Pregnancy after LT TTC #16

WELCOME to the world Anna Mary! :) :) :)

sounds like you did a fantastic job ww! we have all been hanging out to hear this wonderful news. Hang in their with the BF... it does get easier :) take care of yourelf and that precious little girl oxox

good luck tomorrow possums! and OneDay - the 7 week scan is so nerve wracking, good luck huny and fingers crossed for you. :)

kaybee - i just picked up two gorgeous little outfits from a little baby boutique... so they weren't cheap (ssshhh don't tell dh!). But i usually get my baby clothes from garage sales, big w and friends.... I'm not buying much even if it is a girl (we are totally geared for a boy as it is) cos I know my mum and sister will go nutso and buy heaps of stuff lol.

Got a lovely swim in this arvo after DH got home. it was so needed, my back is really starting to hurt and my body is just feeling really taxed... this was how i felt at full term with DS... suppose the price you pay for 2 in 18months.

hope you are all well. sorry couldn't do every persie tonight a bit tired. oxox

Congrats worrywart!!!!!! how exciting, it brought tears to my eyes to read it as i know just how special that moment would really be after such a hard journey! all the best to you and bub xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WW: Big congrats on the safe arrival of Anna, even though things didn't go to plan I'm happy that you feel joy that your little girl arrived safely and that is what matters the most.

Good luck to our girls havign scans today, I'll be waiting for news..

I wish I could do perssies for everyone, but I'm soooooo tired and uncomfortable that thinking is so hard... My belly is now HUGE and the boys as getting very squashed as evidenced by not just the kicks but now when they roll around my tummy distends in all different places. The latest is that they seem to now roll at the same time which means I get stretched out at all angles... and my OB wants them to be double this size when they arrive. DH is still certain they will come early so I'm trying to now get our bedroom sorted out so we can set up the babies area as I don't want to wait until the last minute, but having an active toddler running around the house doesn't help. Our little miss has now decided that throwing tanties when she is not happy is now the way to go, which means when she cracks it and goes all limpp and floppy the only way I can get her to move is pick her up... Not what I need another 10kg's + to lugg around on my hip. I can't wait until my parents return from holidays in 2 weeks time so they can take her for a couple of hours for me so I can have a break (read: run around doing all the stuff I need to do without having to drag DD with me).

Oh and I know my tummy is now bigger than when pregnant with DD as my belly button in now of the verge of popping out. This never happened with DD due to al the scars from my numerous laps, but this time around the bits that can pop out have.

Take care everyone and sending you all belly rubs..

Congrats WW!! I'm thrilled to hear Anna has safely arrived and you're starting to get to know each other. I'm glad you are so at peace with her birth not going as planned - that is something I have really struggled with. And I hear you on the carpal tunnel! Five weeks on I've still got that and the swollen feet!

congratulations WW on the safe arrival of Anna! so pleased for you and lovely to hear you sounding so happy...and good luck with the BF. Glad you are OK with the birth not going as you had planned also .... enjoy getting to know precious Anna

oneday- good luck with your scan!! hope it's great

kelly- thinking of you with those boys squashed in there

grub- glad you had a lovely swim...I find swimming so relaxing

lori- glad your results were all in the right ranges and not high risk... we've been looking at names too...we can't seem to agree at the moment, lol, but have a few favourites

afm- off to the clinic today for a check up and looking forward to that. And yes, oneday, I guess I am still a worrier, but I am also very happy and loving being pregnant, if that makes sense...overall happy, but moments of worry and panic thrown in here and there :-) hopefully that's how you will feel as you progress along also...gradually week by week it feels more real

just wanted to report that all went well today!...heard the heartbeat and all checks etc showed I am healthy and all on track (although need a bit more iron) . Happy.

great news possums!!!

Juniper - love the pic in your sig!!! come over to the parently after LTTC thread woman!!!

kelly - OMG that must be scary to think they need to be double in size! but do remember our bodies are made for this. I get so tired with DS and I've only got one kid inside me so i really feel for you... and the tanties! yep they arrived here a couple of weeks ago... same thing, just goes floppy and screams... not squeals at the top of his voice. All I can say is go to the grapes if you are shopping as that'll shut em up for an aisle or two lol

grub and kelly- those tantrums sound testing! hang in there

CONGRATZ WW!!!

Im sorry girls thats all i can muster up, i am so exhausted :(
Will do a better post tomoz.
xx

ok ladies scan went well! it was the best moment ever! but they are saying im only 5 weeks and 5 days when i thought i was 7 weeks today? thats what the clinic told me. Did anyone else have this prob? the heart beat was 101 pm and bub is 1.1cm :0) it was amazing to see the heart beat xxxxx

Hi everyone

Hope you are all well, sorry have been missing lately have been ill with a cough then a virus then away on holidays. Had a temperature last night and woke up sweating so I hope everything is alright with bub, my next appointment is Thursday though. Its hard waiting a month between appointments now.

