LTTTC after Miscarriage and Loss

Ferrals I am going through IVF Australia at Castlehill in Sydney. We are planning on having 2 stim cycles and if we are not successful having a live baby then we will probably take a year off then try Westmead fertility centre because it is alot cheaper. We can only afford 2stim cycles at the moment and I imagine we will need to save up for anymore down the track. Seems so ridiculous that it should be free well it is for 99% of the population.
I thought I would edn up in ED but my pain has eased but now it feels like I am bruised. I think maybe it was kidney stones or else an ovary cyst. It better not be as I need that ovary. Self diagnosing hear ladies don't worry about me lol

Sunbeam - I'm liking the sound of your stars! Just after my mc I was at a friend's place for a party and she had a bowl of fortune cookies. DH and I had been talking through all my anxieties and worries about doing IVF in May and it being winter I'd probably have the flu again. I picked up a cookie and this is what it said (it's now stuck to my fridge): "When winter comes, heaven will reign success on you". I was a bit gobsmacked, and showed DH and he just smiled. It's nice to have good omens and positive feelings - I hope June is your month x

Ferrals, from memory my FSH was close to 10 (I think - might have been 8 or 9?) when I started IVF at 36. I think I recall the doc saying anything over 14 means they can't really stimulate you at all - your only going to get whatever your body is producing. At my last ultrasound my right ovary (that had the big endo cyst in it) was only a few cms and the other was still enlarged from the stimulation of the cycle where I fell pg. I think basically the right one has given up so I'm only working with one now (opposite side to my scarred tube - typical isn't it?) so my expectations are pretty low as to my egg numbers but I still managed to get grade 1 embies last time so hoping I can do that again. Problem with us seems to be they don't stick but that can also be related to quality I've been told so I dunno - pretty crap odds really but I just can't give up. Maybe my blessing will come to me in an unexpected way after all - who knows.

Hi Jahazra!

Mildez - could it be ovulation pain? I get it pretty intensely, mostly due to scarring I think but also am prone to cysts and sometimes they continue to grow after the egg is released then pop and it can be very painful and feel tender like a bruise. I hope it's just o pain for you and not a cyst but even if it is my girls have survived some major interventions due to regular and endo cysts and I'm still popping my eggs my main problem is I don't have a tube to catch them so fingers crossed all is OK with you

Hi guys. Just a quicky as I have to get up for an early shift in the morning. I don't think I'm as techno-savie as most of you. I'm slow....really slow! so just sesponding to
Ferral- several things have lead to the FS labelling my problem as early menopause. My FSH is on the higher side but not too high. My AMH result was 1.8, which means that my ovaries aren't very active...there's really very little going on it there! And thirdly, my response to IVF stimulation is pitiful!! On maximum FSH I can only rustle up an egg or two, I'm in my mid 30s for heavens sake! such a bugger!!

Alice & Sevie-Thats why i am a little unsure of what is going on with me my old FS said she does not know why my FSH is a little high as my ovaries look great they are both normal size i had at least 24 follicles and i stimulated well on 200 iu of puregon actually i stimulated to well that is why my E2 skyrocketed to 16,000 and i had to trigger a bit early so i didnt get a chance for all the smaller follicles to catch up i ended up with 8 eggs all good quality all fertilised but after day 3 they clagged it and the embrologist isnt sure if the fragmentation was due to high E2 or hubbies DNA damage from lifestye ect. we ended up with 3 blasts out of 8 one grade 2 and two grade 3.
When i went to my naturopath she said my right ovary is great pumping out eggs and my left is just plotting along and my FSH is a bit high because of stress i am a stress head so i am hoping that is the cause i am worried that when i cycle this time things will have gotten worse my FSH will be higher and my egg numbers will be low.
I have decided to give WIVF a go see what they say i dont know if i should have my AMH level checked i am scared to know.

Crafty-looks like you and i will be here a bit longer.

I hope it was O pain but I don't think so. Alice I have the same problem no tube to catch the egg. Well I have one tube left but its damaged. Not sure if it can even work as I haven't had a pregnancy since having one tube. Time will tell I guess. I think I freaked out as the pain was in my left ovary the ovary with the tube so I don't want anything to happen to that ovary. I would prefer to have the ovary on the side with the tube if I loose one as although the tube is suppose to beable to catch eggs from either ovary as my tube is stuck down it doesn't move so can't catch the egg from the right tubeless side. Never mind. I wish I would have a baby it would be so lovely to close the book on ttc I hate what it has done to me and my family and career. I have forgotton what chapter I am up to now. Although I don't mean to complain so sorry just having a rant. Over it now. CD15 tried to get a BD this morning but DH was only interested in sleep. Maybe I will have more luck tonight.

