Ah, thanks for clearing that up Shannon - does that mean if mum is totally drug-free throughout but the midwife pulls on the cord she didnt have a natural birth?

Tell you what, i found syto STINGS! I commented to the midwife and she was like, "yeah most women don't feel it as their baby has only just emerged and the pain focus is still the crowning feeling". It wasn't agony or anything, i just wasn't expecting it as practically everyone i know had it and none mentioned it. By they didn't wait like i did.

Bx