The place is called Morley Natural Therapy Centre.
Located at 6B wellington road, morley.
Its directly opposite the galleria.
The guys name is Chris Whiter - really nice guy you could try call
Number is 9375 3414
Good idea call around and ask, i didnt live very close to morley at the time either, but he was the only one i spoke to that seemed to know anything about them.
Good luck
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Hi jules30
I can say from experience that gallstones will have a likely hood of rearing their ugly head during pregnancy. I had never had an attack before I fell pregnant, but one horrible night I was in sooooo much pain and I didn't know what the heck was going on till I was in the emergency ward under observation on pain meds and buscopan and by the end of that most horrible night of my life I was told that it was indeed Gallstones and that they can be brought on by pregnancy.
They said that might be the only attack I ever have or it might not be. I would just have to wait and see. But that if I had more than a few that they would consider removing the G.Bladder altogether quickly after Birth. But as far as I am aware they don't remove only the stones. But like others have advised, talk to your GP first for the best possible advice. It can be a very traumatic thing to go through when you are pregnant as you are already very on edge about the pregnancy as it is without extra problems occuring. All the best to you!!!!
So cherii did you have to get yours out during pregnancy or straight after? My mum has said she recalls that sometimes they do take them out while pregnant if it is really bad. But of course that is something i would want to avoid.
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jules, if i were you i would have my gallbladder removed before starting IVF. I have personally experienced serious gallbladder problems after giving birth. I was only 21 when this all happened and i would honestly say that i would rather have the labour pains than gallstone pains, hands down! Complete and utter agony.
My doctor told me that it was probably years on the pill + pregnancy hormones that caused the attacks... they planned on taking out just the stones, but had to take out the gallbladder because it was extremely infected. I was very lucky it didnt spread to my liver. All that happened about 6 months after DS was born, so i was very lucky this happened after i had him.
NOT WORTH THE RISK! Let me tell you!
You want to have a wonderful pregancy experience, and worrying about gallstones/having attacks will take that good experience away from you. As the girls have said, any doctor that plays it down hasnt experienced an attack at close range - probably just read about it. They said that my stones werent that "big", but after they took them out they told me that they were the biggest they have seen in a woman my age. haha. Please get more than one opinion.
VERY VERY best of luck.
Last edited by Kaydee; March 17th, 2008 at 11:14 PM.
I was told I had two gallstones two weeks before I was due to give birth to my first baby. I started getting the pains around my right ribs (back to front) about one week before that
The Ob said it's common to get when pregnant due to hormone change
He said the pain will most likely go away when I give birth & it did moments after I gave birth to my daughter.
My GP said there is no need in removing them unless I start to feel discomfort or pain again, which I have not since I gave birth.
... Like you, though my situation might be different to you, ...I am unsure whether to get them out before hopefully falling pregnant soon.
I'm thinking of taking the chance & just hope if the pain re-occurs that it happens at the end of the pregnancy again & not at the beginning
So I'm not much help to you, BUT if the pains are that bad for you now (where as I some how was ok with it) ... Yeh, I would get them out !!
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Jules - I haven't had my baby yet. The OB who was looking after me the night of that attack, said that they would wait till after I gave birth to take it out and they prob wouldn't take it out unless I had a couple more attacks. It might be different with other docs or hospitals, but I don't want to have one more attack let alone a couple before they consider removing it. So I just pray I don't have another one at all let alone whilst I am still pregnant.
I would look into doing something before you fall pregnant. I just make sure I keep a box of Buscopan at home with me and I still have the pain killers they prescribed me too.
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I developed gall stones 5 weeks after having my DD. It was the worst pain I have ever experienced in my life!!! I had my gall bladder removed when DD was 8 weeks old. I then continued to have problems and had an ERCP and sphincterotomy when she was about 5 months. I've not had problems since. After I had mine out, I asked the surgeon if I would have problems if I got pregnant again as I have a friend who had her gall bladder removed 2 years before getting pregnant and she developed pancreatitis during her pregnancy which then caused problems for the baby (as well as her). I was assured that it is not the norm and I could expect a normal and healthy pregnancy.
Gall stones are very common during and post pregnancy. Having your gall stones (or gall bladder) removed does not mean you will not continue to experience the pain from time to time. Your body will continue to produce gall stones anyway (which can be just as painful at times). They will remove the stones if they are very small because they are a risk of finding their way into the pancreas which can cause inflammation and infection.
