Rara - his tanty lasted all of a minute - one thing i'm well aware of is that i have a stubborn streak and i'll out-stubborn any kidlet! it didn't take much the yesterday - i think O is just too used to people giving into him - didn't work with me. i have no issue threatening to remove something and then, shock of shock, ACTUALLY removing it. only have to do it a few times with most kids and they learn. somehow i'm not sure it will work with ours though - with both DH and i being red=heads, this kid is going to have one huuuuuuuuuuuge stubborn streak!