side of the ectopic. Which means that my other ovary is probably not active. The doctor told me not to TTC this cycle, because although the HSG showed that the tube is open, it may be still damaged and there is a risk of another ectopic. And then he suggested Clomid to stimulate the lazy ovary. This is very confusing to me, becasue won't it stimulate BOTH of the ovaries? Will I not have a chance of the ectopic every cycle then? When I ask him that he said that my chances of good pregnancy are higher than the chances of ectopic, so now I lost all trust in him. If there is a chance I will have good pregnancy on the side of my "bad" tube, then why do I need clomid, and why cannot I TTC this cycle??? None of it makes any sense to me. Do you know if you ovulate from both sides if you take Clomid?
I do not know what to do, I think I will ovulate today, so I do not have much time to decide. Part of me wants to just TTC, and whatever happens happens. And if I get another ectopic, then I will tell them to remove the tube so I never again have to worry about it. And part of me wants to just quit.

Luna- what a dilemma, I have no idea, hopefully someone is reading who can help you, or you could try posting on the TTC using clomid thread , someone there might have been in the same situation. Its probably just worth a try ttc today, all that time waiting for nothing otherwise, if you get a bfp just tell the doctor it was an accident lol. Hope it works out for you hun ( and you get a nice valentines surprise )xx ps the transfer is timed for the amount of days after you O, that your embryo is ie a 5day embryo- you get transferred 5 days after O is detected- does that make sense??

Loops-have you ever taken a drug to get AF to start? ( I think its called primulot), a gynae I used to work for would prescribe it if AF was taking ages to come. I couldn't be patient like you with such long cycles- so frustrating

matthewsmum- I will talk to my acupuncturist next week when I see her about what to do, sounds like a good idea though. When do you start BTs?

Indiasmum- how are you today? hope you are feeling alright hunny xx

minniemouse-have you O'd yet?

AFM- +OPK for me this morning- :dance: so going in for my blood test ( and pay my money :cry:), I'm predicting transfer next wed or thurs at this stage, DH is excited cos he gets another 4 day week.

morning all ,india's mum-sorry...luna-as far as i know ,clomid helps with 'o',but you still only 'o' from one ovary a cycle.,alternate sides each cycle...can you feel what side your 'o'ing from usually?if it's the side where the etopic wasn't,you would think that that was a lower risk to that occuring again...thinking of you all...afm-had my 1st bt to track 'o',today

Matthewsmum- how did you go with your BT? I got a 'surge' so my transfer is booked in for next Wednesday- now I've got to pray my one embryo makes it. Hope your BT gives you a good result and you can transfer soon xx

Luna: my understanding of ovulation is you don't necessarily ovulate alternate sides each month, sometimes it can be twice from one side and then the other side the next (anyone correct me if i am wrong), maybe you have just been unlucky these last 2 cycles. having said that there is probably no harm taking clomid and seeing what happens, if you are still having scans during the cycle you will still know which side you are going to ovulate from. can i ask a really stupid question....if the tube looks fine why can't you ttc from that "bad" side ?

saffy: yay on the positive opt, r u just having one embie thawed ?

matthewsmum: i hope your blood test shows things are good

india'smum: so sorry it looks like you are having another loss, how is the bleeding ?

crafty: has af show up or have you poas ?

afm: still negative opt's here, it seemed to be darker a few days ago, it seems to do this, gets darker (but not positive) then goes away again a bit and then a week later happens again so im wondering if the egg isn't that great when its finally released, i'll be happy to see the specialist and see if i can do some ultrasounds through the cycle to see whats happening

minniemouse-hope the ultrasounds shed some light...saffy-how exciting for you,what cycle day are you on?i should hear in the morning what my levels were like,but i usually 'o' late.,so i'm expecting another bt either tomorrow or next day.i worry about the thawing process as well,fingers crossed...luna-once again different bodies experience 'o' differently,sorry if my previous post was misleading...

Hi ladies

Indiasmum so sorry your bleeding heavier hope it still turns out ok for you but if not then be kind to yourself thinking of you !
Saffy yay for good bt results FX for next week and BFP soon !
Matthewsmum you too thinking of you its time your got your BFP !
Luna hope your bfp is just around the corner
minniemouse thanks for thinking of me FX for your too !

afm well still no nothing no loss since sunday when I had a tiny amount on a tissue but have not poas yet as have no preg symptoms and I have done this before to start af 2wks later so will hang on and see whats going on its possible I am missing af as I am nearly 46 now ! ( too scared to test as I hate to see 1 line and I promised myself I would not do that again until I was more sure ) still having light cramping but looseing nothing atm !:shakehead: no idea whats going on