Pain felt aftera gall bladder is removed is often due to the size of the stones you pass. This can often be fixed with a proceedure called an ERCP as well as a sphincterotomy. This is a proceedure where they widen the canal the stones travel through and snip a bit on the bottom to make the opening extra wide so the stones don't get stuck there.
Having your gall bladder out is done laproscopically and it is an overnight proceedure. The surgeon makes 4 1cm incisions; 1 at your belly button (which is where the gall bladder is removed), one near the bra line and inline with your belly button, and two to one side, usually lateral to the belly button and the other is slightly higher up. Depending on which side of the patient the surgeon prefers to stand on will determine which side those other two incisions are. Post proceedure a patient can expect to have a little discomfort in the left shoulder which is a result of the gas they use to pump your belly up so they can see what they're doing. People typically experience some discomfort for a couple of days post proceedure.
HTH
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Ben, just getting back to the topic of gallstones. I haven't got in touch with Chris Whiter yet but i have been researching on the net and some people swear by the lemon juice and olive oil flush.
Im just wondering whether you actually passed the stones or if you know whether they dissolved? Sorry if that is getting too personal...
Hi jules,
sorry i dont subscribe to the threads i post in so have only just seen this now...
Not too personal at all..
Im pretty sure the stones i had dissolved. The idea of the stuff i had to drink was to break them down, however i do remember him telling me that he has better outcomes with patients with small stones - as they break down much easier.
I read about the oil flushes etc as well, the problem being they can be dangerous. If your ducts are trying to flush the stones out and they get stuck, you can be in real trouble - it can be fatal like another poster has mentioned.
I personally wouldnt go down that road.
Interestingly enough, when i first found i had them i did some research.. and apparently up to 60 - 70% of people have gallstones. Majority however never know about it!!
The larger stones arent the ones that cause big problems i dont think, as they cannot pass through the bile ducts. Its the small ones which can get inside the ducts and get stuck, or block a duct that creates the agony (or so i remember)..
Hope whatever you choose helps though!!
You could always give the guy a call... nothing to lose really
Goodluck!
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Mr Kazz
Thanks for this thread.
My wife is still in hospital a week after being admitted. She is 6 weeks pregnant tomorrow and has only eaten once in the last week. She had never had gallbladder problems until this.
When pregnant they can't use a lot of the normal drugs if you get an infection. Today we were told they are going to remove the gall bladder when she is between 3 and 6 months pregnant if they can get the infection under control and her liver functioning properly. Her condition went from there there take these pills to get yourself to the regional hospital now in under 24 hours (We live in country NSW and the local hospital is not equiped to handle a lot of things anymore) .
I would talk to your doctor as yes if the stones get stuck in the wrong place things get bad fast.
She is now being transfered to another hospital as today they confirmed that the bile duct is also blocked as well as the gall bladder.
Hi there,
I started this thread a while ago but im taking your reply as a sign and another reason i really should get it sorted out before getting pregnant.
Turned out i did go ahead with ivf and it failed on the first transfer so now before i go back to try again im going to see about treating my gallstones first. By the sounds of it pregnancy does make it worse!
I can really empathize with your wife, gallstone attacks are the worst. I am so scared of eating the wrong thing to provoke an attack and after an attack i cant eat until the pain goes away usually 24 hours+ later. I hope she gets at least some relief until the operation.
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Good luck to all those trying to deal with gallstones during PG (or get them resolved before). I had my gallstone (a 3.1cm grandaddy!) and gall bladder removed about 6 years ago (strong family history of gallstones around the age of 30). I was lucky in that i never had an attack, but given the size of the stone they were concerned that any attack would be problematic (as the size of my stone was bigger than the size of the gallbladder as meant to be). When it was removed, it turned out the gallbladder itself was inflamed & very scarred, and they suggested that it was best it had been removed (was that just to make me feel better).
Being PG now, I would suggest that it's vastly better to have it sorted beforehand. Personally I would hate the stress of attacks whilst being PG. Also, I don't know if I've been fortunate, but I've never experienced any kind of issue with eating fatty foods since the removal of the gallstones. The op, as Mother Goose explained very well, is usually laparascopic - so recovery is quite quick due to the small incisions. I had only one incision that was slightly larger due to the size of my stone.
Hope that helps, and good luck for H&H PG's.
To those of you who have had your gall bladder removed. Does it affect your digestion badly in any way? Like what about weight gain? anyone experienced that and think its due to gallbladder removal? I was thinking since it helps to digest fats does that mean your body then absorbs fats instead of removing it as waste, hence weight gain?
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