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thread: 3.5 year old brain-fade???

  1. #19
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    You just described DS to a T. He's 4 in February.
    He does the vague sentence thing, all of a sudden can't dress himself, and pushes boundaries like I wouldn't even think about....argh!! I do remember DD1 doing something similar.

    I was going to send you that link too. I remember reading it when DD1 was that age.

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    Thanks again ladies. Watching her again today, she seems to go in and out of the 'fade'. She was pretty switched on this morning but by 4pm was all over the place so tiredness definitely plays a part. She still really needs a nap, but if she has a long one, she doesn't go to sleep for ages at night, which leaves her more tired the next day... bit of a vicious cycle.

    Given that you're all reporting the same things, I'm fairly ok with putting it down to development, though I might see if I can track down that author to try and understand it better.

    All the best with your vague, clumsy, melodramatic, gorgeous little people. xox

  3. #21
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    Oct 2008
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    Our Moo turned 3 in August and sounds quite similar to all these little 3 year olds! He is so dramatic lately, high pitched screaming when Buster goes near his stuff, or when Buster goes near his own stuff for that matter lol. He cries at the drop of a hat and doesn't seem to get past things very easily at the moment, he'll cry and cry for ages and keep bringing up what happened.

    He is scared of heaps of stuff. Just this week he has been scared of flies and shut doors to his room and playroom so they didn't get in there, scared of bees when outside, scared of a toy garage that makes a noise when cars go past it's sensor (became so hysterical we had to put the toy away, then when he saw it accidently he became hysterical again and couldn't actually walk past it) and he also screamed his head off and ran away when I said 'oh DH there is something on the carpet'.

    He keeps asking where things are when they are right in front of him, when I point to it and say 'it's in front of you' he seems to look everywhere BUT at the object. I don't know how he misses it!

    He has started saying 'I can't!' when asked to do something or when trying to do something, then it's 'Mummy do it!'. And it has to be Mummy...Daddy can't do much at all lately.

    Will say 'Mummy?' and when I respond he says 'ummmmm...something.' He also can't seem to entertain himself and wants me to sit with him all the time, won't let me actually DO anything with him, I'm only allowed to watch lol.

  4. #22
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    Dec 2006
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    Putting my hand up for a May 'Brain Fade' baby here too!!
    And another here!
    E has been TT for ages, but a couple of weeks ago, she just randomly had a massive wee in her clothes at mum's place. cant for the life of us work out why - we think she was just distracted and tired and didn't want to make the effort to go to the loo...

    everything else i was reading thinking "oh yeah, that's so E at the moment..."

  5. #23
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    Nov 2008
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    3.5 year old brain-fade???

    DD1, who turned 3 in September, is exactly the same! It's so nice to read other mums are having so much fun too!

    If I cop another poo in the knickers (DD's, not mine, lol!), I think I'll turf the knickers and go back to nappies! Give me a pooey nappy any day!

  6. #24
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    Mar 2007
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    I just read this post on a blog called 'The Parenting Passageway' and thought of this thread

    Three-Year Old Behavior Challenges

    What is life like with a three-year-old? There is something quite magical about the three-year-old year, and often something quite difficult. I have had three mothers contact me recently about life with a three-year-old – its ups and its downs..
    This is how the Gesell Institute Book “Your Three-Year-Old” characterizes some of the qualities of a three and three and a half year old”


    Three Years:


    Conforming, decreased physical aggressiveness, happy most of the time, friendly, pleasing
    Loves new words
    Likes to make a choice within realm of experience
    Sure of himself
    Tries to meet and understand social demands
    Gets along well with mother
    Helpful around house
    Like to relive babyhood
    Beginning of interest in babies, wants family to have one
    If sibling is on the way, most really do not understand baby growing inside mother
    Expresses affection readily
    Desires to look at and touch adults, especially mother’s breasts
    Father can take over in many situations, although Mother still favored parent
    Child clings less at bedtime and may go to sleep better for father
    Usually enthusiastic about other children but still immature in their social reactions
    Children may be more comfortable with adults other than other children – they approach adults with requests for help or information
    From page 55, “ Much of a child’s conversation with any adult is still self-initiated. He may respond to what grown-ups say to him, or sometimes, he may not.”
    Temper tantrums decline