Saffy: FX your little frostie is a goodie and transfer goes well. Thinking of you.
India's mum: It's so hard to ride that rollercoaster of hope and disappointment. So sorry you've had bleeding with this BFP.
Mathewsmum: I hope this cycle is a success for you. WIll have everything crossed for you.
Loops: Hope your DH is mending fast and you get back on track with your cycle soon. Must be very frustrating to wait it out for AF to show.
Crafty: you are a patient woman! It's so hard to wait and wonder what's going on with your body and to resist the call of the little POAS.
Minniemouse: sounds confusing. Does clomid affect the OPK's?
Luna: Very hard not to TTC when you are keen to get on with it. That does sound very confusing advice. Wish i could help but i don't understand how these things work.

Thinking of you all and hoping you get good news soon.

India's mum - did you go to the doctor today? What's the news?

Craftymummy - oh, this is nerve wrecking! I do not thik I would be able to resist testing. How long are you going to wait?

Matthew's mum - fingers crossed for the frostie!

Minniemouse - that is very odd with the opts. I would ask for some blood work or the ultrasound to see what is going on with the ovulation. Are you still taking clomid? I wonder if clomid can have something to do with it. As for why they do not advise TTC even if the tube is open - the little cilia that move the egg along may be damaged. So the tube may be opened, but there is nothing to move the egg along. The sperms can get to the egg, but the egg is not pushed down to the uterus = another ectopic. I kind of wonder then what is the point of preserving the tube, you know? Sounds I would have been better of if they removed it.

Thank you girls for your input on the ovulation. I thought about it some more, and I agree with you, two in a row from the same side means nothing. I also remember that in the cycle before I felt it on the good side. I do not really need monitoring, I can very distinctly feel when I ovulate and from which side. But I risked it last night, we will see what happens. So I guess I am in TWW now, but not really very excited about it because of the looming ectopic threat.

Luna- although there is a risk of another ectopic there is also a risk of it being fine! So I hope you caught the egg and its all ok.

Hi possummagic- nice to see you, thanks hun

Craftymummy- :crossfingers::crossfingers:, I know what its like to get your hopes up with spotting then to be disappointed, it happens to me all the time, I really hope you are brewing a sticky one mate and it was implantation, the cramping sounds positive xx

matthewsmum- hope your results are good today

minniemouse- that sounds strange about the opks, do you get EWCM? How long have you been doing clomid?

Loops- has AF come yet? I hope so!

Indias'mum- Are you OK? Did you have a blood test? xx hugs for you

AFM- had to force Dh and myself to BD last night, its so demoralising.

Nothing really much to tell. I did have a blood test yesterday but I don't get the results till Monday and even then it's only positive or neg, I have to wait till Tuesday to see what the level is (you can only speak to my doctor on Tues or Weds and it takes a MONTH to get an actual appointment). I'm still bleeding and it's bright red blood but it's playing games. It stops for a few hours then starts again. There are no clots, it's like red water and it would take 2 days to fill a pad like this. I feel like a dripping tap. I stopped testing as I got tired of seeing such a pale line. So who knows what the hell is going on. I thought yesterday it might be ectopic as I had a lot of stitch type pain in my left side but they too are gone. Periodically I get really bad cramps but they don't alter the slow blood flow and usually stop soon enough. I'm certain it's still a miscarriage but a very slow one.

hi everyone,

craftymum: still have my fingers crossed for you

india's mum: how awful for you to be in such limbo, i hope you get some answers soon

possum magic: clomid shouldn't affect opt's i don't think, i think it is more likely my pcos that stuffs me up

Luna: i see what you mean about the egg not being able to move along properly, frustrating for you though, as you said if it isn't any good is it worth having ?!

saffy: im with you on the forced dtd, we "should" have done it last night but i just couldn't make myself, today i have lots of ewcm and my cervix is feeling "fertile" so i'll have to just do it tonight, still negative opt's though, day 18 ggrrr. this is my 4th month of clomid (i feel pregnant with my kids first cycle on it both times - my 3 miscarriages were from "natural pregnancies"). i hope your forced bding has a good outcome, i take it you can end up with 2 babies if you fell pregnant naturally now and your embie sticks ?

mm- yeah theoretically but I won't be holding my breath on that one lol. Can you get your dose upped? I wasted 3 months on 50mg, should have had a bigger dose xx

Saffy: i could probably try a higher dose but im not sure my specialist will even give me anymore clomid (seeing him next friday), think he would want to move onto something more.
a friend who works in an ivf clinic came over today so i got to pick her brain about what she thinks i should be doing and what options i have so that was interesting


matthewsmum: how were your blood test results ?

