Pregnancy after LT TTC #13

hi girls I"ve been quickly popping on to see how everyone is everyday but haven't had time to post. as soon as i finish work, i'm at home and in bed for a nap, and i'm too tired to use computer of an evening. it's so rude i know and i promised persies last time, but i have to get ready for work again today..... off next week though yeh!

great news though. BT on wednesday showed hCG at 49 500 - according to clinic I'm 6wks 2 days then. The ranges for week 6 are low - 1600 med - 8000 high - 33000
and on Friday it was 61 000!!! so really pleased. the high for week 7 is 65 000 so we were v. relieved. I also felt like rubbish yesterday with nausea :-)

So now we're just biding our time till Tuesday morning, avoiding my parents till after Tuesday, cos that's when DH said we can tell them ;-)

really gotta go but welcome newbies and hope everyone's travelling well. xx

Great news airline!!!!!!! Of course your symptoms will come back now. Lol

Oh Airline YAY I was happy to hear your good results. How was work? Hope you are not too tired after the weekend.

Welcome to Sue and Shell, here's to a h&h 8 months for you both.

Sue and Brunette - everyone wonders how they will go being a mum but you will be great. Really, nothing changes inside of you, you are still the same person it's just that you have this little person / people to look after now. You will just get on with life and luckily you get to work it out as bub grows with you. I remember the first few days were the steepest learning curve but even before I left the hospital we had started some sort of routine. If there is one peice of advice I ever got that really helped it was this "feed them, wrap them, put them to bed". So true for a newborn thats all they need really. By the time they have a feed, change etc play time is over and it is sleep time again. In saying this, it worked really well for #1 but #2 never wanted to sleep whatever I did and I carried him around for a year!!! (he has just started sleeping through (sort of) at 2 years). The other thing I think you should do is trust your motherly instinct because it is usually right!

I would also have loved twins but know that I don't which is a bit disappointing. As I always wanted 4 kids and we have decided this will be the last one. But when I am sleep deprived and feeding all night I will probably be glad for just one!

I told my best friend yesterday. She lives quite a way away now, and came home for the weekend so it was good to tell her in person. And she can keep a secret which is good. Still waiting till after 12 week scan to tell everyone else although from the size of my belly already people are sure to notice....

Hope everyone is having a lazy Sunday like us. DH on a training day (he is into triathlon) so kids and I hanging out. DD still in PJs, and loving it.

Take care everyone

Hi Girls just checking in

Welcome and congratulations for Sue and Shelly Belly!

Airline that's great news on your blood test results!

I have my second scan tomorrow with the OB and praying everything is okay.

Sticky vibes to al

Hi Ladies,

Thanks for the warm welcome :)

Juniper, I too am very dry on the back of my hands, so wierd! Thought it was just the water or something! Wonder why that happens.
Oohh and I got my ticker working now too!

MaggiePie, thank you for the info on colds, I really didn't know what was safe to try, so I will try it out today. My inactive immune system is making me catch every little sniffle going around!

beachbaby, hope everything goes well for your scan tomorrow!

Enjoy your Sunday everyone, remember to take some time out to relax! :)

This morning forgot to say, Good Luck Paula and hope everything goes well. Let us know when things start happening!

Beachbaby, hope the scan goes well tomorrow, fingers crossed for you.

Have a question for everyone that I keep forgetting to ask... You know how you are not allowed to eat soft cheeses, does this include philli cream cheese? Is this stuff actually cheese or is it just called that so we feel better about eating it because it is sooo yummy?

Also, I know alot of people are having trouble sleeping. I am having these amazing vivid dreams. I can remember having the same with other pregnancies as well. What is this about? Anyone else having crazy dreams?

Hi girls.Just popping in to wish you all the best and hoping that all is going well for everyone.Belly rubs to all.
Paula~ Am always thinking of you.Cant wait to hear of Tiana's arrival via FB.
Ellie is doing great.She is now 3 weeks old...how time flies! She is still so skinny and teeny tiny but putting on weight.She is just devine.We have just started on formula as after 2 weeks of painful breastfeeding,i ended up with mastitis and bleeding nipples but as guilty as i feel for not BF,she is so content and is on a 4 hourly routine with formula.She would easily sleep through the night but i wake her at about 3am,change her nappy and feed her.
You girls will love being a mum.Ellie is wonderful.Its been very tiring,and i dont get much sleep but since we worked out the feeding issue,things have been really good.
I dont have time to log on much anymore but will try to catch up on how everyone is doing.
Please feel free to add me on FB...my name is Alicia Toner and my profile pic is of my little bubba.
Take care.xoxox

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You know how you are not allowed to eat soft cheeses, does this include philli cream cheese? Is this stuff actually cheese or is it just called that so we feel better about eating it because it is sooo yummy?

