sheyne rowley

**prama** · October 5th, 2009, 09:12 PM

Hi girls

Was wondering if aanyone read her book or used her? she's called the baby whisperer and has a book called Dream Baby Guide

TIA!

**Oorki Galoorki** · October 5th, 2009, 09:31 PM

i believe its similar to the crap TH has put out...

**Queen** · October 5th, 2009, 10:03 PM

I have it, but currently do not have time to work through 700page book lol...apparently she is good. I agree with her way of working out sleep issues, that fixing sleep is about what happens during the day not about the sleeping at night.

**BellyBelly** · October 5th, 2009, 10:20 PM

Yup same as TH and NOT categorised as gentle parenting - they say they have their 'differences' but they are much of a muchness if you ask me.

**Ozziehoffy** · October 5th, 2009, 10:33 PM

TH??

I personally can't say that I like her. She was on ummm Sunrise I think it was the other morning. She's very anti co-sleeping which I'd never realised until then! I was rather shocked. I p/t co-sleep and I have Elijah right next to me in our room and in fact Oskar only just moved himself out of our room into his own (new room and bed all in one go lol) about a month ago. He too p/t co-slept. He learnt to settle on his own as he got older and I believe as he got to be aware that he was not in fact alone. ... anyway, sorry gone off on a tangent, but yeah, personally not for me.

**Oorki Galoorki** · October 5th, 2009, 11:03 PM

Tizzy Hall...evil "make baby scream to sleep" trainer

this is my personal opinion not the opininon of the BB

**Indadhanu** · October 6th, 2009, 07:28 AM

Ooooh, I looked her up on the advice of an aquaintance when Jazz was in her wake every two hour stage. I havent read her book but her method its a bit... odd ... to me.

I wasn't heartbroken by it, not like TH methods. But some of it just seemed really OTT. Theres a LOT of information to wade. It seemed to me like she knows parents think the more information you give them, the better the advice IYKWIM.

In all honesty, her plans seem to be a lot like the NCSS, except with crying (although she does claim to not be an advocate for traditional CIO methods, she does something she call 'listening to cries' and responsding 'accordingly' which is probably just a form of CIO, depending on how YOU respond), and uses bigger words which I think if the website is anything to go by, would make the book more like a uni textbook than a book for sleep-deprived parents.

I think, if you're looking for something like this, that goes through 'wind down' time, and environment, and cues etc, I'd recommend the NCSS. Its easier to understand, and writen/devised by someone who is a mum. I also emailed Elizabeth Pantley, a few times, and have gotten some amazing feedback on when things weren't working.

**prama** · October 6th, 2009, 08:00 AM

thanks girls..
i tried to look up info on her but nothing says she's got kids etc. so was a little suss. think i might pass!

p.s. what's NCSS?

thanks again girls

**littlelara** · October 6th, 2009, 08:42 AM

No cry sleep solution.
Good luck

**littlelara** · October 6th, 2009, 08:51 AM

Ps. I found the best thing for us was to work with the advice for a little while (in our case contented little baby book) until you figure out what works for you. Routine was key for us, but we figured out where we could be flexible and never followed her advice for solids, for example.
You don't need to take their word as gospel (especially if they don't even have kids - that would set off alarm bells for me too), but some of it can be helpful if you don't know where or how to start.
HTH

**Ozziehoffy** · October 6th, 2009, 10:36 PM

Tizzy Hall...evil "make baby scream to sleep" trainer

this is my personal opinion not the opininon of the BB

Thanks... oh and I am of the same opinion. Don't get me started on making a poor little baby scream themselves to sleep, breaks my heart

**Bec1** · November 9th, 2009, 11:35 AM

Hi, just stumbled across this conversation.

4 Yrs ago Sheyne stayed with us. Our 11 month old went from no day sleeps and crazy interupted sleeps to sleeping 11-12 hrs at night and 2-3 hr day sleep, big change in 1 day with minimal tears. (very different to sleep schools!) I purchased her book this year as my 6 month old was up to similar tricks. In fact I was having to feed her every 40 mins thru night. First night on new routine she slept the full night.

Yes the book is daunting but i think that is because you cant fix these probs fully without the full info. these things take effort, Also Sheyne is not a mother. Nor is my midwife but she was excellent. In fact I dont believe my physio has ever sprained her ankle but she fixed mine ok. Also she doesn't mind co sleeping if it is working for you.

in my opinion Sheyne is the best (if not the only) person that offers a sensitive and comprehensive solution for babies with real sleep issues and she is the real deal. Hope this helps those with difficult sleepers out there. Good luck!!

**prama** · November 9th, 2009, 02:11 PM

thanks bec.
tho it is my personal preference to go for someone who's a mother themselves..

**Lulu** · November 9th, 2009, 02:59 PM

Bec, TBH it would be very very rare that a routine could be changed in ONE night.

**BellyBelly** · November 9th, 2009, 04:14 PM

In my opinion Sheyne is the best (if not the only) person that offers a sensitive and comprehensive solution for babies with real sleep issues and she is the real deal.

Errrr I have to strongly disagree with this. Babies don't actually NEED a routine or plan - babies have needs and many 'solutions' out there shape them to suit our lifestyle and make them convenient. There are many tips and different things we can try which can be very successful and very gentle.

Yes sometimes mothers and families get sleep deprived and tired and desperately need help. But there is no community, no wisdom being passed on, no extra hands... and the wisdom that is out there and available are in the form of some great books and parenting experts (who are parents themselves and know the emotion and hormones involved with that mother baby connection, like what it feels like when your heart breaks in two to hear your baby cry) who teach us that we are the experts, and most of us have normal babies, not babies with a problem. It's identifying those books and telling others about them against the big marketing dollars of other books. How is that the real deal?

**prama** · November 9th, 2009, 04:41 PM

Bec, TBH it would be very very rare that a routine could be changed in ONE night.

yes, i was going to add that too, im not sure a bub/toddler could sleep through the night after just one night of 'help'
we were in Tresillian for a week and only 2 out of the 5 kids sleep through the night, well most nights.

**onthefly** · November 9th, 2009, 04:49 PM

In fact I dont believe my physio has ever sprained her ankle but she fixed mine ok.

Yeah, but the thing is an ankle is an ankle, pretty much always the same, so I'm sure it's possible to learn to fix one without actually spraining your own. Children are unique, individual human beings (as are their parents) so the idea you can apply a one-size-fits-all approach to parenting doesn't really sense. Someone who's had children (and particularly someone who's had several) will know this.

**prama** · November 9th, 2009, 05:12 PM

Bec, have other mums you know have had the same success with her?

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