Hi all

Indias mum sorry your in such limbo atm but just maybe there is good news for you I remember mildez had probs when she got her bfp and she is fine now
saffy everything crossed for you next week how many frosties do you have ? will be thinking of you next week
possum nice to see your name hope all is well
matthewsmum not long now this is a good month I can feel it.
minnie mouse think positive you will get there in the end
everyone else good luck to us all this next cycle !

afm well still no loss no cramps no nothing and felt really sick today but still not tested yet I have no other symptoms and I am convinced AF will rock up next week as she has before and still have not purchased hpts either so I can't test ! feels good to do this and not be obsessed with testing ! weird hey !

Fingers crossed for you crafty.

I think it's all sounding very exciting crafty.

I felt really dizzy today so combined with the pain on my left hand side and continued bleeding I convinced myself it must be ectopic and went to the ER. The were able to get the test results from yesterdays blood test and it was 29. They did one to compare it to and it was 69 so, while very low, it is increasing. So for the moment I am pregnant. I would be four weeks and five days (but as I ovulate so late you could almost take a week off that). They did a scan to check my ovaries and couldn't see any sign of an ectopic pregnancy. I have an appointment at their early pregnancy clinic for Monday for some follow up work to see if things are still rising.

India's Mum - watch this one closely! I did not want to mention the ectopic, because I did not want to scare you, but since you did... My experience was exactly the same, slow dripping, no clots, not much pain, kind of dizzy. Had 2 scans and two doctors were telling me it is a miscarriage. The problem is, with hcg this low, they really cannot see anything anywhere. However, one big difference in your situation is, your hcg DID double in 1 day. That is a good sign, mine was only going up about 50% every 2 days. We all know some women experience bleeding in early pregnancy around when the period should show up, let's hope this is the case and bub is OK. But I would insist on blood works and a scan as early as possible. They say at 2000 something should be visible.

Thanks Luna. I did remember your story and it was one of the reasons I was concerned enough to go to the ER. I am having more blood taken on Monday and a scan when my levels hit 1000 (or earlier if they have concern). The bleeding has now almost stopped and I feel queasy most of the time so I'm hoping Monday brings good news.

hi everyone-india's mum-must be nerve -wrecking for you,all the best for monday...afm-blood tests are showing that my levels are really low,had acupuncture today to try to lift them,due to have another blood test on Mon..

Hi all
indiasmum fx for a good end for you hope your blood test keep doubling and the bleeding stays away !
Matthewsmum can they give you something to increase your levels ?
Thanks ferrals for your wishes so wish I could have joined you on the paml thread !


afm :crying: well got a test a first response and well BFN so nothing suprising there then !
I so wish I had not given in and tested but I just needed to know as it was kind of driving me crazy all these phantom symptoms ! so no idea if I am day 7 of a new cycle or day 37 of my old one go figure ! really do feel this is the end of the line for me ! :wall:

craftymummy-sorry it was a bfn,our bodies are cruel with symtoms sometimes...they'll put me on hormone replacement tablets for next cycle if this one has to be cancelled..

crafty: sorry to hear you got a bfn, matthewsmum is right, our bodies play cruel tricks on us sometimes. i think i remember reading you did a cycle of clomid ? are you going to do anymore of it ?

matthewsmum: hope the acupuncture helps your hormone levels

saffy: how are you feeling ? did you have a few goes of bding ?

afm: no news really, day 19 still haven't ovulated (i don't think), sore boobs now though so looks like something is happening, i think i get that a few days before ovulation so here's hoping i get an positive opt in the next day or so

Crafty - Really sorry to hear you had a BFN, I was sure it would go the other way. Are you sure about your ovulation times? Since I got older I ovulate much later than I used to. Whereas it was around that day 14 to 18 when I was 40 now it's around day 21 to 23. That's why we BD so long, to make sure we cover any possible ovulation.

Hi Ladies
I am sorry I am so long between posts - we are at the busiest time of year for my job plus with DH's injuries its real hard to get on here and stay up-to-date with everyone.

India's mum ~ Sorry you have to go through all the stress - wish it was a straightforward BFP for you. Will have FX'd tight your lil one sticks it out! Thinking of you.

Also FX'd for you still Matthewsmum!

Crafty ~ Very sorry it was a BFN - :hug::comfort: Hope you can have another try.

Possum magic and Saffy ~ thanks it is a bit frustrating for AF but she is here now and I know that my cycles will start to get better now.
Saffy ~ goodluck with the B'Ding - hope you catch that eggy!

