Parenting After Miscarriage or Loss - January 2010

It sounds like it could be a positive my love! I know it's scary after a loss - but try and go with this. I would go and buy some more tests (because I am POAS addict!) & test again in the morning...
Big cuddles...xxx :hug:

Thanks Michelle - It's 190/130 at 10am... Feeling pretty crap - beginning coversyl as soon as I go to the pharmacy - then a trip to the beach for a walk... I agree it's lifestyle probably... Although an aortic embolus is in the back of my mind due to my history.... Feeling quite anxious which clearly isn't helping! :wall:

Michelle - I am sorry that DH is coping by withdrawl - I know this is so very stressful. He is probably right that he has noone that can talk this through without judgement or personal/professional agendas/sways. I know myself, there was little support for carrying the pregnancy if it was not perfect due to the field I worked in... So, it's hard to get balanced views sometimes.

That's why I wanted to illustrate to you that we all make differing decisions based on different times in our lives/personal experiences/philosophies as we grow & change etc...

Know you can lean fully on us - and we will always be here. :hug:

Boham: I agree with Michelle hun, a line is a line. Sound like you might be UTD hun. I hope and pray you are.

Willow: I really feel sorry for you and your family. Caring for a close family member takes such an emotional toll. I hope your Nan recovers from her infection quickly and painlessly.

Kelly: I'd tend to agree that 6-8 weeks sounds excessive. I've always been told that you can swim and DTD etc once the bleeding has stopped. I hope you've managed to get in the pool and have a relaxing swim.

Mako: Make sure you take it easy babe. Sounds like you might be fighting off a bug or something. I hope you are feeling better today.

Freya: Oh poor DS. Cpox sucks. I hope he is over the worst of it soon and that you all feel better soon.

Laney: Oh hun :hug: I'm so very sorry to hear about your chemical preg. I hope this is the cycle for you.

Inanna: Now listen here woman, with a BP like that you need take it easy, do you hear me. Don't let FOTY get to you any more hun, you've done such an amazing job getting the property settlement sorted and before long this whole debarcle will just be a nasty memory. Please please please try to take it easy.

BW: A low grade temp is about as bad as DS ever got with his injections. If you are really worried perhaps call the GP and just run it by them.

Well we are doing well. B had a bit of an unsettled time last night but it wasn't too bad. Just a question (Freya you might be the best to ask) but when it is really hot and humid, is it normal for bubs to pretty much just want to be at the breast. B seems to have a good feed, settle for a while and then be wanting more. He isn't like that at night after the sun has gone down but during the day he is just thirsty thirsty thirsty. Doesn't bother me, I just wanted to see if anyone else had experienced that in hot climates.

Hi to everyone else.

Lv Spring xx

Michelle - No, she's only 84 I think? And yes, it may have been Sunday. The last few days are a bit of a blur for me.

Deb - Sorry, I only skimmed the thread and missed your post. I hope your BP resolves, take it easy lovely lady :hug: Glad to hear the settlement has been sorted. Will you still be moving? I remember you posting about enrolling the kids in a new school etc.

Michelle/Freya - I have my cards read at a place in Penrith called Inner Forest. It's a 'new age' kinda shop -crystals, books etc. The lady's name is Ann. She is pretty accurate ;) Which is the reason my mind is buzzing today!! LOL She says she sees another baby for me, a little girl :o She also referred to my angel baby as 'she' quite a few times. I've always felt it was a baby girl we lost. There was a point where she thought perhaps it was this child she was seeing but by the end of the reading she was quite sure there was another to come. Also that we will be moving AND I'll be getting a new car this year - woot!! You know how much I want my Kluger LOL. We'll see...

Jo - Sounds promising babe! Very exciting but scary at the same time :hug:

Jo, sounds very promising hun!!!!!!!!!! I'm so excited for you :D Keep us in the loop hun.

Deb, I was going to come in here today and ask how things were going with settlement etc. I'm sure it's very stressful, but it sounds as though things are progressing nicely............hang in there hun, it won't be long :hug:

Michelle, I wish I could give you a massive IRL hug!!!!!!!!! G will come around to you, he obviously just needs some time to process things for himself. I know that isn't easy on you at all, but make the most of the support you have here and elsewhere, and be ready for him when he opens up :hug:.

Willow, wow!!!!! What a full-on morning. Sounds like things are tough for you ATM hun, hope they get better soon.

Bek, massive hugs for you my love, having those days is soooooooooo hard. Know that we're all here if you want to chat :hug:

Spring, I'm obviously not in a hot climate ;), but it sounds very normal :).

Kelly, thinking of you lots darl. Yes, we'll definitely catch up when you're back! And my friends that I told you about would love to meet you too (you met one briefly when you were here that day?). Enjoy the rest of your time in Perth.