    Three and a Half Years:


    Turbulent, troubled period of disequilibrium, the simples event or occasion can elicit total rebellion
    Strong and secure gross motor abilities may turn more into stumbling, falling, at this age
    New- found verbal ability “I’ll cut you in pieces!” and lots of whining
    Loves silly rhymes and rhyming words, sentence length is increasing, acquiring a large vocabulary
    May refuse to do things a lot, or howl and scream, or say a lot of “I can’t” I won’t” kinds of things
    Three and a half to four may be the height for the most “WHY?” “WHERE?” “WHAT?” kinds of questions
    Demanding, bossy, turbulent, troubled but mainly due to emotional insecurity
    Mother-child relationship difficult but may also cling to mother
    May refuse to take part in daily routine – may do better with almost anyone than Mother
    Inwardized, insecure, anxious
    Determined and self willed; emotional extremes predominate
    Emotional and physical insecurity
    Anxious; lots of tensional outlets such as nose-picking, nail-biting, boys may be pulling almost constantly at their penises, etc; can see stuttering and tremors of muscles at times, visual strain
    May not eat well, may still have problems with bed-wetting, may wake up in the middle of the night and walk around
    Afraid of almost anything and everything
    Beginning of prolonged play with dolls, house building, tricycle riding
    Girls may propose to Daddy at this age
    If your child tells you stories, they may have violent elements in them (page 102)

    THINGS THREE-YEAR OLDS DO:


    Wonder at things!
    Play a lot
    Invent stories to tell
    Talk a lot and ask a lot of questions
    Love their mommies and daddies and pets!
    Get all those new words and new skills!

    THINGS THAT MOTHERS SAY ARE DIFFICULT ABOUT THE THREE-YEAR-OLD:


    Whining
    Frequent changing of mind
    Wanting to play games constantly with mother and wanting her attention all the time
    The difficulty that comes with dressing, eating, going to bed, taking a nap
    The asking of “Why?” over and over and over

    STEINER’S VIEW OF THE THREE –YEAR -OLD


    For an anthroposophical view of the three-year-old, let us consider the following. Rudolf Steiner had much to say about the period of two-and-a-half until age five; this is the age that “an exceptionally vivid memory and wonderful imagination” starts to happen. He discusses how children continue to live by imitation, and how the best things to do with children between these ages involve anything that invokes imagination. This is where Waldorf teachers and followers of Steiner start looking toward more open-ended, homemade kinds of toys due to their beauty and warmth and how much the child can add to this out of the child’s own imagination.

    Steiner felt that the child of this period “is by no means in a position to take in ideas which bear on the moral life. And it follows that he should not be taught to him.” In the book “Understanding Young Children; Excerpts From Lectures by Rudolf Steiner Compiled for Use of Kindergarten Teachers”, this story is told: “Two disconsolate parents once came to Dr. Steiner and complained that their child, generally very good, had stolen money that the mother had put in the cupboard, bought sweets and distributed them. Dr. Steiner explained that [the child] merely copied what [the child] had seen its mother do. And this had nothing whatever to do with stealing. The child becomes what its environment is.”


    Steiner also discusses how speech is the foundation for thinking, and how physical mobility is the foundation for speech. Therefore, a child learns to walk, to speak and then to think. “In the beginning, “Steiner says, “ the child merely repeats the sounds it hears, sounds that are more or less rhythmic and melodious and in accordance with the peculiar relation between its groping arms and legs. Thinking can only arise out of speech and not before.”

    In Steiner’s view, one of the most important things we can do in the first seven years for our children is to teach the child gratitude. This becomes the basis of love, the virtue belonging to the second seven year cycles, and duty, the basis of the third seven year cycle.

    “If [the child] sees that everyone who stands in some kind of relationship to him in the outer world shows gratitude for what he receives from this world; if, in confronting the outer world and wanting to imitate it, the child sees the right kind of gesture that express gratitude, then a great deal is done towards establishing in him the right moral human attitude. Gratitude is what belongs in the first seven years.”

    One thing that the Gesell Institute book points out on page 12 is this gem of a sentence, “The first is that, as we have tried to emphasize, even though he may be difficult at times, your child is not your enemy. It is not you against him.” They point out that the mother matters most to a three-year-old and is therefore the child is often at his best and worst with his own mother.