All the best ladies - sorry for everyone Ive missed with persies but I'm :pray: for you all!
Take care

AFM ~ AF finally did arrive - about time!! My B'day is on the 7th and I'll be 31, really depressing as I so wanted to have kids before I was 30 :( I know I still have time but after 5yrs It really gets to you.:wall: DH is mending well - thanks for asking ladies :)

Hi girls,

Loops- yay for AF arriving, about time! Milestones in age are always hard, if only we could put our ages on hold while we are ttc! I'm sure you will be a great mummy no matter what age you are x

India'smum- good luck with your appt today, I hope they give you some good news. I wish you ( and all of us) would be given a break and be given a definate BFP with no stress attached but that obviously isn't any of our journeys!! I'm :pray: that you have a sticky bub there xx

minniemouse- only did one BD cos DH and I aren't getting along well at the moment and we both are sick of TTC sex I think. Relying on the FET this week I suppose. Glad you are seeing hte FS this week, hope you O soon too!

Crafty-:hug: so sorry sweetie for your BFN, you held off testing for a long time too! You poor darling, it is so disappointing.

Matthewsmum- good luck with BT today, I hope the acu helped and that your cycle still goes ahead.

Luna- nice of you to share your experience with india'smum, I'm sure it was very helpful. How is your TWW going??

AFM- can't believe I'm having an embryo transfer in 2 days! Its weird on a natural cycle, no meds or emotional buildup ( although Dh and I are fighting which we only do in the lead up to stressful IVF stuff). Babydust to everyone!

Saffy ~ thanks so much hun, such a nice thing to say xoxo. Same goes for you, you are a very kind person and will make a wonderful mum - we will get there in one way or another!
2 Days - woohoo, all the best. I will have F'Xd tight! :pink-babydust::bluedust:

Loops - it's so hard to have several birthdays go by when you are trying to conceive. It really makes you notice the amount of time you have been trying. I will be 45 on the 2nd.

Saffy - It would be weird not to go through the entire process for the ET. Sorry to hear you and DH are not getting along. DH and I are ok but sometimes I think "if we never had sex again, I don't think I would care". I'm longing to go back to that time when I actually looked forward to going to bed with him.

Well my HCG is now 280 so I think that is doubling ok. It's still a very early pregnancy though. By dates I should be 5 weeks but I think I will go back a week as I'm sure I ovulated late so I'm calling myself 4 weeks pregnant. I have to go back for another blood test in a week and if it's over 1000 then they will just organise a 6 week scan to see if it's viable. Fingers crossed.

India's mum ~ thank you. Yeh exactly, you do notice your age when trying to conceive - it sucks.
Exciting stuff, :happyforyou: Will have FX'd tight and sending you loads of :stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy:

India's mum -:happyforyou: Can't wait for your first scan.

Craftymummy - sorry for the BFN. It's just a cruel world, to get your hopes up like that and then BFN. I feel crushed for you.

Saffy - :crossfingers: for the little embie snuggling in tight. How many embies are you getting transferred?

Matthews mum - how did the blood test go?

hi girls,

india's mum: great to hear your numbers are increasing, fingers crossed for you this are smooth from here for you

saffy: is your transfer today or tomorrow, good luck for whichever day it is


loops: good af arrived, i hope things turn around for you (& dh) soon, hang in there

luna: how are things going with you ? did you make any decisions regarding the clomid ? hopefully you don't need it after this cycle



matthewsmum: have you had another blood test ?


afm: i finally got a positive opt today, day 22 mind you, sssooo frustrating to have to wait so long for it to happen

hi all ,minniemouse-good news ,best of luck catching it now...india's mum-sounding good..luna-how are you?..craftymummy-did af arrive?...saffy-all the best for tomorrow!!!afm-blood tests are still showing that my estrogen level is too low so having another blood test tomorrow...

off to melbourne for my embryo transfer- nervous!! Thanks matthewsmum- hope you get there soon xx

Minniemouse - I believe I ovulated around Day 21 this time. I can never get a positive OPT though. Good luck honey.

Saffy - everything is crossed for you. I will be thinking of you today.

indiasmum: thanks, that makes me feel better hearing that !

saffy: how did you go today ?


:bluedust::pink-babydust: to everyone

Hi girls,
transfer went well yesterday, now resting up! I hope it works but I'm not feeling very optimistic.
Called in sick for today cos the kind nurse gave me a certificate for today- yay!
I'm going to try nad take annual leave next week if I can get it at short notice, as I want to avoid doing nightshift next week.

Hi to everyone and hope your bub is sticking tight india'smum xx

Hi Saffy - Glad to hear it went well. I'm very much looking forward to you and I going to the PAML thread together and sharing our journey. I understand about not feeling optimistic but hey, we wouldn't put ourselves through this unless there was a chance, would we?

Crafty - how are you doing honey? Did AF show up yet?