Hey Mako, feeling like doing a HPT??????? ;)

Gotta go girls, sorry to be brief, and miss people. I need to get a lie down in before DS wakes up. Will probably BBL :)

Thanks ladies, i'll be testing again on Friday my older sister (tk1999) is coming to visit from Thursday until Saturday for Sophie's birthday and to offer more support. I'll definately let you all know how it goes.

Lots happening in here, most of the time i dont know what to say so only check-in but dont post sorry.

big :hug: to everyone

LOL Janie you are so on the same page as me....... MAKO, go POAS woman! I think you might find something exciting.

BONHAM - You as well! Go POAS again! I'm excited!

WILLOW _ Sorry to hear your Nan has taken a turn, I really hope her infection clears quickly, your poor Mum as well, are their other siblings that can help out with your Nan as well?

JANIE - Are you resting?????

KELLY - I'm working tomorrow, at Jandakot airport on Thursday, but nothing late Friday afternoon if you want to catch up? Completely understand if you have too much on though. Also, I don't remember being told about no baths or swimming after my D&C, so I just assumed I could after the bleeding stopped? Go enjoy yourself honey, you deserve it!

MICHELLE - Oh hun, does Greg have a nice family friend or a colleague at work that he could speak to? Or better yet, do you think you could organise a dinner or set some time up when the kids are in bed at night to sit down & talk? Glad your dad is stuck back together!

FREYA _ Oh what a lucky thing you are to have the pox in your place! I hope Jett settles down soon.

LISA _ Where on earth are you?

AFM _ I went back to work yesterday, big changes are happening due to lots of office politics which makes me even more glad I didn't accept their permanent part-time position offered last year - casual suits me just fine! But it was nice to savvy myself up for a few hours & speak in my professional voice - even if it doesn't last much longer. LOL

Jayne xx

Maaaan :wall: My Mum just called, they have to take Nan back to hospital. Her fever has spiked again and the community nurse who has been visiting wants her back in hospital. Not sure if they'll keep her in or not. I was going to see her in the morning :(

Willow - Massive hugs.. I hope all is ok with your Nan.

Jayne - Would LOVE to catch up.. I'm staying with Mum in Willetton.. just around the corner from Jandakot!!! Not sure when you'll be there or if you have time before or after for a quick coffee... otherwise, I'm free Friday avo??

Jo - Congrats hun.. I definitely think you're pg!! I know how scary it is.. and how hard it is to stay positive (especially with everything thats been going on in here).. but please try. I'm glad you're sister is going to be with you for a few days! And we're ALL here for you.

Janie - Hope all is going well and I can't wait to catch up... would absolutely LOVE to meet your friends too.. am going to be feeling very lonely again when we get back I think.. so the more people I can meet, the better!!! Thanks, you're wonderful.

Spring - I would imagine bubs would feed more in the heat but don't really know. Hope all is well.

Deb - Big hugs.. hope you're bp has settled down a little. Please try to take it easy.. I can't imagine how stressed you must be. Thinking of you.

Michelle - still thinking of you. More hugs for you.. take it easy hun.

Mako - Sage is absolutely gorgeous!! Was so great to sneak onto FB and have a look through some of your pics! Hope you're doing ok today... god knows I'm feeling really up and down (more down than up though I'm afraid).

Big hello and hugs to everyone else that needs them.

AFM - I had a lovely swim with DS today.. he's loving the pool and is getting way too confident in the water!!! It's adorable. Still feeling a bit crappy but that's to be expected and I'm getting sick of whinging about it. Am heading out to dinner with my friends tonight.. so that will be interesting. Then we're getting ready to head back to Melb on Sunday morning. Not much else to report.

Kel xxx

Willow - I am at work tomorrow if you need me. After midday :hug:

Jayne: you crack me up, i'll test again on Friday as i've only got 1 HPT left and will only buy more if i need them. WOW your work sounds a bit full on.

Willow: i'm so sorry to hear your nan has gone back to hospital :hug:

Kelly: thanks hun, i am scared but doing my best to think positive, sending big :hug: to you. TK1999 is always there for me, as you're all here for me i'm here for you all aswell.

Mako: how are you doing? :hug:

sending more :hug: to everyone

:hug: Willow.

LOL Janie and Jayne you girls are too funny BUT I have POAS today and as I suspected it was a BFN. I wouldn't expect any different really although I was feeling very similar to how I was feeling before my last BFP. Oh well its probably for the best anyways as I have to get some medical stuff sorted out 1st I think.