WW - Huge Congratulations so glad your little girl arrived safe and sound.

Oneday - Belated congratulations, have seen you a little in the IVF 2 WW threads and am so excited all is going well atm. So good to see the heartbeat.

Big Hello to everyone else! :wave: Hope to catch up more soon!!

Worrywart - Yay Yay Yay! That's the best news ever. Huge Congrats on the safe arrival of baby Anna. I have everything crossed for your BF. I'm sure it will work out for you.

Oneday - Try not to panic (I know I know....hard). If the clinic were happy with everything and you got a strong heartbeat then it all sounds very positive. I know that my dates changed a lot in the first couple of scans, and I had quite a few leading up to the 12 week mark. Sending you hugs and positive vibes to get through the crazy 1st tri and everything that goes along with that ;)

I take my hat off to you ladies who have little ones to care for and another on the way. I feel as if this is going to be my only one so I may never know what it's like trying to balance all of that. You're doing a great job!

AFM - MS is backing off. But what is making me gag is this constant phlegm dripping down the back of my throat. For some reason it sets off my gag reflexes. So unless I spend all day trying to hack it up, it becomes very difficult. ALLERGIES!!!! AAAARGH!!! Tummy is looking like I'm bloated after a huge feed. Just waiting for my 1st appt with OB on Monday. Not sure he'll do a scan with my low lying placenta??? I did something the other day and pulled a muscle in my tummy. At first I thought I'd done something to that placenta - it freaked me out!!!

Also, does anyone else have really vivid, adventurous dreams? Gosh just about ever night is another one. I can't ever remember having so many of these active dreams!!! It's kind of fun, but also exhausting.

Aimee- sorry you havent been well, best of luck for your next appt...I find it tough waiting for appointments too

oneday- glad you had a good scan! I am not sure about the difference in your measurements... I think with IVF, your dates (ie 7 weeks) are normally pretty accurate, because the guesswork of when you ovulated etc is taken out. Did they give you any possible explanations? If you have any questions you can always call your clinic or FS...I find asking is better than worrying, even on small things. Seeing the heartbeat is a good sign...maybe your bub just implanted a bit later than usual, hence being a bit behind. Or there can just be variations in dates sometimes. when do you have your next scan now?

jaki- thinking of you, not long now!

afm- returned to yoga last night (was waiting until 14 weeks and second tri) and can feel it today! lol...felt good to stretch and breath though ...

good on you possums for getting back inot the yoga! that'll serve you so well throughout the pregnancy and birth :)

oneday - i had been given three different dates - june 26, july 1 and now june 23. At my 12 week scan i showed a week ahead! all this with FET so they knew exactly when what was put in where lol. so long as bub has good hb and continues to grow strong, it's all good. but there seems to be a fair bit of discrepancy in these things.

aimee - are you feeling better hun? that sounds horrid. yeah I hate waiting for appointments. I finally have one tomorrow - was supposed to be a fortnight ago but a little cyclone cancelled it! i'll get the results of my 20 week scan, done nearly a month ago! pft

oh jaki - just post when you can hun. and get some sleep oxx

omg MindHugs - that sounds feral! i find my gag reflex is super sensitive with this pregnancy. wasn't with DS but this one, i've got a terribly weak tummy. but hey, if it isn't one thing it's another with pregnancy!! hope you have at least one week where you just feel wonderful! Oh with the tummy muscle thing, mine are always 'pulling' or 'spasming' ... when i sneeze, when i get up too quick, when i swim, cough, turn too quick, pick up ds etc etc it's just all those ligaments stretching but OMG they hurt soooo bad.

And dreams - yeah i always have really weird and vivid dreams (who am i kidding i have a terribly overactive imagination and have always been known for my weirdo dreams, which i remember so well.. have a reoccuring one where bill cosby and I save the world from aliens who invade via alcohol and computer screens... just before i wake, bill and i are riding into the sunset chewing on grass and tobacco hahahaha had this dream at least 3 times i remember)... sorry off the track... yep, weird, strange dreams esp when preg. With DS I dreamed i gave birth... to a puppy.. in fact a litter, and ate the placenta! charming lol.