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The issue with soft cheeses is that some places use unpasteurised milk to make them. Most (if not all) of the mass-produced cheeses you buy in the supermarket are made from pasteurised milk. The problem is that you can't be 100% certain the milk is pasteurised so they advise us to avoid them in case. But, even if they're unpasteurised, if you cook them, they are supposed to be safe (the cooking kills the bacteria that pasteurisation would have killed). I have no idea about the cream cheese. I suspect being mass-produced it is probably safe, but it's worth asking questions of those who know more about it and have reliable information (rather than my hunch).

airline, great news! :D

Alicia, good to hear you've got things sorted out. Sorry to hear you had some issues, but I'm glad they're behind you now.

Afm, my DH seems to be completely oblivious sometimes... He has bleached the toilet. It is in our ensuite at the far end of the house and I can smell it from here. He doesn't seem to understand that, if I can smell it from here, I probably shouldn't go to where the fumes are strongest... Men!! Doesn't he realise I need to pee (and the other toilet is out of commission)?

Juniper my hubby is the same.... Today he cleaned the shower with 3 chemicals. Easy off bam, mould killer and tile cleaner!
He also always sprays the toilet sprays like 10 times! Grrr

Congratulations Dusty, a beautiful little girl Freya Molly, born 14th August, 4kgs 51cm.

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Hi ladies

Welcome to Sue and Shelly Belly hope you have a H&H pregnancy.

Airline - great results honey:dance:

Beachbaby -GL with your scan today hope it all goes well

Juniper & Jaki - Ladies you are lucky your DH cleans those places in the house!!! My DH would not know where or with what to clean our bathrooms. He would prob just wipe it down with a cloth and think he had done a good job;)

Maggiepie- like juniper said it has to do with unpasturised milk which really applies more in the states where they don't have to but here companies have to use pasturised milk. Philly cheese is fine to have according to my doc so i have had it on occasions. Hope that helps.

Paula - Hope you are holding your beautiful little girl this morning!

Ninah - hope everything went well with your induction and you and your bundle of joy are doing well.

I think i remember reading about someone having headaches (sorry can't remember who) i have had the worst headaches during the pregnancy which i don't usually get. My doc has told me that panadine is perfectly safe to take while pregnant cause it is paracetomol based, so if they get really bad there is an option. Panadol did nothing for my headaches they were like eating lollies.

Hello and bellyrubs to everyone else, hope you are all well.

AFM - DH is starting to count down God love him. The weeks do seem to be going much quicker now. I finally felt the baby kick the other night, what a weird feeling. My placenta is at the front which is why it has taken so long, and will prob be a bit longer before it is a really strong kick. I don't mind though so long as i can feel it. Have started to buy more things now also, which is fun. Restricting cause we aren't finding out the sex so everything is white!

Also to all the new ladies not on the list let me know your due date when you feel comfortable enough to have it up on the list. I know some people like to wait a bit before they feel 'safe' enough to put it up. Just let me know and i will update the list:p

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My doc has told me that panadine is perfectly safe to take while pregnant cause it is paracetomol based, so if they get really bad there is an option.

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I had a long chat with my GP about this a couple of weeks ago since I only had panadeine at home and not plain panadol. When he looked it up in the book, it is Category A (ie safe for pg), but there was a little star next to it. The problem is that codeine, being an opiate, can depress respiration and other systems. In early pg that's probably not a big deal, but later on it could be inadvisable. His conclusion was that it was okay to take sparingly, but that plain paracetamol was a better option. I'm not saying not to take it, especially if your doctor has said it's okay, I'm just suggesting you might want to keep their use to a minimum.

Jaki and Juniper, I'm with Renee: count your blessings your hubbies are cleaning the house, esp the toilet! Just replace the bleach etc with something more friendly ;) We have three toilets in our house, and even though I usually use only one, I am always cleaning them, replacing toilet rolls and the overflowing bins! Aaaaagh!

Airline, with the HcG level you had, is it possible you're having twins? (Can you tell I'm hoping other ladies are also having twins :) )

Ninah and Paula, thinking of you both. Ninah, hope the induction went well and Paula, hoping that not hearing from you is because you have Tiana in your arms.

Renee, how beautiful you finally felt your baby kick. It's a great sensation, isn't it? Sometimes it feels a bit weird when Twin 1 keeps constantly kicking, then Twin 2 chimes and kicks back! Nice that your hubby is doing the countdown now, instead of counting up the weeks. I just had a look at the list and freaked out a little because I'm only about 7th or 8th from the top!!! I'm not ready yet; enjoying how quiet the babies are in utero hee, hee.

