God luv yta tiff you are a god send n thank you i don't know what i would do with out you jaded is the word alright i just got back from the gp who didn't really offer much assistance at all she did a bit of feeling around confirmed that bub has not venture past the pelvic brim "DER' any way she said that in her opinion i should get into my OB asap i nearly choked alot of tears and a near tantrum she offered another scan but she said unless there is bleeding she will not worry to much ( glad one of us isn't going to lose sleep) but just a question i am on 4 different medications for support through till 12 weeks 3 are progesterone and 1 is estrogen ???( not 100% sure on this on ) could there still be a dip in progesterone while taking all this ??? bring on the white coat with the shiney buckles and that nice comfy padded room 8-[