We just got back from a tour and talk at the birth centre. OMG it's so beautiful and i'm so excited about birthing there. The rooms are huge, with double beds, a huge big bath, music, oil burners, a private garden and everything! the midwives were beautiful! i feel so lucky to have gotten into this program :)

mindhugs- i think we posted at the same time before...glad the MS is backing off for you now, although the gag reflux sounds awful! yes, I have had vivid dreams also. best of luck with your first appt. I can understand you worrying when you pulled that muscle, I am exactly the same ;-)

grub- so glad the tour of the birth centre went well...sounds great! well done on getting into that program

just a quick question...has anyone here done, or is anyone planning to do a calmbirth course? I hear they are very worthwhile. Just not sure how expensive they are, but I am hopeful DH and I can do one

CONGRATULATIONS on Anna's safe arrival WW :clap: and welcome to the unplanned c-section club ;)

I hope you persevere with the BF, it does get easier and painfree, just give it some time.

oh girls my new baby jogger city select just arrived!!! yyyyiiiipppeeeeeee :) it was so easy to put together! i'm so excited!!

Congrats WW and welcome Anna! As I keep saying the c-section is just a means to an end and your beautiful girl is proof of the right move.

Hi everyone, I hope you're all doing well. Well done on some great scans!

Re dates and stuff, my OB says that they don't change the due date based on scans as long as the scan is within reasonable limits of the original dates. Ie, DS at around 20 weeks measured a few weeks ahead, but slowed down later on, and they always kept the original due date. He wouldn't have come out on his own at term - he was still floating around, head very high, at 40 weeks.

In relation to FETs, the way they calculate it is date of transfer, LESS the number of days of the embryo (eg 5 day blast) PLUS 38 weeks. I had a feeling my FS nurse had stuffed it up so I aksed my OB (who is also my FS) yesterday and we worked it through and he agreed (and it meant that my scans made much more sense!. So my due date has been brought forward as the original one was never correct. So yipee I've just "ticked over" 5 days! So anyway, I can't remember who was unsure of dates but try working it out that way and see if that matches what the FS has said because they occasionally do make mistakes :wall:

Ooh Grub - is that a double pram? I need one too! Although DS flat out refuses to sit in his at the moment if I get to the shops and try to put him in it's a screaming fit. Very embarassing!

Well, my c-section is all booked and it looks like I will be meeting my little one in under 18 weeks - eek!!!

Oh, and also meant to say, DH and I love watching this show called Ninja Warrior on SBS two - and everytime we do my belly Ninja starts kicking heaps. Too funny :)

Hey ladies i rang the clinic and she said its very common for the scan to show a week either side, i asked what to do about my 12 weeks scan if i should make it a later date but she said no keep it as it is so the next scan will be on the 5th of april. Im going to my local GP on monday to see what she thinks she may want me to have another scan in a few weeks? Im not worried about the bub being too small i just didnt want my dates put back a week cause now its longer till the 12 week mark but oh well. She said its right because i told her when the embryo was put in so it dosnt go off the menstral cycle but embryology age and thats what she worked it out to be off her little circle thingy? i dont know its too confusing for me lol will just see what the DR says.

Hi all,

CONGRATULATIONS worrywart!!! Amazing story - I got all teary too. Hope you are loving every minute of being with her

Oneday - My dates have changed from original IVF date to 6 week scan and now, to the 12 week scan. So, I have skipped a week. I guess it all evens out along the way. Your GP should fill you in on what to do if worried though.

Possums - how awesome that all is going well! How cool is that little heartbeat too. I did a calmbirth course with #1 and found it fantastic. Highly highly highly recommend it (not that my birth was in any way calm)

Bug's mum - hilarious!!! I'm going to watch it - won't be nearly as funny without a ninja on the inside though

Grub - woohoo on the baby jogger. How excitement! I am also very jealous of your birth centre. It sounds gorgeous

So sorry ladies - only halfway through but DS just won't sleep and I can't keep track of what I'm writing. I'll do a proper one tomorrow

Take care xxoo

yeah it's a double pram :) A lovely BB lady gave me the most awesome website... the pram itself (not including the toddler seat) retails for about $950-990 here in Oz but I was given this webstie for a NZ store that sells it at $660 Oz AND ships free to Oz! So all up I got the pram cheaper than a strider or a phil and teds, which were the sort i was after... but this one does all terrain and has heaps of different seat positions for the kids. So i'm pretty chuffed... mind you only had it for a few hours, ask me in a year! lol. But it was a lot of money to spend and our justification was, it is the only money we are spending for this 2nd child! (poor kid, lol).

off to bed, if my DH hasn't stunk the room out... ugh not sure what he ate but he's killing me! MEN! I'm on the only one that is allowed to do such things and I have an excuse!


*** forgot to add that if you want the site, just pm me :)

grub- pram sounds great!..well done on the good price too...it really is worth shopping around

oneday- so glad you called and got some more answers, I find it always helps (and is better than worrying)...sounds like dates can change throughout...so happy things are all on track so far...your next scan will be an exciting one too!

kaybee- hope you are doing ok...thanks for the feedback on the course, will definitely look into it

bugsmum- love your ninja story...and i bet that 18 weeks will go fast...in fact, now that I am past 12 weeks, it seems time is moving faster

kelly- hope you are feeling OK this week

mindhugs- wishing you some easier weeks ahead, when you can feel a lot better

hi everyone else

Hi loverlies
Possums thanks so much for checking on me. I am doing well, hcg levels were good and had a scan on monday and saw the gestational sac. Though size wise it was measuring 3 days behind and no yolk sac visible so trying not to stress and not google too much. I have another scan in two weeks so will be lying low until I feel a bit more confident and see heart beat etc.
I am embarrassed that I can't do persies but am trying to read and keep up. Xx

Hi Girls

Just popping in to say hello. Not much happening here, just that I think I'm now really over this pregnancy already... It doesn't help that DD is getting another lot of molars cut through as is being a real cranky so and so. I'm so tired, exhausted and physically drained and have no idea how I'm going to cope for another 10+ weeks, I really wanted to enjoy being pregnant this time around as it will be the last time I'll ever be pregnant, but it's just not happening. If I had bad pregnancies both times it would make sense, but *touch wood* I've had trouble free pregnancies (apart from my hossy visit for rest), I think I'm just feeling a bit flat and would really love some time out to just think about doing something for me, which I can't do for another week and a half as my parents are away on holidays so I have to wait for them to come back to take DD for a few hours for me.

Anyway, that's my whinge for the day. I hope everyone else is good and growing nice bellies....

BDT- so glad to hear from you and to know that your levels look good! I was wondering...and you are right, try not to google too much until you have your next scan...I know after that one you will have more confidence in it all

kelly- you really do have so much to handle right now, I feel for you, and I think it's natural you would be feeling a bit worn out and flat...hopefully next week you can get a bit of a breather and recharge a little at least..don't be too hard on yourself for how you feel, you are carrying twins and have DD to handle too, so it's a lot.

bdt - so glad those levels are good! and yep, google is NOT your friend... but it's so hard as you know. YOu feel like it gives you some sort of control over it all iykwim. Take it really easy and lots of fingers and toes crossed here for you lovely. oxoxox

hi possums :) are you feeling sweet? whens your next appointment? ooh just wait til you start feeling the movement, it gets so addictive lol.

oh kelly i so feel for you love. you've done so well to get this far and always so chipper! I'm in awe of you! I am feeling bblllaaahh and only have half the belly you do so i can imagine how you are looking at the weeks left with dread.

I have really found this 2nd pregnancy so close to my first has taxed my body unbelievably. It's a different pregnancy altgether and better in some ways, but my body is just feeling the strain so much more and I'm much bigger than i was with DS. Kelly, I am hearing you about trying to 'enjoy' being preggy as this will probably be our last baby as well... but it is so hard.

DOesn't help we are in the most humid capital in Oz and it's been pretty warm either.

Kelly, Maybe its the week for feeling blah eh? But on the plus side, it is making me more and more excited to meet my new baby! i just want my baby here now so we can get that tough first 6 months done and dusted and enjoy our beautiful children.

for the girls who are having their 1st bub - i can't tell you enough at how wonderful being a mummy is.. and it gets better and better as they get older. I just can't stop kissing and cuddling my beautiful DS (and squeezing that squishable tooshy lol). And now he's 14 months, he's got a real little personality - a cheeky one! Every day i feel more and more privledged that our IVF journey was a success and i feel so very blessed to have such a wonderful little person in my life... AND I, me, grub, gets to be his mummy!!!! how cool is that! lol.

But I also feel a real pain for all those mummies whose babies haven't come to them yet... like almost a guilt that i'm so happy with my circumstances. My sister and BIL have major genetic issues and while she can get preg, the baby always miscarries by 14 weeks :( even the genetic testing and IVF netted nothing for them and yet she's so amazing with my DS and so excited and loves him to death... but I can see their pain that they don't have their own.

ooooh i'm so sorry to ramble. better go and get ready. going out for lunch with DH's work :) one of the girls just had a baby so i get cuddles!!!! yyiippeee

thinking of you all

grub- thanks for sharing your positive views on being a mummy, love to read that

sorry you are feeling pretty taxed with this pregnancy...how many weeks are you now?

afm- I am doing well...feeling great today as I had all my hair cut off into a short cut last night, feel like a new women...it is a change but i love it and have received great feedback from people today. Feeling well too. Going up to the clinic again next week just to hear the heartbeat for reassurance (my ivf midwife offered to give me regular listens if i wanted, and i said, yes please!)...i find it helps keep me a bit calmer with it all.

I have a sushi question...in 'what to expect' it says cooked fish and vegetable sushi, bought at a restaurant (ie made fresh) is ok...thoughts? DH and I are heading to the local japanese tonight...there are lots of options of course, but i do really miss sushi rolls, and thought i might be able to have vegetable ones, or cooked tuna or something.

hi possums, that's so good about the hair! i did the same... super short, feels so fantastic in this heat!!! bet you look gorgeous. that is so wonderful of your clinic to do that for you, i'd be there all the time too lol.

Yep, it needs to be raw seafood cooked fresh. Not pre-cooked stuff. Also, i would check on how long the rice has been sitting etc as rice is a nasty for harbouring bacteria if it isn't cooled down properly iykwim. I don't eat sushi or seafood so it's not a biggie for me, so i don't know all the ins and outs iykwim. if its a reputable restaurant and all done fresh i don't see you'd have a problem. enjoy!!!

lunch with dh's workmates was lovely. that baby was sooo small and DS did NOT like mummy holding another child lol. ox

Thanks for your kind words Possums & Grub, and I think it is the week for feeling blah for sure. It is also making me a bit sad that I can't do so much with DD either as I'm so big and cumbersome and all she wants is a mummy who will play chasing and run around the garden..

AAWWW Grub about DS and the baby, we have started to hold dolls and pretend to be feeding them to get DD used to the idea of sharing mummy. Surprising last week she picked up one of her dolls and got a round block and was pretending to give her a bottle - this was without her seeing anything from me. Maybe she has an idea of what is going to be happening very soon.

I agree with grub, being a mummy is so fantastic and as they get older it is so much more enjoyable. Everyone loves little babies, but once they start to develop and get their own personality traits it is just so rewarding to see what a miracle having a child is. So for all you first time mummies to be, there will be tough times ahead and it will seem like it will never end but it does and these little people we have created (with much medical assistance) will be the joys of your life.

Possums: About the sushi question, I love sushi but avoided it for both my pregnancies. I wouldn't buy from one of those stalls in the food court and even when we went to a japanese restaurant when pregnant with DD I passed on the sushi & sashimi and went the tempura option instead. I've never been overly paraniod about what foods I have eaten while pregnant but for some reason I have avoided sushi although I will happily eat smoked salmon. My advise is to use your gut and if you think it is ok then go for it but if you are questioning if you should or shouldn't then maybe steer clear as you will drive yourself (and probably DH) insane wondering if you did the right thing or not.

Ok girls this will give you an idea of how big I've grown recently... I had to go and buy some new maternity tops today....SIZE 18.... I am normally a size 14 pre-pregnancy and I had both size 14 and 16 maternity tops when pregnant with DD as I also carried all to the front so had to go up 1 size, but now my size 16 mat tops are starting to creep up over my bump so I had to go up another size again. Lets see how long these last me for as I don't want to keep buying bigger and bigger sizes as they will then be too big for my bust and arms (these haven't changed in size) and I won't get much use out of them in my post pregnancy phase either...

Hi everybody!!! I made it around the supermarket today without dry wretching!!! Also I am feeling less like barfing when I smell certain foods now, which is great!!! Sorry - it's been so exciting for me I just had to share.

Kelly & Grubs - thanks so much for the mummy words. Made me smile and feel good. Just like Possums I am soooooo nervous every step of the way.

Possums - I looooooovve sushi, but have forced myself to steer clear of it, even though I can see them making it in front of me etc. I'm also finding it hard to stay away from deli meats. I'm gluten free, tomato free and garlic free. So on top of all the other pregnancy food "no no's" I am finding it hard to come up with things to actually eat.

BDT - hi there. Glad to hear from you. Fingers, toes and everything crossed. I sent you a PM last week but it got rejected saying "BDT's in-box is full". So I assume you have lots of people checking in on you right now. I'm gunning for you along with the other girls. Please pop in and say hi every now and then :)

AFM - nervous, and have my 1st OB appt tomorrow afternoon. So hoping to hear a heartbeat and lots of questions about low lying placenta etc for him.

Hope you guys are having a great weekend. The temp up here has dropped a bit with the wind and rain which is great for me as the heat and humidity makes me so green with nausea!!!

Hi ladies... I just wanted to touch base before I leave for brissy tomoz. I know I am already a slack poster but I won't be on much. Will be reading from my iPhone as always but I won't be posting much. I have all my hospy apts on weds so I will let you know if anything important comes from that.