Wantbaby, lovely to hear from you. Don't beat yourself up about stopping BF and using formula; you did your best and that's what makes you a good parent. Hugs and kisses to Ellie.

Maggie, I too had really weird dreams in my first trimester. They've stopped since hitting the second trimester. Thanks for the tip on feeding, changing and sleeping newborns being all they really need. I think I had worked myself into a tizz from reading this book and its regimented methods of what to do virtually every minute of the day! It's funny how you say you really wanted twins; I am suffering singleton envy thinking how lovely it would be to get the sporty three-wheel prams to go jogging in, how nice it would be to just feed one baby, change one baby, wash one baby etc etc. Of course, in saying that I wouldn't have it any other way because I already love them both so much. I'm just thinking of all the extra work involved in two!

Welcome and a H&H 9 months, Shelly!

Sweetie, we'll have to wait till your 7-week scan to see if you have one or two in there, hey? How exciting!

Re the discussion on soft cheeses, I would just like to add how everything these days seems to have soft cheese in it, or smoked salmon, or cold cuts of meat! At my best friend's wedding a week ago entree was a choice of smoked salmon and salad, or ricotta parcels in a tomato sauce. I was not happy, Jan. Had to settle for a bread roll with butter. I am over it and looking forward to the days where I can eat everything again :)


AFM, I have sore feet, slight swelling too I suspect from sock marks I'm getting, a sore back, a sore coccyx, sore shoulders from lying predominantly on my sides .... Aaaagh! I'm seeing my OB this afternoon and have a list of questions to ask, inc how I can reduce swelling/soreness in my feet. A recent BT showed a higher than normal cholesterol level, too. Has anyone else been tested for this recently and had a similar result?

Congratulations Dusty on the birth of your little girl Freya!
Brunette hope the swelling eases up but as long as your B/P is fine, Drs generally just tell you to keep your feet up as much as possible.
Welcome Sue & Shell and hope this pregnancy ride is a smooth one for you both.
Great news airline. Will be so exciting telling the parents.
Alicia great to hear Ellie is doing well xx
Juniper & Jaki you lucky ladies having your hubbies cleaning the bathrooms for you. As long as your not sniffing the bottles, you will be fine.
Renee kicks surely are a great part of pregnancy.

Well ladies, i am still here!!! Not feeling any different. Have lost my mucus plug but apparently that can happen up to 2 weeks before labour so doesnt really help me. Have my OB appointment in about an hour so will see what he has to say!

Lol, while DH is good at swishing some domestos around the toilet bowl from time to time, I should point out that he only does the bowl itself, so the toilet isn't completely clean. The rest of the bathroom is also a mess because I haven't felt up to doing it. I normally do the shower regularly, but that exit mould stuff is overwhelming in a confined space so I haven't even done that recently. I just didn't want anyone feeling too jealous when the reality is that your bathrooms are probably cleaner than mine. ;)

Paula, darn, I was hoping for different news! GL with the appointment. I hope it goes well. FX that your wait is almost over!

Brunette, I don't know if that was one of the (10,000) things on the b/t our OB ordered. I guess I'll find out at our next appt on Friday. FX your OB has some good advice for helping your feet feel better.

Renee, yay for feeling bub kick!

Paula, I had my BP tested a week ago and it was the best it's been since falling PG: 120/75, so that's good. I'll try putting my feet up whenever I can :) GL with you appt this afternoon. If they do that sweep thing, I hope it doesn't hurt too much. Surely not long to go now!

Juniper, you made me laugh about DH cleaning only the bowl. Still a pretty good effort for a male, I reckon. If your OB ordered a number of BTs for you, no doubt one was a full blood count which should also check your cholesterol levels. If so, I'd be really interested to see if yours has been affected due to PG.

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the good advice on the philli issue. I seem to be addicted to philli on toast at the moment. And the morning sickness has kicked in big time (no vomiting FX) but seedy all day long. My DS wears cloth nappies but after nearly throwing up rinsing them off yesterday today I am using disposable and trying not to feel guilty.

Brunette - I remember for swelling with #1 (born Jan so bad towards the end in the heat) a daily dip in the pool was great to get the swelling down. Standing in water at neck height is the equivalent pressure of something like 2 compression bandages on your feet. So if you spend 20 minutes in there the swelling goes down heaps. It will come back of course but it does provide some nice relief. Check your socks too, they shouldn't have a tight band around the top. "all day socks" are good, you can get them at Kmart. Also make sure that your undies / waistband isn't tight anywhere as this can slow down circulation in the lower limbs and make it worse. And so can lying flat on your back for longer than 10 minutes, as this can also slow down the circulation and also decrease circulation to the baby. Elevation will definately help too, whenever you can. Hope some of these suggestions help you...