Sevie - I did an IVF group counseling session years ago and one of the women in it was 30 and she had already been through menopause and didn't know it. She got a donor egg and fell pg first go at IVF and has a lovely baby boy. I don't know whether telling you that gives you encouragement or not - it would be better to not be going through it I know and I hope that something can still work for you but if you have to go down that road then maybe you will be able to see some hope in it. I have always had low response to IVF as I had so many ops on my ovaries. Just remember that you only need one egg! Hopefully your next one will be a super good one x

Ferrals if you got 24 follies I think your ovarian reserve would be fine so no need to test. The first cycle of IVF isn't often very conclusive and women usually have different results from one cycle to the next and it sounds unclear about what caused your eggs to drop off on day 3. At least this time you and your DH have been working on lifestyle, you're both taking herbs so that should sort that out and they will probably do a different dose to slow your response down this time so you will no doubt get a clearer picture this time (it was only 1 IVF you've done wasn't it? the PGD IVF?). I can relate to being a stress-head, I was a major stress-head in my early 30s and it had a lot to do with what Mildez said about what fertility problems and illness can do to you and your family and career. I am much more calm now but it's been a long time and I've had to learn to deal with stress better. I guess you can only focus on the things you have control over and the other stuff you have to find a way of not letting it effect us so much and with TTC that's the whole damn bundle so easier said than done.

Mildez - my tube is stuck down too so there's no way it's catching any of my poor eggs so I get that you want to hang on to that ovary!! Has the pain has settled? I understand about closing the book on TTC - I was all prepared to do that last year when we got our surprise BFP and it threw everything in the air again. It's a hard path this one but we do our best because we hope that at the end of it we will have a baby to love and look after. Sorry your DH was sleepy - that used to stress me now with IVF in some ways it just removes a whole lot of other stress while giving you a different kind all of its own!

MurryCod - how are you this morning? Is it cooling down in your parts or are you still getting a bit of autumn sun? All rainy up here - gotta go feed my poor chooks, didn't even check on them yesterday.

Hi girls, still crampy as all hell and not in the highest of spirits today, might come back later for some persies, but now, just not up to it. 8dp4dt .

Hi girls,

Murrrycod - big hugs babe sorry you are so crampy.:hug:

Trea - nice to meet you, thank you for tell us the story of your huge journey. Can I ask about the NK cell test was it a bt or a biopsy like Murrycod's? I asked about it at the clinic this morning and she is going to ask my FS about getting it done.

Mildez - good luck with the BD fest hope you catch your eggie.:fertilise:

Ferrals - you poor darling what a total nightmare shift. By the end you must have just felt like the universe was just out to get you. :comfort: Sorry we're both BFN this month. You were asking about clomid and other options, I know I mentioned it before but what about IUI before IVF its way easier and cheaper?

Crafty - Sorry you got a BFN this month too.:hug:

Hi Jahzara, Alice, Stevie and Porche.

AFM- cracked up this morning. My AF is SO perfect this time (IYKWIM) and I thought it was so funny that I am actually happy because of good AF flow, this journey does still have it's funny moments :lol:

Moring everyone

Ferrals yes looks like im stuck in here for the duration ( wonder what the duration time is though ? ) 1yr 2yrs oh well mustn't give up must keep going think positive and try try again !
Luck for me AF turned up in the night so YAY for back to 29 days at least thats right now just gotta work on the egg quality and timing ! Still taking my chinese meds but wondering now If I should try Maca but do I stop the chinese stuff or take both together ??? Mmmm what to do I will be putting DH on the Maca too as its got great read up on sperm quality too !
Anyway another cycle begins at least I didn't have to wait around for AF ( on the bright side ) plus my flow is good bright red and plenty of it so thats good too I think !

Murraycod just because I got a BFN does not mean you will too we know your egg got the sperm and we know it was a Blasty when it went back in and we know your covered by antibiotics right ? So look on the bright side your nearly there only 4 more days after all these months whats another 4 days !!! be keeping everything crossed for you and when you move over to pg after mc and loss ferrals and I will be right behind you ( well a month or so but still there )

Mildez hope you pain is ok now I had that last month but 3 days before AF arived I was convinced I had ectopic or appendix but after a lie down and some codeine it went away and the next day I was fine so have no idea what it was for me but for you I do rather think maybe your egg popping or something you eaten didn't agree with you ie digestion !!! the pains are so hard to pin point at times for me anyway !
hope your DH is more awake today !!!!

Porshe looks like we gonna be here the full year before we get our BFP but as well as older we are all the more wiser I think.

( Hey what about Kick up the dust in August !!!! )

Crafty the pain is gone now thank the Lord. If it was my right side I wouldn't have cared so much but I don't want anything to go wrong with the left side so freaked me out. It was also a fraction high so maybe it was kidney pain and possible a tiny kidney stone. The pain was terrible and came and went not there all the time but gone now. And just an hr ago I got a tiny bit of definately left sided ovary pain so thats exciting as its O time now (usual O CD17 but last cycle was CD14 and now I am CD15) so that is exciting just need to get a BD in today and maybe tomorrow and the next day (yeah right Mildez)

So my appointment with the Dr is 8th July sort of seems ages away but its not really. If I get pregnant this cycle I can turn it into an AN appontment if only that would be super cool. AF is due from that date onwards so hoping to beable to start the pill when AF arrives after that date. I also made the appointment just before AF was due by a day so I can do a POAS and no its defimately a BFN. Don't want to go there to start IVF only to find out I am pregnant obviously that would be ideal for me but I'd rather no AF is coming if I am going to go start then. And I have heard so many people just about to start IVF only to find out they are just pregnant so I am feeling pretty hopeful surprisingly. Hoping I am one of those.

