Thanks for the info! I have to confess... I haven't bothered with the perenial massage at all after having started this thread. How in heck am I meant to reach?!?!?!?! I want to do it, DH doing it isn't an option (he's working two jobs, no time is a good time for it and it really isn't as simple as just making time... when he's home we're both exhausted and completely crashed out, half the time he can't even string a sentence together, poor guy!) but I just don't see how physically I can do it myself....