Jo OMG hun I'm so excited for you although I like everyone else here knows how scary this time may be for you. Make sure you test again in the next couple of days ;)

Willow Oh now you've gone and got me all excited lol.Oh and how exciting that you might be having another baby down the track hun :dance: Have you said anything to DH about that one ;)
Know that I'm thinking of you and your family :hug:

Ok I'm off to bed. Have a huge day tomorrow. My sister and her kids are coming up and we are going to a little place called Oakvale Farm for the day. Hopefully the kids will like all the animals running around to feed :)
I'm feeling like cr*p too. I think af isn't too far away..terrible cramping going on today and tonight :( Oh well to be expected I guess.

BB tomorrow to catch up with everyone else. :grouphug: for you all

:comfort: Willow prayers and positive thoughts for your Gran & you... xxxx

No BP through the roof - so I have begun on some antihypertensives... Being a nurse & with my history I am concerned about a coronary embolus... Of course it won't be anything simple... :wall:

I took the kids and the dog to the beach for a run and a swim... That was nice and relaxing but it didn't budge my numbers on return...

I have a massive headache & I just wish it would all stop!

KELLY _ I'm meeting friends of ours for lunch at the cafe there as they are down on hols from Karratha (could be moving up there ourselves possibly :lol:). Apparently there is a cafe right near the runway or something & it's a real treat for the kiddies, I had never heard of anything being there so I'm a bit excited so I'm meeting her at 10am but will prob be finished by 12-ish & I can pop around to visit your mum if that's ok with her? All 3 of us intruding into your parents home???

Deb - are you on anticoagulants?? And do you mean a headache in the literal term or the high BP being a headache?!?!?! Just a little concerned ...... And yes - being a nurse guarantees *issues* :rolleyes:

Hello everyone, after lurking for a loooong time, I've decided to put myself out there. The crunch was when I read about mako and Kelly's MC's and had tears in my eyes and realised that I feel like I know you all but you don't know me....yet. :redface::)

My former name was Shoegal so I know some names from PAML threads, namely Freya, mako, Bun and possibly Willow.

I have a beautiful 21 month old DS and are TTC #2, I'm doing OI after my FS asking us not to wait too long after my second MC last July as my FSH is kind of high (possibly early menopause).

Anyway, I've bit the bullet and look forward to chatting with you all. Oh, and I'm in WA, a couple of hours south east of Perth.

xx

DEB _ You scare me woman! Don't go having a stroke!! Stop scaring me, I'm having enough issues sleeping already!

KELLY _ I have just PM'd you my mobile number & work number cos I'm at work tomorrow so I won't get online to be able to confirm our playdate on Thur. eeeek I'm very excited! :dance:

SEQUOIA _ Welcome & thank you for joining us. I'm sorry of your MC but am excited to learn more about your little DS!!! I'm in Perth as well, Waikiki actually - & you?

MAKO _ Bugger with the POAS, I really thought I was onto something there. Are you feeling run down? Maybe you are just very drained with the weather & the MC & the whole emotional stuff as well? There isn't much of you, so please look after you!

BONHAM _ Can't wait to hear more POAS stories in the morning! Maybe this is the light at the end of the tunnel for us all!

WILLOW _ So sorry about your Nan, she can't seem to take a trick, I wish I could help somehow! :wall:

Good night from a very hot & sweaty Jayne! Cleaned house all day, then walked Banjo & took the kids to the park after dinner & then rowed & cycled 12km total watching the tennis. I should sleep well tonight! Did you see Bec's hair tonight? I'm so trying that on Jessica tomorrow! LOL

Love Jayne xx

Michelle - Thank you :hug: I just spoke to mum, they've kept her in and she needs to have a CT done today. My aunty has offered to mind my little monsters so I can go in and see her but I'm assuming she'll be on the ward by now.

Sequoia - I definitely remember you! I'm glad you've come to join us. I look forward to getting to know you a bit better and sharing your ttc journey.

Mako - I was thinking about not telling you what she said because the end bit you'll love, but there's another bit you won't love so much I think :redface: I'll PM you now babe to put you out of suspense! Sorry about the BFN :hug: But you know, I think you're right about trying to sort some stuff out first before you jump back on the rollercoaster :hug: Always here for you.

Deb - :hug: Please take care of yourself. I hope you're feeling better soon.
I had a decent amount of sleep last night (despite the boy waking three times to be fed *sigh*) but I still feel like a zombie today. I've had a pretty emotional few days, so maybe I'm just feeling a bit drained.

Best be off, I've got to get everyone organised to go down to my grandmother's place.

Hi everyone,

Sorry, I haven't posted much since I got back from our holiday. A combination of another attack of the shys :redface:, not knowing what to say when everyone is having a rough time, a baby who is not sleeping much at night and an older girl on school holidays - seeing as she starts school soon I feel like I should spend a bit of extra time with her KWIM?