As for cholesterol don't know if it is a routine test, I asked my Dr to get it done as I needed a copy for work anyway. Didn't think pregnancy usually affected but unsure really. You would have known if you had cholesterol tested as you have to fast for 8 hours before the test.

Paula - hope the appointment goes well. Bub will come when ready, but so hard to be patient after nine months hey? The sweep thing sounds icky. With #1 they broke my waters and it felt awful and I would never get it done again (plus for me it didn't hurry things along at all). I had some friends who had it done and didn't mind though so its probably just me. Hoping they just let bub decide when to come???

Renee - glad you got to feel bub kick, how exciting!

Alicia - glad to hear Ellie going great, sounds like you are a natural.

On the whole cleaning issue - I can never stand the smell of all that strong cleaning stuff. We use ajax on the toilet and Enjo mits in the bathroom and kitchen. If we get slack and the shower is a bit out of control DH will use spray stuff which I feel is suffocating me! But he knows only to do it when I will be gone for a few hours! The way I am now I would probably throw up on him!

Hope everyone is having a great Monday!

Brunette, in my case, a high result would more likely be due to bad diet... It's been almost 4 years since it was last tested (we went to the GP a few months before we started TTC), so hard to know if any change would be due to the pg or if it happened before. I know DH's is very high (his life insurance application was rejected because of it, but mine was approved without testing).

ps My mind is totally not on my work today. I was trying to be good this morning, but now I'm looking for distractions, hence the repeated checking in...

Hi Ladies,
It's hard to keep up in here at the moment! great to see some new ladies in here, welcome and hoping you have a h and h pregnancy :)

Paula – hoping you get some updates soon, but babies seem to arrive when they want to rather than when WE want them to.

Renee – great news you can feel the baby kicking – it’s such an amazing experience.

Dusty – congratulations on the birth of Freya!

Sweetie – If it helps at all, I have discovered that extremely high HCG levels DON'T necessarily mean you are having twins – although I know Brunette would love a twin buddy in here! My HCG levels were WAY above anything I could find on any website telling me anything other than I was having at least twins and easily triplets. I spent two weeks stressing about it (having a child already and then having twins was not the ideal) - but I only have one healthy little bubba in there. I only had one embryo replaced and with both pregnancies my HCG levels were way above any ‘normal’ levels and my due date hasn’t changed so they numbers just were ridiculously high all on their own! Make sure you are comparing the same dpo as people quote HCG levels without making any reference to their dpo which means you really can’t compare them.

Hi to everyone I have missed! :)

Drugs for headaches - Both Paracetamol and Codeine are class A, but like Juniper said, use codeine only when you need it and not long-term. I cannot stress enough that a GP is not the best person to ask about whether a drug is safe in pregnancy. In the past three months I have been prescribed three drugs from two different GP’s (one was a locum) and all are harmful during pregnancy, even though I told both I was pregnant. Doctors don’t generally know without looking up their ‘book’ which as I have discovered means they know not more than us. A specialist GP who deals with pregnancy, a midwife or OB is going to be much better than a GP but your pharmacist is the best person to give advice as it’s their job to know about the impacts of the pharmacy items they are dispensing. If it wasn’t for me asking the pharmacists to double check they are safe in pregnancy, all three drugs could have caused serious problems for me and the baby. I was talking about this on Saturday to one of my mother’s groups friends who is a lecturer in pharmacy and was horrified after talking to her that it is all too common for doctors to recommend in particular over the counter drugs that aren’t safe for pregnancy.

Soft cheeses –As Juniper says you CAN eat pasteurised soft cheeses including Brie and Camembert which we are all 'told' not to eat. The warning for soft cheeses is aimed at countries where cheeses aren’t pasteurised. You can read if a cheese is pasteurised on the ingredients as they clearly say pasteurised milk on them if they are made from it - which obviously you check if you are out at a party. I had a big discussion with my OB about this as I had food poisoning at 29 weeks from eating cooked fish with my DD which is the reason I know this. I still won’t eat cold meats, cold cooked or uncooked seafood or food at parties etc where I don’t know where they have been though, going back to using good old common sense :)

AFM – Had my scan last week and have one healthy bubba measuring the right size. I think it’s a boy but of course have absolutely no idea if it is! Still pretty sick but are starting to feel better which is VERY exciting.

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This is very true. My SIL is a pharmacist and she has seen patients come in with two prescriptions issued by the same doctor at the same time, that when taken together would have killed the patient. Some doctors are oblivious when it comes to the medications they prescribe. When I called my OB about my cold, I was just told to speak to a pharmacist and find out what they recommended. The only trick is finding a good pharmacist (skip the discount chemists and go to a more traditional pharmacy where they are more willing to spend the time giving advice).