I advertised my horse today hoping she sells as I wont be able to ride her when I am pregnant please please let that be the case.

Hi Ladies

MarrayCod - I really hope those cramps settle down for you. Are they like a low down cramp? Like a pelvic pain type of thing?

Sunbeam - LOL I was pretty much the same as you when my AF arrived.

Ferrals - It's dissapointing isn't it? I'm amazed that we somehow get back up and try again. I mean how much more of being knocked to the ground do we have to go through? We all need to catch a break soon surely?

Mildez - I know what you mean about your appointment being so far away. All we do is wait. Wait for this, wait for that have our useless appointments and wait again. It's been 1 year 3 months 3 weeks and 3 days since we started this TTC journey. Not sure how much more I can take. I'm really not cut out for this assisted conception stuff. But we'll push on untill Dec I think and then I'll be telling DH that, that's it i've had enough.

Crafty - I guess we'll be stuck here together for a while. At least we're in good company.

FX we all get our BFP within the next 6 months.

Sunbeam - BT and biopsy. I had to fly down to Sydney for it and went to St George hospital Kogarah for BT and then into docs rooms at Bondi for biopsy. BT levels came back high but biopsy was normal.

Just some info about something else I found in an old post today - a bacteria called ureaplasma which is passed between partners with sexual contact and can affect fertility. Emailed my doc to enquire and he said I can have a cervical biopsy to check or just take a course of antibiotics with this cycle. It can't hurt so will take the antibiotic leading up to next FET.

Good luck to all your gals on this tough road - we'll all get there one day!!

Cheers Trea

Porche, the cramps have been exactly the same as if I were getting AF, but today, they are to my right side, in my groin area, but flutter over to the middle everynow and then. When I say flutter, I feel like bubbles down there if that makes any sense what so ever....doesn't to me!!:wall:
And...as for the time you have spent TTC, honey never give up hope XXX It will be worth all of this heartache, Im so sure of it X

Trea, the cervical biopsy sounds painfull, crossing my leggs just thinking about it actually!! I have had a colposcopy, which I think is the same??? When my papsmear results came up with alarm bells 10 years ago. Was nothing, but the biopsy was terrible. I'd go woth the antibiotics too!!!!

Mildez, that happened to one of my friends, she was TTC for 7 years, only to find out she was PG when she was running late to start her FSH. I was hopefull to hearing that story, but those things seem to happen to 'other' people.
Good luck with your appt in July honey, it will come around quickly, and I am so glad to hear that you are feeling better, glad you didn't have to go to ER XXXXX

Crafty, thanks for the pep talk, but I'm really not feeling that great, and I think I will still be here next month, but thats ok, I love you girls so much. I just wish that I could be an escapee one day.

Ferrals have you had to work again since the other night?? I hope you are ok, you have been my inspiration through all this, and I hate to see you hurt. I feel bad for leaning on you so much this ivf cycle, knowing you have your own problems to deal with, but , I dunno, thank you babe, I love you X

Sunbeam, you crack me up!!! Very happy to hear that you have a nice healthy flow this month, take care my honey XXXXX It won't be long untill you have porno boobs again!XXXXX

Sevie, huggs X

Sorry if I missed anyone, Alice, love you X


Am watching survivour, GO RUSSELL !!!!!!:bluecheer:

Hi Ladies

MurrayCod - I really really hope that the cramps are a really good sign that your little emby stuck. I had AF cramps like that when we got our BFP. I'm holding my breath for you.

Hope everyone has a great day. Don't work too hard.

Morning ladies,

I'm just popping in quickly to say hi - I've read all your posts, and all good here, just feeling really tired today from too many trips up and down the mountains so just going to lay low today. Hugs to you all

x

OMG Girls, I totally caved thismorning, I couldn't put up with the cramping any longer not knowing, my HPT came back a strong positive.
NOW i'm freaking out, the cramps have somewhat eased into a stitch like pinching in my right groin, im in totall shock right now!
I'm pacing up and down my kitchen, extatic and so nervouse now, I rang my clinic and they will bring my beta forward only 1 day, they told me to just take it easy untill then. They didn't seem that thrilled about it, I guess they see so many bad endings too. Now I'm freaking out.

MurryCod!!!! Oh my god! That's wonderful!!!!!!!!! The only thing to be careful about is the progesterone support. If you had injections then you are def clear by now!! If you are taking pessaries, that could influence the result. Oh lovely I'm so glad this has lifted your spirits up - you are in with such a good fighting chance with this one, it's been hard to see you so low. So exciting!!!!!! xxxxooo When is your blood test??? xxxxoo

Just read your post in the other thread - MurryCod - this sounds fantastic - like a definite positive for you!!! so happy for you you must be grinning from ear to ear!!!! CONGRATS girl! We knew you could do it!!!!! Just enjoy this moment, you don't have to do anything but be pretty damn chuffed with yourself and your DH xxxxxoooooo Yah!!!!:dance::leap::confetti::loveshower: