No Michelle she does not get too see any older kids going to the loo, i think that may be the problem, although i show her when i go, but it does not seem to gel with her, If kimberley was over 3 then maybe i will wait a bit longer and see how she goes in the warmer months, she starts pre-school for 1 day a week in january and they need to be fully toilet trained to attend, i guess i will just have to hope she decides to be a big girl, actually tonight the dummy fairy is visiting our house and taking her dummies and is going to take them to a friend's newborn, ( she will sleep without it) so maybe going potty won't be far behind, thanks for the advice!