Lairdoz, glad to hear bub is doing well. Good to hear you're starting to feel better too!

Checking in alot today but figured I should as will be busy at work the rest of the week!

Lairdoz - great to hear that your scan went well, and that you are starting to feel better.

All this talk about medications is a bit scary - I had a double course of antibiotics when I was first pregnant for my sinus infection. Dr said they were class A which is ok to take. I didn't check with the pharmacist as I knew the girl working there and had only just found out I was preg. And she can't keep a secret so didn't want to tell her. I suppose it's no use worrying about it now.

Does anyone know how early you can find out the sex of the baby?

After my DS woke up today I was giving him a cuddle and found nits in his hair. Gross. Found 4 of the little suckers. Went to pharmacy and got the 'natural' stuff as she said the chemical stuff can hurt the scalp. Then had to remove bedding for all our beds and remake them. Washing tonight and will probably take to mums in morning to put in dryer as there is no stop to the rain at the moment.

Well might go and crash in front of tv. My head feels itchy!!!

Thanks MaggiePie - now MY head is itchy!!!!!!

Hi to everyone, sorry I haven't been on for a while, this new job is 8hrs of staring at a computer screen and very much data entry, so I'm trying to do my share and not let the team down as I feel like I'm not up to their speed. I've always managed staff, not been one of the staff taking directions so this is really strange for me. I can't just take 15mins to slack off (and jump on here), and when I get home there's housework and couch time and napping to do.

Won't do many persies, but Renee congrats on reaching the halfway mark and feeling those kicks through your placenta, mine's at the back but I don't know how much the placenta ends up shifting position during the 9mths?

Brunette - glad you enjoyed your friend's wedding and mini babymoon. Hope it wasn't too cold down there for you, although with your two littlies you'd be running pretty warm body temp-wise wouldn't you? We also bought up a few things at the Big W sale, but unlike you I had to stick to neutrals :-( grabbed 2 doz cloth nappies, although I don't know how long I can keep up the the whole 'cloth' thing but I'm going to give it a red hot poke.

Paula - good news that the mucous plug 'fell out' (um, is that the right term? maybe I should just say 'lost' your mucous plug!), so hopefully you should be posting your good news within the next week - yay!

OMG I'm like 6th or 7th on the list - how did THAT happen so quickly!? I hope time with new baby doesn't fly as quick as the pregnancy has. Had my 4th nose bleed today, super gross, that's one pregnancy thing that I won't miss. Other than that, and a sore back (probably more from not moving from my desk for 8hrs) I am flying through this pregnancy and feel fantastic! I LOVE my belly, I've put on about 5.5kg so far and am on track for about 13-15kg all up.

Welcome to all the newly UTD ladies and I hope your 9mths is smooth sailing.

Chrissy xx.

Hi Everyone!
So great to see so many new people! Congrats Sue and Shelly!
Hope everyone's well.
Renee, congrats on reaching halfway and feeling kicks. I wonder about that all the time, what will it feel like etc? It must be amazing. Also, feel free to add me to the list (EDD is 7 Feb).
Lairdoz, so glad to hear that your scan went well!
MaggiePie, I remember getting nits quite a bit at primary school and my mum using that really nasty "comb" which was just like a flat piece of metal with tiny slits in it. God, that was painful. We also used vinegar (and another chemical that's probably banned now - it was the 80s!). Anyway, the nurse used to try and comfort the kids by saying they only like "the best hair". Maybe say that to your DH! I'm sure he'd appreciate it! Also I think that you can find out the sex at your 20 week scan (or earlier, maybe even 14 weeks onwards, possibly?).
Hi to everyone else!
AFM, just feeling hungry always and a bit wiped out mentally.

Maggie, thanks for all the tips on reducing swelling. I'm at home today and about to go upstairs and find my swimsuit to see if I still fit into it! Then I'll have a dip in our local pool this weekend :) You can find out the sex of your baby at the 12-week scan, although it's probably not as accurate as the 20-week scan. Our sonographer was 75-80% sure of gender at the 12-week scan and 95% sure at the 20-week scan. You obviously didn't find out the gender the 1st time round with your son? Sorry to hear MS has started for you. Did you get it when PG with your son?

Juniper, re the cholesterol issue, saw our OB yesterday and apparently the reason mine is high (or higher than usual) is due to being PG. Cholesterol is a derivative of oestrogen, or vice versa. So that makes sense.

Lairdoz, you are right; I would like a twin buddy in here :redface: Good to hear your scan went well and MS is starting to ease for you.

