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    Something that hasn't been mentioned but to me is worth consideration is the viability of stored embryos.

    As I mentioned I have nine frozen at the moment and plan to use at least one. I am fully aware though that in that process, we may run through the entire store of embryos before we find one that survives the thaw and is healthy enough to transfer.

    Even though an embryo appears viable right before freezing, quite a lot of them may not make it any further once thawed. This is not so much a result of being frozen but more like the natural attrition that would occur anyway. As in nature, not all conceptions go on to become a baby. That said even though the freeze/thaw technology is very good these days, there may be some cells which do not recover from that process.

    It then becomes a matter of whether you accept this as part of the process or whether it is still outside the bounds of what you consider morally acceptable so far as the creation of life is concerned. This might be balanced by how you feel about going through repeated stim cycles in order to obtain the embryos you need before you have success.
    Counselling given to couples prior to starting IVF is geared toward nutting out a lot of these issues.

    BW - I am not sure about your question but it might be good to chat to the clinic about it.


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    I guess whatever your beliefs with regards to religion and ivf and although it is a scientific/clinical process it still can't determine how well your body will respond to the drugs and still can't determine how many eggs will fertilize and the number of cycles it takes to produce a baby - these are all left up to mother nature. I think it is good to go in with an open mind and open heart as it is a tough journey both mentally and phsyically.

    Just reading through everyones opinions on this issue we all have the same idea fundamentally and it really comes down to how you can reconcile it in your own mind and can fully accept any decision you have to make on this subject.

    I guess that is where i am still at....how i can reconcile my actions. Thanks to you ladies i am definately one step closer to my decision

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    I'm in Melbourne and the clinics beliefs are that if you want to use them the case has to heard in front of the board for IVF legislation that hears each case seperatly. My thoughts are if it has to go to that length they prob are nearing the end of a sucessful conclusion.
    My parish priest is extremly supportive he christened Eliza and alot of women in my parish have undergone IVF and dont carry a stigma
    Bec

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    Just for anyone who is with Sydney IVF, called them this afternoon to see what the maximum length of years are for freezing bubba's and they don't actually have any designated length of time - it's indefinate!

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    BW, when I had my stim cycle I was told the aim was to collect 8 to 10 eggs, not a 'maximum' amount. I think the goal is something of a trade off between egg quality and quantity, and 8 to 10 was the number that the clinic had found to give optimal results. Mind you, the stim process can't be completely controlled and the number of eggs actually collected may be well outside of this range (and still successful). And there may be differences in approaches and experience for individual clinics/labs.

    I agree with Melbo that you could ask for more info about this. I'm sure a specialist and clinic would be willing to listen to a patient's concerns about excess embryos because of their beliefs. I found mine to be very open to all sorts of weird questions that I threw at them.

    PS I'm not an expert on this stuff...others may well know more than me!

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    In first cycle we had 17 eggs/13 fertilised and ended up with 8 embryos - we transferred 2 unsuccessful - 6 left , had FET and to get two to transfer they thawed 5 /6 unsuccessful, the last embryo failed the thawing on an attempted FET. Out the 17 eggs 13 embryos - nil babies

    I agree with Melbo... you just can't assume each embryo will survive the rollercoaster ride.

    On my 2nd cycle we got 19 eggs/17 fertilised but because we chose to go to blastocysts we ended up with 5 remaining embryos on day 6 - only two were suitable to transfer the other three were deemed unsuitable /unlikely to survive freezing/thawing or had no potential from scientists POV something to do with cell structure.

    At the time I was disappointed but at same time I knew it was out of my control - my faith gave me comfort maybe I wouldn't have to worry about not having embryos to freeze.

    Luckily those 2 precious embryos ,my miracles S & J ,are asleep in my bedroom.

    I am relieved I don't have any embryos left else with my christian beliefs I too would want to transfer all till the end.Given my age it would have been tricky plus with wanting to BF as long as possible.

    I respect we all have our own opinions and beliefs and I don't envy any one having to make such decisions. It is a mindfield whatever way you go.

    I would think under other circumstances I would have liked to donate any remaining embryos... given we have an adopted son and his mother gave us the privelege of parenting him -albeit a different way.

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    Just today I posted off my form to donate my last two embryos for research

    I would really like one more baby (we have 2 from IVF) but my DH is adament that we do no more IVF. He has agreed to leave it up to fate and if I do fall pregnant naturally well then so be it (I find this highly unlikey considering it has never worked before).

    So anyway I'm truely grateful for my precious babies but am not entirely happy with my decision. It is such a personal choice and a difficult one. It makes it so much more difficult when you don't agree with your partner (I'm hearing you Sush).

    I need to focus on my babies and be happy. Good luck with your decision.

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    Humphrey i can only imagine how you must be feeling at the moment and unfortunately after speaking with DH i am probably going to go down that road also so i guess the only thing i can take comfort in is knowing i am contributing to possibly one day finding cures to diseases, discovering new ways to make the IVF process easier and stem cell research.

    I know it's a stretch but i think that is how i will be able to sign those papers!

    I hope you are able to find peace with your decision :hugs:

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    Humphrey,
    I'm sure your little frozen bubs will help someone just like we had people before us may of helped us.
    Bec

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    Thanks girls. I thought all the emotional baggage associated with IVF was in my past - I guess it never really leaves us.

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