Airline how are you? All ready?

Glad your all well :)

Hello everyone. Like Jaki, I've become a slack poster but keep an eye on the forum most days. WW .... CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!! don't think I've posted that yet, although my memory is not very good right now ;-)

It's so lovely to see the cycle continuing on here...as girls give birth to their dream bundles, newbies join and continue the journey, seeing heartbeats, having scans, tests, nausea :-0 , and all the while there is someone out there online to listen, sympathise, laugh and reassure. This website has given me strength over the years I've been on it, and I hope it continues to help many many more ladies.

Jaki, I am going ok m'dear. Very happy that the temperatures dropped over the last few days. My recent symptoms have been insomnia, varicous veins aching, pelvic area aching at night (think that's the relaxin kicking in, making things softer so I have to turn over from side to side more frequently), and generally feeling knackered. I have struggled with my lack of energy this whole pregnancy. Trying to explain it to DH, apart from the nauseaus 9 weeks, I haven't been 'ill'. So I expect to be able to complete at least half of my usual daily activities..... but no! I'm proud if I stand and do 1 1/2 hours ironing, walk the dog and cook dinner in one day ;-)

It's not long for us now Jaki till our wee boys will be here. Looking forward to meeting him....

As an aside, the biggest topic in our house has been our overseas travel plans in mid May. I don't know if anyone else has done something similar when the wee one is so little, but he could be between 4 1/2 weeks to 8 weeks old roughly. At the time, a long time ago, when we got invited to a wedding in UK it seemed like a great idea. We told friends and family, most importantly DH's mum that we'd be over when the wee one was still little. As time went on I started to worry about the journey, about being out of our environment, about wrecking a routine if we'd managed to form one at all by that point etc etc.

The one thing we didn't consider (and boy do I feel mega stupid now....) was health/vaccinations. Not having been a parent before I didn't think about immune systems etc. Anyway, it was pointed out that maybe we shouldn't be going and that we were putting the little one at risk. The topic of whooping cough came up and all of a sudden it was everywhere, online news article, someone off work with it etc. Spoke to our OB who advised that I would have an element of immunity as I had it when I was 4. He advised us to speak to a paediatrician, so we spoke to 3. Bottom line was personal choice. None warned us strongly against it. All advised careful hygiene esp. on aircraft (how many people wash their hands before eating on an aircraft), explained that there's always a risk, whether you're at the mall or airport. Told us that you can't immunise against everything and babies are not properly immunised agains w/c till their 3rd injection..and even then not 100%. They said plenty of people do it, which I know working in the airline industry, but we're not talking about anyone now...we're talking about our little boy who we've been sooo desperate to bring into this world. To say it was a difficult few days is an understatement. It's predominantly DHs family and friends out there, and I know priority is health, but he and they would be so upset if we said we weren't going.

Anyway, now that I've written war and peace, the outcome is that on the OBs advice we both had the vaccine (you should have it every 10 years anyway.....a lot of folk don't know that either) and it's given with a tetnus and diptheria. It's considered a class B1 drug for pregnant women, which in turn gave me heaps to think about, but as bubba is fully formed, there's little risk, and the docs all recommended it as there is a chance that it could help start bubb's immunisation (not a guarantee though). In addition, anyone who will have a lot of contact with the baby should have it...so our parents were all asked to have it.

DH has told me that although I've agreed to go, I can pull out of trip at any time and it'll be ok. We talked and listened to each other, never got upset and handled well as a couple, but I felt sooo emotional and suddenly realised that it was the first big parenting decision we'd had to make...& he's not even arrived yet!!!! Scary.

I know I've gone on a bit, but there are outbreaks here in Oz, in America and in UK (every 3-4 years there are outbreaks) so I thought I'd pass on our recently acquired knowledge and experience. If anyone has travelled with a bub so young, please give me pointers ;-)

Belly rubs to all xxx

airline, so glad you posted! i've been wondering how you're going :) We flew when Ash was about 4 or 5 months old. But at 4 or 8 weeks you are probably not going to have a routine and it's actually a good time to travel with them as they are happy to feed, sleep, poo etc and don't need a lot of entertaining or distracting. Just do check on the minimum age, especially for international flights. I am pretty sure they say to wait til the bub is at least 6 or 8 weeks old before flying. I think cos they are so suspectible to germs and all that recycled air etc but not real sure so maybe check that too.

I think the immunisation would be okay, I had my WC done with DS's 6 week vaccine, everyone else got theirs before he arrived (he was born dec 09). Maybe you can get in to have bub's immunisations in the UK?

we are thinking about a tassie trip in sept when bub is 2.5/3 months old, it'll be a whole day travelling from here (two flights and an hour car trip) but i'm more worried about DS than the newborn iykwim.