Hi Chrissy, was at my OB's yesterday and thought about you as I walked past your OB's office ;) You sound really busy with work and home commitments. It is scary just how fast our pregnancies are going, isn't it? You're 6th or 7th on the list and I think I'm 8th (although I'll probably beat you and a few before me, as I doubt I'll get to my EDD of 24 December!) I'm starting to appreciate and savour the peace and quiet that no doubt will forever be shattered once the twins arrive! I didn't see any cloth nappies at Big W; damn, as I wanted to get some - not for the babies bottoms but for spillage purposes, burping etc. I'm not even trying cloth nappies; it's disposables all the way for me, as I doubt I'll have enough time to sneeze let alone wash 18 nappies or more a day. I've put on 5.6 kilos so far, so only 0.1 more than you :p I'm quite scared about how much more I'm going to have to carry around. My OB never seems concerned about weight whenever I bring it up with him.

AFM, as I say above, had an appt with our OB yesterday and apparently I'm cooking these babies just fine. My BP was the lowest yet, at 120/70. Nothing much to be concerned about re sore feet, swelling, sore back and coccyx - just side-effects of being UTD, I'm afraid :shakehead: Quickly saw both bubs and heartbeats. They had moved a bit and both of their heads were quite close together at this look - how cute.

Eeek! Just booked the dentist for tomorrow. It's embarrassing to say, but it's been 17.5 years since I saw a dentist, so this may be scary... :hide:

Maggie, GL eradicating those nits. I remember mum buying this orange stuff when my sister's class had an outbreak...

Chrissy, good work on the weight management! I hope I can do as well as you.

Brunette, good to hear the appt went well! Sounds like you're doing a great job!

Afm, aside from facing my fear and calling a dentist, today I'm quite hungry. I bought some muesli bars to keep in my desk and at this rate they may not last the week. So, I think I'll go make a cheese & tomato toasted sandwich...

ok ladies a few things happened today. I shaved my legs for the first time in 2weeks since my last acupuncture appointment (welllll, it's winter and I can't be bothered doing much right now!) but it was in honour of my appointment with my FS. I had an internal scan and yes, yes, yes we saw a strong heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soo soo happy. Tears were shed by me and DH.
We didn't hear or know beats per minute, but Dr said it was a good strong one. Before he scanned he asked how I felt and when I said nausea and fatigue, he said he's not really interested in the nausea, it's the tiredness that means a healthy pregnancy going on. He said he was confident we'd see a heartbeat and he was right. He also amended the due date from the one his receptionist gave me. He took the tranfer date of FET and subtracted the no. of days old the embryo was and so he predicted 7wks 4days today, which was corroborated with the scan. So new due date, therefore new ticker (again!) of 30th March!! ;-)

He was very reassuring and said once you've seen a heartbeat then 98% pregnancys go to healthy full term. I gave him a big hug when we left....even though he was on holiday when I had the transfer, he made us feel better about the whole situation we were in.

Moving up and down the screen doesn't make me feel very well, so I'm going for a nap and will write some persies tonight when DH is working.
Yeh I get to tell my parents on Thursday x ps ok soooo confused. FS said 7wks 4 days, scan said the same, but when I put in due date for ticker it says 7wks 6 days!!?? I give up, but we all know baby will come when it wants to!

Airline - congratulations!! Were you told your due date or your gestation? If you were told your due date is the 30th of March, then you are indeed 7 weeks and 6 days, but if you were told your gestation was 7 weeks and 4 days (hope this makes sense as some of the ultrasound machines tell you your gestation not your due date) then you would be due April 1. They tend to tell you your gestation rather than your due date as it's not really much concern to the FS when you due, but rather than your bubba's measurements match their gestation.

Either way - everything looks great for you! Hope you are enjoying this exciting time, albeit with the joy of nausea and lethargy!
xxx

Juniper - Good luck with the Dentist, my DH never goes and loves telling me he has no fillings ;)
Brunette - How cute, your little bubbas head close together. That must have been magical.

HI to everyone in here - I find I get interrupted writing persies from a certain small person so apologies if I miss people as I try to race my thoughts down to say hello!

Airline, that's great news! I agree with Lairdoz about the dating. In reality, a day or two either way doesn't matter much now, but could matter if bub is late at the end. Then again, you may want to be induced a couple of days early by that point?

Thanks Lairdoz. Good to know I'm not the only one with keen avoidance skills. I've got fillings from the school dentist (which they did without any anaesthetic because I wouldn't let them near me with a needle and they didn't have gas). The school dentist also tried to break my jaw because my bite is wrong. So, there's a reason I've avoided dentists over the years...

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Airline i added you to the list hope that is ok.