Anyway, I just wanted to post quickly and say :hug: to everyone who needs it. Will try to post a bit more often from now on.

Talk again soon xo

Hi guys, I'm home! We got home yesterday but it took me ages to read through all the posts and I am only just finding the time to post myself! Sounds like a lot of you are having a pretty rough time of things at the moment, so :grouphug:

Kelly, I am so sorry to hear about your m/c, that is terrible news. I am glad you have had your family around to support you. Good on you for heading into the pool, I think that's fine if the bleeding has almost stopped anyway. And looking at the weather in Perth I think it is way too hot to not be swimming! How are you feeling now?

Spring - a midwife in hosp told me that on a hot day a breastfed bub will want to feed pretty much constantly, so I would say that is normal!

Deb - you relax girl, don't let that silly silly man get your BP up, he is not worth it! I know things must be so hard right now, but try to find some time to yourself, you need it. What part of Vic are you thinking of moving to?

Willow - so sorry to hear about your nan, I hope this infection passes soon.

mako - how are you feeling today? Thank you so much for all your text messages of support, they were much appreciated!

Janie - I need some BFing advice from you. I have a really big lump on one boob, it is not really sore but quite big and has been there for about three days. I am feeding heaps on that boob, massaging when feeding and in the shower, using a heat pack, everything I can think of yet it just won't go away! I don't know what else to do and really don't want to get mastitis, that is the last thing I need right now! Do you have any advice? I feel fine other than the lump itself.

megsmum - don't be shy, just post away. Everyone is really friendly in here so don't worry!

sequoia - good to see you in here! Of course I remember you! Sorry to hear about your loss, I hope to hear that you are UTD again in no time! And we are all here for you during the stressful times, we understand what it is like so pop in anytime.

Jo - I will be waiting to hear on Friday when you test next!

Well I am so glad to be home but am feeling very sore and sorry for myself. I will post a proper birth story when I find the time but thought I would give you all a brief rundown of what happened. Basically, my waters were broken in the morning and I had til lunchtime for labour to start on its own otherwise the drip would start. Thankfully labour started on its own and hard and fast right on lunch time! I coped really well with the pain this time, I think it helped enormously being able to move around and not being strapped to the bed as I was last time. I had a fantastic midwife who was encouraging me and suggesting different positions etc and the shower (which was the BEST relief!) and my 4.30pm I was fully dilated. That's where things went horribly wrong! I had started pushing (and apparently my OB thought he would miss the whole thing because I had been doing so well - he thought bub would be out no worries in 4 or 5 pushes) but then my little man decided to turn posterior, really far down and got totally stuck. The back pain was excruciating, I have never experienced that kind of pain. It made a normal labour and birth seem like a breeze! After a while the back pain was so bad that I could barely even feel the contractions or the urge to push, I was just writhing around in agony. I couldn't even be properly examined because I couldn't stay still with the pain. I think I strained every muscle in my body writhing around so much and it was totally uncontrollable!

They tried getting me to lie on one side to get bubs to turn back but he was totally stuck and I just couldn't stay still. I thought I was going to die! They then tried putting in the drip in case my contractions just weren't strong enough to push the bub out, but I was begging them not to because I knew the contractions were strong enough, but bubs wasn't going anywhere! I had pushed as hard as I could over and over and he wouldn't even budge. Then I freaked out as they couldn't find his heartbeat, but it turns out he was fine. They just weren't sure exactly what position he had turned to and were looking in the wrong place for the heartbeat. Eventually I was told they were just going to get an anaesthetist so I could have some pain relief. What they were actually doing was getting a theatre ready and organising a spinal block for a forceps delivery and possible caesar. I remember screaming at them where is the anaesthetist, I need him here NOW!! I was totally hysterical and it seemed like the longest wait in the world. Finally they were ready (it had been about 2 hours since they had realised the labour had become obstructed, so a fairly long wait but it felt like a lifetime!). They told me to lie on the bed so I didn't fall off while they wheeled me in but I literally couldn't move with the pain. Then it took forever to get the spinal in, they had to have about three goes and I had three people holding me down while they did it during contractions.

Thankfully they were able to get Joshua out with the forceps at 8.09pm, although they used so much force I could feel my body being pulled down the bed repeatedly while they pulled him out. Apparently it is very rare for a bub to turn the way he did at the time he did and the OB wasn't sure exactly where he was for a while there. He was so stuck that they couldn't turn him and then pull him out, they just had to take him out where he was. I have stitches going about as far as possible and can't sit down, and I have been told the recovery is similar to that of a caesar, ie - no heavy lifting for 6 weeks etc so I am not quite sure how I am going to manage that with a toddler!