Remember you'll need to feed the bub or have a dummy for him to suck on during take off and landing to help equalise his ears. You can also ask for the seat with the bassinette in it, and a sling is great for any airport stop overs as well as walking round once you are there cos you don't have to worry about trying to negotiate a crowd with a pram.

That's so good you guys could talk about it like adults! sometimes it's so hard tho.

we are in the midst of figuring out what to do with visitors once bub arrives. My MIL was very very unhelpful and really hurt my feelings when she came when DS was 1 month old so I've said to DH, that i don't want his family here for the first 8 weeks. (it was such a shock as usually i get along really well with them and have always tried to do lots of nice things for them to be included in our lives. i'm still hurt about it 14 months later!)

thinking i was being clever i said, ''how bout we go to them when i'm ready''. But they have just assumed MIL will come to help and instead of setting them straight DH told them on the phone the other night that I don't want that but we'd talk about it and let them know gggrrrr He also added that my mum was coming for the birth to help with DS and it sort of came off sounding really badly... for me! what an evil DIL sort of thing.

He is just no good at saying No to them and i feel like he puts him mum before me... "she'd be hurt so she can come" instead "she'll drive wifey nuts and upset her, she can't come". iykwim. Anyway i can't avoid making a decision as its FIL bday today and we hvae to call and I know it'll come up and FIL can be pretty pushy so will put me on the spot... So any advice on how to deal with this and maintain a good relationship with my DH and my ILs would be appreciated lol.

oh dear long post again!

hi to all my girilies and their babies. Hope everyone is well.

Hi chicks,

Oh Grub - the IL's!!! What a nightmare. When she says 'coming to help' does that mean staying with you? I can't believe someone would think that's ok. Maybe maybe maybe if it was your mum, but not his. My SIL said she was going to come and stay when I had DS, but I laughed straight away before she even got the chance to take the thought seriously. I said we'd like to figure it out on our own. I think if you can manage to stand up to them, you need to tell them 'no'. Can you just be honest and say that you appreciate the offer of help but will just feel stressed having extra people in the house. Can you get them to help in some other way? Stay in a hotel and come and take your toddler out for day trips??? I don't know - good luck!!!

And thanks for the lovely parenting reminder too. DS has been such a handful lately - exploring his independence and testing boundaries - to put it very nicely. It's so so nice to be reminded how lucky we are and how special they are (although I am reminded every time I look at him really). It's funny how we wish the weeks away throughout pregnancy and then wish them to slow down once they are here.

Airline - you sound like you are getting so close to the end. What a travel dilemma though. Routine-wise I think it would be a great time to travel - as they don't really have much of a routine by that time - it's mostly just sleep, eat, poo, rinse and repeat. Can you put off the decision till bub arrives? Leave the ironing and enjoy your last few weeks of quiet!

Jaki - good luck with all your appointments. Hope there's no surprises there

Mindhugs - Yay for not barfing! How exciting. How did your OB app go?

Kelly - God you must be feeling the weight of those little ones now. I know there's nothing I can say to make you feel any better, but I feel for you so much.

Possums - about the sushi - I think the rice is a big issue as it's a common spot for bacteria to grow. Just ask them when the rice was cooked initially - and go with your gut. Yum - let us know how it tasted - if you do it. Good on you for the hair too - I cut mine off not long ago too. Are you dark or fair?

Hello everyone else. Hope you are enjoying this special time.

AFM - nothing new. Still no movements! Rrraaa. Had a phone call from MIL before to tell me how much she misses her 'other' grandson - not my DS who she hasn't seen in ages, and even then only because I came to her. She went on for about 10 minutes telling me how much she misses him without once asking about my DS or my pregnancy. My SIL is also pg and due at the same time as me - the favouritism is going to be even more obvious with babies the same age. Rrraaa - In laws!!!!

thanks kaybee... did you point out to MIL how your boy is doing? geez that's pretty awful.

yep, stay with us. and last time her idea of helping was that I do all the housework and cleaning and wait on her and SHE cares for DS! to the point where she snuck inot his room after he woke for food, didn't tell me and was taking pics of herself with him etc. wouldn't let me near the bassinette when i was trying to get him out to change him and i had to ask her to move; and even got huffy at me cos i wouldn't let her change him!! i wanted to do it lady! my first baby and i was learning! she was really over bearing and constantly told me "he's fine, don't worry" if i even so much as glanced over to look at him.

