Tizzie Hall routines

[Phteven]

You can rate the article too. I suggest giving it one star so that other parents can see how poorly it's rated even if they won't pull it.

[KatieRabbit]

Yes, I have had an enjoyable read of the articles, thanks Kelly. I still can't get over the 'vomiting' part on Raising Children!!

[fionas]

This is a bit off topic but I studied history so I guess my first thought is always, "well, I wonder what people did 50, 100, 500 years ago?"

Strikes me that parents used to sing their children lullabies and now progress and so-called experts are saying that controlled crying is the go and don't worry about the vomiting. So much for progress!

If anyone knows of any 17th, 18th, 19th and early 20th century parenting books, I'd be really interested just to see what was advocated then. I'm guessing thought that this knowledge was passed down verbally from mother to daughter. I'm not saying they had all the answers by the way, I'm sure they had some pretty strange ways of doing things too - but just curious from a historical perspective.

[christy]

I've rated that article & given feedback saying how ridiculous it is. Absurd really. I think that we should continue to let them know how old and outdated their information is on sleep issues.

[meow]

Come on girls- our government also has laws stipulating the part of a child's body that may be smacked and the method of smacking that is appropriate... I do believe such laws used to exist for slaves too but that's way too back in the dark ages to be considered appropriate now.

I'll have to have a read of these Tizzie Hall comments- doesn't sound like she's up my alley...

Edited to add: Just had a quick look and had to say Oi Kelly! Not all childless child care workers have wierdo things to say about caring for children.

[BellyBelly]

Yeh I know ren ... just amazing how many of them write books and get fame and fortune writing things like this! Anyone could write a book and be an expert it seems.... not good!

[sushee]

Thanks for the link Kelly. I've rated it but will take my time formulating a feedback post that eloquently states my opinion that the article is complete crud. Wouldn't want them to miss my point. I also really would like to strongly question their assertion that babies as young as 6 months can learn to vomit on command in order to manipulate their poor unsuspecting parents.

I see it's rating 2 stars atm. Wow, there must have been those who voted positively for babies vomiting in distress.

[Snowy Love]

2 stars = poor, so I'd say that doesn't sound like approval for letting babies vomit.

I actually looked at that website last week and was appalled at the instructions on it - no mention that there may be altenative (kinder) ways of doing things. Just developing my comment now.

[Amie]

I'm not sure if this is a little off-topic, but it does follow on from something mentioned in previous posts and also the old thread that was referred to...

My question is, does someone have to be pregnant/have children to be considered a reliable source of information about pregnancy, birth and/or children?

I am a health professional who works with pregnant women and their children. I don't have children myself and I have to say I took a little offence to some of the phrasing used by previous posters when referring to childless carers/experts/professionals etc.

Obviously I haven't experienced first-hand the exertion, exhaustion and exhilaration of pregnancy, birth and mothering, but does that mean my advice is worth less than someone who has?

[BellyBelly]

Nope not at all - but when it's bad advice, leading to things like failure to thrive etc then it is. When routines from these 'experts' cannot take into account the hormonal attachments that women feel to their children/babies and think they are going to be able to not look into babies eyes at night, watch them vomit without comfort and only feed them when the clock says, then that is completely inappropriate in my eyes. The discussion was about a particular expert, and about claims the expert was making and questioning that, so its not a sweeping statement and I didn't say all... but it is ironic that most of the 'baby experts' or 'baby whisperers' who are making shed loads of money telling mothers how to get sleep at night (who wouldn't pay millions for the magic answer) have no children and have experience as a nanny - a role in which you can be more firm and hardlined because you have no emotional attachment to the child like a mother would. I think they prey on tired, exhausted and unsupported mums to the detriment of our children's health, but little do we know it... for some it appears to work but the research in cortisol in babies brains left to cry it out is of concern. Do they care? Nup, where's your credit card thanks?! It's not even based on research, yet women will only choose a qualified Obstetrician and want the best etc... wouldn't you want someone giving you qualified advice for your baby, from research or whatever?