Gees, I just wrote way more than I meant to. Anyway, all is well now, but I think it is going to take a while to get over the birth both physically and emotionally. I really wanted to labour drug free and can't believe how close I was and how well I was doing, only to end up with a spinal block! Even seeing my baby for the first time was like a caesar - there was a sheet up and I got a quick look before he was whipped away for ages. He was always fine but it was really not the start I was hoping for! He feeds like a champ and has gained weight so is doing really well, so now I just need to come to terms with what happened! I have also been told that next time I should just get an epidural early on in case the same thing happens, which ruins any chance of a drug free birth!

Oh, and for those of you on facebook, I now have some pics up and more on their way. If anyone isn't a facebook friend and wants to see the pics, PM me your details and I will add you.

Sorry again for such a long post.

Hi All,

Bun - Welcome home. Your bubba buy is beautiful. Sounds like you had a rough time delivering J. Are you ok? How is Miss C?

Deb - Look after yourself. I hope you get you bp sorted.

meg - Hi. Enjoy your time with your DD.

Jayne/Janie - Thanks for asking about me. I think I am on top of things and the teary feelings have gone for now. We are working on Miss Eva's complete dislike of sleep. Thankfully my DH has stepped into help a bit.

Willow - Hugs re your nan. I just know that you'll have another bub. I've had that feeling for ages lol. I would like to see another psychic, but I am waiting for one to come to me, then I'll know they are the right person and the right time.

Sequoia - Hi and welcome. Sorry to hear about your loss.I definitely remember you

Sorry if I missed anyone. hugs to all

*sigh*

Went to the paed today. Have to go back again in 6 months. It appears that one of Sam's testicles has only partially descended and he may need surgery to correct it. Paed suggested we wait another 6 months and keep watching and if it's still not right then, he will refer us to a surgeon.

However, he did say that if we were really worried he would give us a referral now.

I don't know if I'm just being paranoid after going through so much with IVF to get Sam... I don't want him to face similar troubles in the future, but I also don't want to put him through unnecessary surgery. Don't know what to think and DH isn't answering his phone.

BW

Bun my love what an experience you poor honey... :comfort:
I do know posterior labours are hellish - my DD1 was posterior & all labours after that have seemd heaavenly!

I hope you recover well... In case you are interested.
I have a remedy for healing a peri -
comfrey, calendula & chammomile...
Wrap equal parts in muslin (good hand fulls) and steep them in a really hot bath.
Add celtic sea salt as well..

It really does help to heal more quickly. Also adding fresh aloe vera plant onto your pad against the area...

Thinking of you darling :hug:

Bun Welcome home hun. I'm sorry you had such a traumatic labour. I'm so happy that little Joshua is doing really really well though. I hope you rest up and recover as quickly as you possibly can :hug:

Willow Now you've got me wondering even more :o I'm so keen to "hear" what the lady said to you ;)

BW Sorry to hear about Sam. Hopefully he won't need surgery and things will develop on their own :hug:

Sequoia Its great to see you've found us once more. I too remember you although I'm sorry to learn of your loss too. I hope you are UTD very soon. How is DS doing?

Michelle :hug: Have been thinking of you often.

Janie How are you doing?

Jayne You are so sweet but I had to giggle when you said that there's not much of me..Did you have your eyes half closed when we met :rofl: I do think I'm very run down due to a combination of a lot of things atm. I'm sure with time I'll pick up again though.
You are a super woman doing all that rowing and riding ;) Good on you.

Bek How is everything going with you? Has Miss Eva started sleeping a bit better?

Spring B sounds like he's doing great. I remember Sage feeding all the time in the hot weather when he was a little bubba. How is Ollie going?

hi girls,

Sorry Ive been MIA but i have been following your posts, just got a lot going on here atm and some issues that need sorting..

Janie :hug: sounds like your OB has a good plan and I hope you get way past 32 weeks.

Bun - your a star!! I had a posterior labour with DD but in the end needed c/s because of the way she was stuck. Wishing you a speedy recovery xx

Big hello to everyone else, no time right now for personals :(

Quick AFM - going well, next OB appt next week, bub moving around nicely, lots of pain in my pelvic and pubic region and lots of period type pain but not as strong as a typical BH. Miss A doing well, so well in fact, she told me the other day that she was 'awesome'. Anyhow, gotta fly but ill try and pop in tomorrow for real personals.

Thinking of you all

Lis xx

Welcome back to megsmum & Sequoia.

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BONHAM _ Can't wait to hear more POAS stories in the morning! Maybe this is the light at the end of the tunnel for us all!