anyhoo, yep it would be staying with us and nope, i don't think staying elsewhere would even be considered (they are extremely tight with money). they are at the other end of the country so aren't any help. Not only that, she doesn't 'do' housework, even her own. So if i want/need anything done I have to ask and then show her, even teh washing etc. When ds was born she only cooked dinner once in the 8 days she stayed and that was cos i eventually had to ask. It's just that she doesn't think to, once i ask she's happy to help but i just feel like i shouldn't HAVE to ask. anyhoo, she's useless when it comes to housework - ie can't use a washing machine or a vacuum and is proud of the fact (are you getting that she's pretty eccentric). oh and she refuses to drive in "strange places"; has a terrible sense of direction and is an awful driver - so no way is she putting my child in my car and leaving iykwim. It's a hopeless situaiton. really.

sorry for the rant, it's just upsetting me so much and DH doesn't 'get it'. I think i'm going to have to take the blunt approach. aarggghhh

I would like to qualify all the above that i do actually really like this lady; she adores DS and genuniely has a good heart. She's just a bit in 'her own world' i think and if she knew how i saw her actions I think she'd be really upset that's how she comes across. So it's really hard.

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sorry about the me post. i;ll be better next time.

oh kaybee- i know they say you feel movement sooner with your second, but seriously I struggled til about 21 weeks. it's so frustrating waiting hey!

ox

Oh Grub, I feel for you sweetie. I sort of have the same issues with my IL's as well, when they came to stay after DD was born they were fine and did stuff around the house when I was in hospital as they didn't think that their precious son shoudl have to worry about such things but as soon as I got home and walked in the door with DD that all stopped. All MIL wanted to do was fuss over the baby and FIL sat and watched foxtel all day, here was me with a new baby trying to recover from a c/s and having no help with the washing, dinner etc from them it was DH doing all the running around.

The last time they stayed however for DD's birthday they bought their dog with them - indoor dog - and MIL actually spent more time fussing over the dog than she did with DD so who knows what will happen this time.

This time around I keep stressing to DH that people who come to "stay" when the boys are born are not coming for a holiday they are coming to work. We have just recently set up a housework routine to make life a bit easier for us and I told DH that when his parents stay they will then know what needs to be done around the house.

I'm lucky as my parents live about 30 minutes away and once the IL's go home they will come every day or couple of days to help with the cleaning and cook for us and then my sister is coming from Perth for a couple of weeks once DH has gone back to work to help out as well. My family get the fact that we will need help but with DH's family they see the time as a holiday and even arrange to have their friends come to our house while they are staying for them to catch up without even asking if it is ok first.

thanks kelly. gee that does sound very familiar. yep definite holiday mentality but how rude is that inviting people to your home wihtout asking! My issue with MIL really is the taking over and that she doesn't actually know how to do stuff iykwim. i had to rewash the dishes the two times she washed up so sort of defeats the purpose.

but i like your idea of housework roster. surely they would be better when you have the twins!

my family are the same, they just do it. even my dad sweeps, makes his own breakfast, cleans the fridge out, takes the rubbish out etc and i find with my sister and mother, we do things the same iykwim so i know it's done properly. My SIL is always a great help when she comes too. I just don't want the stress of feeling like a task master or having to check that things are done properly ie poo hasn't been hosed on the toilet wall cos she couldn't figure out how to hose the nappy off without making a mess (and then doesn't bother to clean said mess up! eeeww).

thanks for letting me ramble girls. I do feel better being able to verbalise (so to speak) my worries. it'll make it easier to talk to DH tonight about exactly why i don't want visitors for the first 8 weeks or so. I think i'm just going to stick to my guns and "make" DH back me up/support me iykwim.

i don't like talking about family like this and wouldn't normally as i just feel awful iykwim but at least i'm a little clearer about things in my own head.

Hi ladies :) im 100% confused but 100% happy too! i went to my IVF specialist today and had another scan and he is saying im 7 weeks and 6 days today which i was told last tues at the other scan i was only 5 weeks and 5 days! but the dates i was given today match up with the original ones so im happy with them :) the little ones heart beat was 130 today (was 118 last tues) and the DR said everything looks great, so my next scan will be on the 5th of april so hopefully they say im 12 weeks! I am so very excited that this has finally happened for us, i just want the next 4 weeks to come fast.

great news oneday! i think it's a bit like HCG levels in that you may have a test that shows things haven't doubled but if you had the test later in the day, the results would be fine. does that make sense?

and remember they are marking two points on a fuzzy screen and guessing dates from there, so it does depend on the competency of the sonographer.

but that is such great news and i bet you are feeling so wonderful!!!

Thanks grubs! yeah its the best feeling and im starting to finally let my self be excited instead of stressing, i just feel that this is it and everything is going to work out this time xxx