Also does anyone know SonyaLouise? Her name was on the list before i joined and there is no due date so not real sure if she has had her bub or not.

Renee, sorry can't help you with Sonya Louise. I don't think she's posted since I've been on the thread.

Juniper, OMG I can't believe it's been 17 and a half years since you've been to the dentist. I'm my dentist's best friend (due to number of root canals and crowns) but she's just lovely. The best. If you want a good dentist, let me know and I'll PM you her details. GL for your appt tomorrow!

Airline, that's fantastic that you saw your baby's heartbeat. It is very emotional, isn't it? That's a really high stat that your OB gave you about 98% chance of a viable PG once you see a heartbeat. I wish my FS had told me the same thing at 5 weeks when we had bleeding and a pretty big blood clot (threatened miscarriage) because it would have been extremely reassuring. We had heaps of scans from 5 weeks to about 8 weeks and the heartbeats were seen each and every time! I was put on bed rest until 12 weeks and given virtually no reassurance as to what would happen. Aaaagh, doctors! Bet you can't wait to tell your parents the news this Thursday. Interesting, too, what your OB said about fatigue (as opposed to MS) being an indicator of a healthy PG.

Re the gestation versus EDD, I thought the gestation date indicated on US machines was effected by the size/measurement of the baby. In other words, it can be an earlier date than your EDD if the baby is going well in the growth stakes, and it can be a later date than your EDD if the baby is a little slower in the growth department. Is my understanding right in this? I'm confused now.

Renee
cheers m'dear, that's great, v. happy to join such and esteemed list :-) I meant to write that but my bed was calling me!

Re. dentists, I used to be really bad at going, but now go every 6 months and sadly have a lot of fillings at back of mouth. I had pain for a while and had the first part of root canal done :-0 the same week as my transfer!! I had to tell the dentist about the IVF so he could pack the tooth to hopefully last the whole pregnancy, cos he didn't want me to have x rays whilst pregnant. I said to him, bet you didn't think you'd be talking about IVF at your work today!!

Lairdoz & juniper, he used the phrase due date so i'm guessing due date not gestational.

The other thing that was comforting about this FS/OB was his easy manner and relaxed attitude. He said eat and drink whatever you want, the baby will take what it needs from you at this stage, so due to nausea eat what you fancy. I immediately thought of pizza! Pleased with myself tonight though, had baked salmon - well only ate half and a roll with cheese and vegemite. Had a night off vegies.

Sorry Brunette....there was def. only one little heartbeat in there, but I'm sure someone will join us soon who will have two squirming away inside!

Ok, so 7wks and 6days eh?! That decision's been made, and very happy we are! Thank you Lairdoz for advice on that.xx

Brunette, I suspect those percentages only apply when they see a heartbeat on a scan and no evidence of complications. In your case, I doubt the same statistic would have applied - it would be hard to apply the 98% success rate and the term "threatened miscarriage" at the same time. For what it's worth, I was told 95% at the first scan and 98% at the second (with everything looking normal).

Juniper, you're right; makes no sense to be talking about a threatened miscarriage and giving a 98% chance of viability. I'm trying to remember now what odds he gave us, but placenta brain is playing havoc with my memory! .... No, I can't remember but I do remember it was higher before having another bleed and then he dropped the percentage again. Still, we have two little stickies inside and FX they stay put at least until 36-37 weeks.

Airline, I think we may have posted at the same time. Drat that you're not having twins! It's funny, though, how both DH and I both felt pretty sure we were having twins as soon as we got the initial HcG level, even though our FS wouldn't comment when we put it to him about possibly having twins. We just knew that we were. You've certainly got strong levels there for one bubba!

Hi everyone,

Brunette, thanks for the info about finding out the sex. DH is really keen, he wants to see if he can work it out himself on the US! So we will probably find out just for something different, although I am still unsure. But then I don't want DH knowing if I don't either...

Worrywart - I did get one of those combs but now they are plastic and don't hurt at all. I do remember them from primary school. I can't remember getting nits alot but my cousins all had really long hair and they had them all the time. Checked again today and can't see any so FX.

Chrissie - your job sounds tedious, I hope that you aren't wearing yourself out too much. Maybe stretch every 15 minutes to keep the circulation going? How do you manage in the after lunch sleepy time?

Juniper - good luck at the dentist! I'm sure you will be fine.

Airline - fantastic news about the heartbeat, I am so happy for you! Your numbers were so high I am surprised you aren't having twins but there must be one strong bubba in there. Your OB sounds so good - eat what you want etc. What a great Dr to put you at ease. Great about the tiredness thing too, must mean I have a strong bub as well.