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Jayne: I sure hope this is a step in the direction of the light at the end of the tunnel, surely the luck has to change in here at some point. No more POAS stories for today, but i'll have 1 for you on Friday ;)

Sequoia: so sorry to hear of your loss, best of luck TTC

Mako & Kelly: I'm sorry if my news upsets you i know it's not easy :hug:

Deb: i hope you can get your BP sorted :hug:

Bun: so good to hear that you & Joshua are home, so sorry you had a traumatic birth, rest up as much as you can :hug: I'll be sure to post on Friday to let you all know what the HPT says.

BW: hope Sam doesnt need the surgery and things will sort themselves out on their own :hug:

Michelle: how are you doing :hug:

Hope everyone else is well :hug:

AFM: today i found out a friend who was due the same time i had DD is UTD again, will be awesome to share the pregnancy experience together again. I'm just hanging out for Friday so i can test again. No news to report, just trying to hang out until Friday to test again as i dont want to waste the last HPT i have in the house but i'll buy more on Friday if i need them or i'll just go to the doctor.
Finally got around to joining the local library and borrowed a heap of books to read, my younger sister thinks i'm crazy :lol: but i know i'll read them all in 4 weeks. I bought a 2nd birthday card for Sophie & wrapping paper to wrap Sophie's birthday presents plus i bought a few extra things to wrap up 2 lots of hairties and a box for the hairties to be stored in, plus whatever else we've already bought her. So we've had a productive day.

Jo - Good luck for Friday!! Thanks for thinking of me (and Mako) but honestly, your news is not upsetting for me.. I'm thrilled for you. It's something about those that have been through what we're going through now that makes it all ok. IYKWIM?

Lisa - Hope everything is ok hun?

BW - I'm praying that all will be ok with Sam.. try not to worry too much until your next appointment in 6 months (I know it's not going to be easy)!

Mako - How are you going and what ended up happening with your boss?

Bun - OMG... what a terrible time you had. Big hugs and hope the recovery isn't too bad. Sounds like you did an absolutely amazing job and I'm so pleased to hear that Joshua is going so well. I'm going to pop onto FB now and have a look at the pics!! Exciting!

Big hello's and hugs to everyone else.

Nothing new here.. just extremely busy catching up with everyone before we head back to Melb on Sunday morning. It's going to be hard leaving again. I'm feeling ok about everything I think and really just want to get on with it. Hanging out for AF so we can start the ttc journey again. DH and I decided we're not going to wait any longer than that this time. Although we've got an appointment with our OB in Melb next week, so I guess we need to see what she wants to do too.

Kel xxx

I got to see our resident SuperNurse and her very own SuperDoctor in action today ;) They looked a fetching pair in their colour coordinating scrubs lol Thankyou again Michelle for helping us out; you really do spoil use girls with your knowledge and good heart. You should be cannonized and made a saint :hug:

Bun - oh my lordy you are my new hero. Well done on a supreme birthing effort. I saw your pics; Joshua is gorgeous and Catherine looks the proud big sister to a T :)

Oh Freya! Not one of the boys again? Hope you guys are all in one piece.

Still stressing over Sam's bits... and feeling all kinds of freaky because of it! :redface: Starting to think that getting the referral now would be a plan - just for my peace of mind.

Bun - amazing effort with your birth! My labour was only posterior in the early stages, but that was hard enough! Saw your pics on FB (briefly - haven't had time to go into detail with them yet) - he's a gorgeous little boy!

BW

Just a second opinion on Jetts "chicken pox" which turns out was a pretty bad viral rash prob caused by a bug. So now I dont have to hide at home anymore lol

Holy cow girls - you are all busy in here. Only had time for a brief catch up.

Deb - how's your BP now? Mine remained up post-birth and I'm on medication to at least control it - I still feel 'strange' though. Keep a very close check on yourself, it's not a good scenario. Hugs xo

Bun - I so feel for you - my first 3 labours were all posterior, and like Deb said, a "normal" labour is like a walk in the park in comparison. You poor thing, I really hope you are some support at home (and real support iykwim) while you are recovering from such a difficult labour, whilst managing a newborn and toddler. How are you feeling?

Michelle - how are you hon, okay?? xox

Sequoi - I remember you Shoegal. Sorry to hear you lost a precious little one. Really glad you are lurking no longer, and have shown your face ;) you are very welcome. You will be utd again in no time, and we are all here to share the rollercoaster ride that pregnancy after a loss is.

Spring - How's your little man? Flynn is 90% bottlefed, my milk supply still low, but am on Maxalon which has helped - at this stage I'm just happy he gets a bit of boob milk. You are doing a great job with baby B, well done! I'd so love to put our boys together, I think they would be SO cute!!