    Here it is again – how we are mothers respond to our children and set the tone in our home is a determinant in the lives of our family. It is not whether or not our child “behaves”; it is how we ACT toward our child. Three is so very, very little. Please do let your child feel your warmth toward them; it goes a long way at three. The other piece of advice that can be offered for dealing with three is to not turn things into a personal battle between the two of you…it is not you and your child, it is just “this happens when we do this”, “we must do x in order to do x”. Sing, hum, wonder together, and love one another. The more peaceful, matter of fact energy you can muster will really help in the day-to-day life with a three-year-old. The more we can create for our child that sense of wonder at life, gratitude for life, the better laid the foundation is for the rest of the child’s life.


  7. #25
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    Oct 2006
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    Thanks for posting that Heaven, that is really interesting. I can definitely relate to the whining, DS is driving me nuts lately!

  8. #26
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    just read DH the 3.5 year old bit - he asked if someone had been observing DD!

  9. #27
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    Thanks so much for posting that Heaven. Really interesting and reassuring. I love the idea around gratitude growing into love, growing into duty. For all that she's driving me nuts, DD can be really helpful and thoughtful and I make sure that I express my gratitude to her. She also sees DH and I thank eachother or show gratitude to our parents and it seems to have rubbed off in that she'll thank me profusely for her new hat (even when it's from the op shop!) and always thanks whoever has made her meal.
    A good reminder to accept the little setbacks and focus on the positives. xo

  10. #28
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    Without reading all the posts (so this has probably been covered) but, are you perhaps inadvertantly giving a little more "mummy" attention to your DS? It's just that you state that she freaks out if her brother touches her things. Kids will often do naughty (for the lack of a better word) things to get your attention and/or a feeling a little jealous.

  11. #29
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    I always find lots of helpful things on that blog. There is another post called 'Peaceful life with a three year old' which I just read too.

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    Cass - yes, DH and I have been discussing that. I think they both get plenty of attention, but the attention toward DS can often be more warm and smiley as he's so darn cute and not really up for taking directions or pushing my buttons. DD gets the loving stuff too, but also a fair bit of tone and exasperation a la 'I've told you.... we're not going anywhere until you get DRESSED!!!!!' (not so warm ) I don't think it explains the brain-fade so much, but it would explain some of the defiance and baby talk.

    Thanks Heaven, off to read that blog now!

  13. #31
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    Nov 2008
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    Yes, yes, yes! This is DS at the moment. I was thinking it was partly due to the fact that 'mummy is growing a baby in her tummy' but after speaking to some of the other mums at kindy, we all want to throttle our kids atm! Where did my helpful boy go? Why am i suddenly doing things for him that hes insisted on doing for months? impromptu tantrums about the silliest things (I drizzled the honey on his bread the wrong way, I used the 'wrong' word when asking him a question etc...)

    This has been such a help, and a comfort to know I'm not the only one. I'm sure DH too will think that someone has been observing our child!

    Is there anyone else dealing with this now...?

  14. #32
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    *double post*
    Last edited by JLeigh29; July 24th, 2013 at 03:09 PM. : Double post

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    Glad it was helpful JLeigh. If it's any comfort, a few months and she really settled down. Then the month after she turned 4 it all seemed to come together for her and she 'grew up' over night! We still have our fair share of melodrama, but her brain is well and truly back online again and the stuff she's coming out with just absolutely floors me. She's just hit this whole new level of awareness, curiosity, creativity and problem-solving and it's such a pleasure to watch.

    .... remind yourself, this too shall pass!

  16. #34
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    DD is 4 in a few weeks and in the past month or so all of these issues/items have come to a head - they have probably been happening for the past 6 months but it has all really intensified in the past month and a bit.

    I will be glad to see the other side of 4 - everyone says terrible twos but my experience is that 3 was much more terrible!

  17. #35
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    tk - DS never had terrible two's either; this is no fun though! Do you think it's worse cos we're pregnant? I know my temper is particularly short atm...

  18. #36
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    Who ever called it 'the terrible twos' clearly hadn't yet had a three year old

    Just like Santosha, we are well past it now, at 4y3m DS is delightful again, but from 3.5y for about 3 months we were going through 'crazy time', it does pass though

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