AFM - had long day a work today. Had a committment tonight but cancelled as just too tired to go. Feeling on verge of sinus thing again, just can't get it to go away completely. M/S has set in just about all day, especially at night. And if I wake up in the middle of the night feel so hungry it's insane! Anyway time to hit the lounge.

Take care everyone

% stats? I think at my blubbery 6w3d first scan (was due to be scanned a week later but due to the bleeding I panicked and rushed myself in) I was told about 75-80% or so, because of the bleeding.

Airline, your FS sounds awesome, is he also an OB that you'll go to once you are classed as an obstetrics patient, not an IVF patient (which I think was about 12 weeks or so).

Sorry Renee, Sonya Louise doesn't sound familiar - wonder if London Miss is lurking in one of the parenting threads and could tell you? I wonder how she's going with Charlotte? I sure do miss her wit.

So I've been meaning to get to the dentist for a clean, and I think I might have a hole or two as occassionally gets a bit sensitive - anyone know what is safe to get done?

Oh, I've been checking out Family Assistance etc and some of you might recall that I'll have a redundancy payment this year (end of November), well because I'm earning my salary plus getting my redundancy in this financial year I won't qualify for Family Assistance A or B. Thankfully the Baby Bonus is based on your earnings in the 6mths AFTER baby's birth (obviously I won't be earning anything then), so at least that's a little something for me. Oh, and the Paid Parental thingee that all the pollies are talking about - well you have to have (or adopt) your child on or after 1st Jan 2011. So Renee & Glenny, hopefully you can cook your buns a little longer and then you'll have that up your sleeve to help with costs.

Belly rubs to all, Chrissy.

ok the m/s has not been as bad tonight,so I'm gonna do a bit of scrolling up and down so I can write some replies....then bed, for the 2nd time today;-)

brunette...yeh, I just realised we posted at the same time! Juniper's probably right though re. the %s being completely different for a singleton compared to twins, esp. if there were any complications like bleeding. The good news is though you're happy and healthy..all 3 of you! My girlfriend had twins (one boy one girl) this year with IVF. They got baptised on Sunday and it went well. She's doing a marvellous job and I'm very impressed with her capability. She goes to a multiple birth group, so that'll be something for you to look into at some point.

yeh, interesting what FS said re. m/s but I guess noone really knows what causes m/s. I can have it when I'm eating or just eaten, so it's not an empty tummy etc. My girlfriend had 3 pregnancies with 3 healthy bubs and no m/s whatsoever. I think we all complain of fatigue though ;-)

Maggiepie - you're right my new FS is a treasure. I would heartily recommend him to anyone, and his receptionist is a doll too, which when you freak out and phone up about extra BTs etc is really important. My last FS's receptionist was his wife, and although he was fine, we didn't take to her much.

I know just what you mean about being hungry in the middle of the night. Twice this week I've woken up and had a couple of slices of hard cheese, at midnight and 3am!.....I figured if I keep eating a dry biscuit everytime I'll be the size of a house before long. That reminds me, I must weigh myself tomorrow, I have no idea how much I weigh right now and I'd like to keep track.

CK77 - sadly cos he's in the city and we're northside, we've decided to go with a different OB. I just hope I like him as much, but I guess I could always change.

That family assistance malarky sounds pretty confusing. I know folk with kids who don't really know how it works. Am I right in thinking that the Paid Parental is instead of the baby bonus, not as well as?

Right off to bed now, sweet dreams ladies and bumps xx

I've not really looked into the paid parental leave yet but I'm curious as I've heard it's means tested. My hubby earns to much so I don't think we will get any family assistance or baby bonus. And I expect to miss out on the leave pay too :(
Its kind of annoying when we already got ripped off with our latest Ivf Medicare rebate. Which I've heard will be going back up! I think if it does we shud all be backpaid for K-ruds dumb desision!

Renee I just thought I'd let you know for your next list posting my EDD is 28th march.

I'm also going to the dentist soon! Aren't we all brave soldiers!

My m/s is getting worse too. And like some of you it's all day and night sickness. I can never figure out what I want to eat!
My insomnia is getting worse too :(

x

Jaki- I believe the paid leave is means tested on Your income- not combined. I believe it goes on your income for the 12 months prior to having the baby and is $150K.

That's the advice I've been given anyway as we are in the same boat as you- DH earns too much for us to get the baby bonus but we've been told we can get the paid leave.

good luck juniper at the dentist today!! and to the rest of you who are heading to that scary place!!
Jaki I think glenny is right re the paid leave so hopefully you will be alright for it. My insomnia's bad too! It's always about 3 something till at least 4 something I'm awake. I wonder if it's preparation for that night feed?!!

off to acupuncture today....hopefully I'll snooze there too :-)