A big warm hello to everyone else, sorry I haven't done more personals - I know there's some pain in this thread. Hang in their girls, at least we have each other.

AFM - bl....dy AF showed up today - 7 weeks after birth - I'm like "oh bu'''gger" off, I'm not ready to deal with all that again.

Willow - can I gently ask you about your experience with Mirena - my Ob gave me a script for one, and now that AF is here, I'm really going to need to deal with birth control sooner rather than later. Much as I'd love another baby, there's no nanny/chef/cleaner/taxi driver at my place (other than me!!!) - so alas, thats it for me!

Hugs to everyone!

Lee xoxoxoxo

Lee /Mako - I promise I'll be back tomorrow to fill you in but I am just so tired I"m about to fall down. Been at my grandmothers and at the hospital most of the day and only just got home and put the kids to bed. DH is out so it's been a looooong day. Mako I did send you a PM this morning before I left but it didn't go through :wall:

My mum wants me to go to the drs cause I'm so, so tired all the time and have been having headaches and dizzy spells on and off. I'm sure it's nothing but I'm feeling completely wiped out the last few days.

BBL after some sleep.

Freya - it really was nothing. A 5 second check so you can be at one with the world again ;)

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:redface: I don't think so!!!! Far from saintly here :lol:

And Superdoctor said the bills in the mail :rofl: He was amused with his title too LOL

Just home from work. I have done more foetal heart rates over the past few shifts than I have done for a while :rolleyes: It is typical. Having said that, Omar is bouncing around happily so there are some bonuses!!

Tired - will chat more tomorrow xx

OMG, gone for one day and so much to catch up on! I really don't think I'm going to get through everyone tonight, apologies. I might have to come back for seconds tomorrow!

Bun, wow, what a super effort my dear! I know that very back pain you're talking about, it is excruciating. Horrible, terrible, can't-stay-still pain. Sounds like you did a marvellous job to get through like you did :hug:. Take it easy hun, and be kind to yourself. It will probably feel like awhile until you're recovered......but you will get there. Deb's remedy sounds lovely.....I would be doing whatever you can hun to help move your recovery along faster. As for your lump........it sounds as though you're doing all of the right things :). The only other suggestions I would have for you are to feed using gravity........so getting on hands and knees on your bed, or somewhere comfy (!!!) and lying J down underneath you to feed. And otherwise, positioning him with his chin pointing towards the lump, if that makes sense. So if the lump is on the outside of your breast, you would need to use something like the football (underarm) hold when feeding. Persistent lumps can often be helped with ultrasound therapy (some physios do this). Are you an ABA subscriber? If you live where I think you do, there is a super-active group in your town, and Barb (who is the LC on here) runs it I think. I'm sure they would love to see you there. You don't have to be a member when you first turn up, you're welcome to go and see whether you like it or not first, a couple of times if you like :). Group meetings are usually super-toddler friendly too :D. Or you could ring the helpline (again, don't need to be a member) if you're looking for some more ideas. You're doing the right thing in keeping on top of it, you don't want it to develop into something more. Oh, try using the heat pack before a feed, but a cold pack after feeds. I hope some of that has been useful! Hang in there hun, and don't hesitate to call the helpline if you're worried. Don't leave it go too long, let me know how things progress :)

Sorry girls, I'm out! Will be back tomorrow for more :D

Bun - Just read about your birth - wowee, that all sounded very familiar!! Pretty much the same thing happened with D. Everything was going well and then I just felt like everything stopped. He had turned posterior and was stuck at his shoulders. My ob got me back in the shower and thankfully he dropped down (so much so that I screamed at them when they got me out of the shower, I was very prepared to deliver him then and there! LOL) so he was able to turn him. I can completely relate to the agony of it :hug:. I was in so much pain I couldn't feel the contractions, couldn't feel him crowning and my mum had to tell me that his head was out :o Thankfully he wasn't quite so stuck as little Joshua and I am so amazed and grateful to my ob for getting him out without forceps or stitches (although the 'McRoberts maneuver' he used was NOT fun and I was not his friend at the time!). I didn't think he'd do it and at one point was preparing myself to hear the word 'caesar'. I'm sorry things didn't go as you'd hoped honey, but you did an AMAZING job. I hope you're recovery is speedy, both physically and emotionally.

Lee - OK, Mirena. I've had mine in a few months now, probably almost 3. The 'insertion' (for want of a better term) wasn't too bad at all, just like a really long pap test actually. I had slight discomfort at times but no pain at all during, or immediately after. I was surprised that I had bleeding immediately after though, they sent me home with a pad on. It was like a really light period. That continued for a few days and then stopped. I was very pleased and thought I'd escaped this dreaded spotting you hear about. Not so lucky! LOL. It returned about a week later and lasted for about 6 weeks :wall: It wasn't heavy or painful or anything, just really annoying! I actually called my ob/gynae and told him I wanted it out. He talked me around and said I should leave it at least 6 weeks before I decided so I listened to him and a few days later, the spotting stopped and I've had nothing since (so it's probably been about a month so far with no spotting. I did have a few headaches in the beginning too, but I'm still having those and not sure if they're related or not. I think not, but will talk to my ob when I go for my check up next week (??). I wouldn't even know it's there now. From my experience so far, and assuming all looks good on the u/sound and it hasn't moved or anything, I would definitely recommend it.

Bek - I've had a few people say the same thing ie they're not surprised at me having another...well I am! LOL. And I think people are forgetting one little detail - I actually have a mirena in so it's not even possible! Not to mention my sub-standard fertility at the best of times.

Two of my close friends are going to see her today LOL, they were pretty impressed with what we told them (my best friend came with me too). Will see how accurate she is with them.

Michelle/Freya - If i'd timed it right we could have had a little catch up right there in Michelle's ED! LOL. Glad you sorted Jett out, I must admit it looked nothing like chicken pox to me.

Better go, I have a mountain of washing and housework to catch up on from the last few days, not to mention my Little Squirt has died :wall: I admit I'm cheating and have the boys in sposies cause I can't deal with the poo! :redface:

haha that would have been a funny sight W. The Great BB Emergency Department meetup of 2010 ;)

Sorry if I seemed vague yesterday Michelle; lack of sleep and I didnt want to keep you too long, I know how maniacal it always is there. Im really going to have to ensure the boys understand they are not to injure themselves or get sick until you or SuperDoctor are on shift :lol: I really wasnt impressed with the service on sunday night.

Hi Jayne, my husband and I own a small business in a tiny little town you’ve probably never heard of! I was around your way last week on holidays, well, kind of close. We stayed at DH’s aunty’s house in Mandurah on the Serpentine River for a week. Do you go to Mandurah much at all? Soooo much good stuff for kids to do.

Willow – lots of hugs being sent your way, you sound like you really have your hands full with 3 kiddies and your nan, thinking of you.

Bun – Wow! What a birth, I still remember you posting about Miss C’s birth, did you have Colin Blair? One of my friends had him recently. I’m glad you are now home with Mr J.

BekZ – hello again!! Great to *see* you. I remember talking Polish baby names not long ago, I love Eva’s name. Is it EEE-va or Ever? Gorgeous either way.

BW – good luck with Sam, what does DH think?

Mako – hello there old friend, thanks for the good luck vibes. DS is going beautifully, just a small speech problem, he’s a little behind in his vocab but has picked up a lot in the last month. We have a follow up appt on Friday. How is Sage?

Bonham – good luck with POAS tomorrow!

Hi Lee, I have to say, I was so happy to read of Flynn’s arrival. You really do pick beautiful names for your babes!

AFM – I’ve been found out on here IRL so if I alter my post a little after a couple of days that is why.

Lovely days all, xx.

Sequoia, I remember you! So nice to see you in here, I hope your TTC journey is now short and sweet :).

Deb, take it easy lovely. I know it's easier said than done, but you really need to. Things will move along with all the FOTY stuff......they will be what they will be, and you worrying yourself sick will not change the outcome. Thinking of you :hug:

Mako, bugger :(. Do you know what cycle day you're on? Any chance it's too early, just not showing up yet? I really hope your sticky BFP comes along VERY soon.

Willow, could you be anaemic? You know how common it is in busy mums with young children. Or (don't cyber-punch me LOL, I hate to say it, but I know too many people who have had problems) could it be the Mirena? I hope whatever it is you work it out and feel better soon. Is it possibly just the sheer exhaustion of running around after three kids???? :rofl:

Yes Michelle, you should be made a saint, I don't know what we'd do without you!!!!! Am thinking of you all the time, here if you need me :hug:

I'm off again, will BBL!

Wiilow - You never know number 4 baby could be a while down the track!!!! Your symptoms are what I have been experiencing. I had headaches for 7 days, I was/am so lethargic that I could just fall asleep at any given time during the day, and I am dizzy quite a bit too. Top that with severer pmt like symptoms and you've got one very cranky person lol. Oh yeah and I think there is something up with my pelvic floor, I can feel some weird bludge and I need to pee constantly (sorry probably too much info). I am going to the doctors next week to have a work over. Sounds like you need the same hun :hugs:

Sequioa - Miss E is referred to as Ever, although we do shorten the ending to sound like an a and not er.

Best be off for now lovelies.