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Oh wow a new thread.
I'm just waiting for AF after M/C in April so we can start clomid again for the last time. Hopefully after that we'll be IVFing.
OMG how wonderful !!!
Lenny thanks so much XXXXX
Porche, hi, I totally know how it feels to be anxiously waiting for AF to rear her ugly head!! When we wan't her she won't hurry!!
I'm currently 3 days into my TWW with 2nd IVF. Haven't started to go crazy just yet, only a few mild hissy fits!
Can't wait to tell a few girls about this thread.
Cheers X
Hi Murrycod,
Thanks for sending me this link. I have not been logged on but I have been lurking and I have everything crossed for you. Congratulations on making a gjillion eggies too that must have been agony. You are so my inspiration and if I have to do IVF i will be picking your brains about the whole thing. I was also going to ask for more info on the NK test. I've seen it can be a bt but you mentioned a biopsy? I think it is something I'd like to follow up.
Hi Porsche - fellow Queenslander. Not sure I have been posting much since you joined so hi.
AFM-I am 10dpo and 95% sure I am not pg. We have one more IUI then IVF which I really am not looking forward too. I had a major melt down last Wednesday and cried all night about what I will do if I never have a child. The next day I felt much calmer and so much relieved to have a plan (I'm going to sell my investment property and go to Vietnam for 3 months and reassess what I want to do and probably end up running an orphanage or something !!). Before this it had almost felt like my life would be pointless without a child. I also gave all my baby stuff to my friend so it is not in my house taunting me about how ridiculous it is that I have draws full of baby stuff and no baby.
Glad to be on a new thread.
Hello everyone Lenny thanks so much for the new thread there are a good few of us that need it !
I am around day 24 depending on my cycle length, so in the TWW after having a mc in sept 09 at 12wks 5days I only found out there was a problem when I went for a scan after slight spotting !
Well its been a long road since then and I am on the wrong side of 40 to be able to get any kind of help at 45 so I pray that one day I will get my BFP again and a healthy bub however long it takes,
Since joining BB my life has changed so much I have managed to greive and be happy and sad with people who understand how it feels its wonderful.
Hey murraycod not long till we test I think I will wait for you to test if AF hasn't arrived for me by then I may test on the same day !
Sunbeam Hi sorry you have had a rough time of it lately. SO brave of you to give all your stuff away just think how exciting it will be having to buy it all again when you get your BFP. Think the NK test is a good idea for you as you have been pg a few times and it may be the key !
Porshe how you doing not long now and you will be back in the race so to speak when AF turns up hope shes not too long away !
Hello to everyone else who will come and join us in here !
Thanks for the link Murraycod !
Sunbeam, so nice to see you :hug:
I thaught of you straight away when I saw this new thread, I knew it would get you to come out of the woodwork!!! Mwah !!!
Honey, please don't feel down about IVF if this is where you are to lead. Honey, it is actually so exciting. Way more involved yes, and a tad more invasive yes, but when you give that first needle you become addicted to the whole process and you will suprise yourself how much you learn and enjoy each part of it.
As for the NKcells, haven't heard of a BT for it, the biopsy is the only way they can test the tissue of the endometrium, they take a biopsy 4-5 days before AF when lining is at it's thickest.
Worst and best procedure I have ever had I tell you!! They are a huge factor for recurrent M/C. The studies for it are still very new, I would love to know of anyone who has also been diagnosed and had a healthy baby after being treated.
Honey, all the best for this cycle, only you know deep down what's happening this time, hey, I won't sugar it up too much, you have a place to fall if this cycle is a bust, it is right here mate X
Crafty girl!!!! M'e English lassie!!!! Gidday!!!! I promised myself that I would not POAS this time round. You have to help drag me all the way then If you are going to hold out with me....or we could hide and POAS together!!! NO!! Don't give me any ideas, encouragement or excuse to go there. Not this time.....yet;)
Oh this is great! Thanks so much Lenny - we needed it! Just this morning I was thinking about it again and wishing we had another thread to post to. I think there will be others joining us soon (sad as that is but we have each other and that's great).
Girls, I'm knackered after a long day so will just pop in to say Yah and Hi and will be back with more tomorrow when I've had some sleep to read up properly.
Alice x
Hi guys. I'm really happy for this thread too. Quietly, I've had such a hard day today, maybe this thread was a 'meant to be'. Today was my 'due date' for my one and only pregnancy. I'm a midwife and did two births tonight and I just wanted to tell the lovely ladies that my baby was due today too. I can pretend to people that I'm positive and realistic about everything but I think I'm still just so devastated by our loss (in Nov at 12wks after 4 IVF stim cycles. Have prem ovarian failure & now looking at donor cycle). Boy I wish our little one had stayed. Grief is a long road.
Hi Ladies
Sevie I wan to give you a big HUG. I can't imagine how tough yesterday was for you.
Crafty I've got spotting this morning so that means AF is close at hand. I'm soooooo excited. Never thought i'd say that.
Murraycod how are you feeling? I hope that emby is picking a nice comfy spot to kick back in.
Sunbeam I'm pleased to "meet" you. We aill be starting IVF at the end of June if this cycle of clomid isn't successful (hurry up af). We were going to do IUI but DH goes awya at the end of Julky so I don't think we'll have time to slip a cycle in. We figured we would go straight to IVF so hopefully we get some frosties (like Murraycod lol) so I can continue whilst he is away. Which is all of maybe 1 cycle lol. Ahh well I'm not impatient much. I thiught if we did di IUI perhaps we could freeze DH sperm and do it that way??? Don't know.
Hi everyone else!
Yipppeeeeee! a thread i feel is more suited for me thanks lenny.
Hi Murrycod,Crafty,Sunbeam,Alice my my gals from the other thread and hello to the other girls it will be good to get to know you.
This thread will be great i ejoyed the chit chat with the other thread but i just found all the newbies who popped in for a very short time some even days before they got a BFP was just doing my head in and don't get me wrong anyone ttc after M/C deserves a BFP but it is a totally different feeling when you just can't seem to get pregnant after a M/C and you are trying month after month and all the others are comming and going in a short time it was actually making me feel worse and rang home my failure every month.
Anyway i am excited.
Sunbeam-i have an appt with a new cheaper FS next week as it has been 6months ttc and 14 since losing Abbi but i worked out we tried a few time after we lost Abbi and before the ivf so all up we have tried 10 cycles so hopefully we will start a ivf cycle at the end of june beginning of july if the waiting list isnt to long we are going the public system for cheaper ivf just to get pregnant then we will worry about the SLO at 12 weeks we just need to get there first.
I am 9dpo today AF is due the 26th i feel like you 95% sure i am not pregnant although my temp which dropped a bit yesterday went back up a bit today only time will tell.
Crafty- yes i did read john travoltas wife is pregnant at 47 i did read a comment on the net that they used a egg donor but it is not confirmed i did meet a lady last night at work who is pregnant at 46 she looked about 56 pretty wrinkly and she was telling us girls it was an accident she thought she was going through menopause so didnt know she was pregnant until she felt movement they are not real happy about another baby because there kids have all left home and her hubby just had his 60th birthday i thought it always happens to the people who are not trying and don't want it.
Hi alice and porsche.
Murrycod- well i know everything thats going on with you seeing we email each other every other day have you managed to um! how should i say this off load a dump yet you poor constipated thing.
And you know that this thread has started you will get your BFP and then we will have to start a pregnancy after LTTC after m/c or loss so we can join you.
well i better get my kids off to school i will be back later.
I too am very pleaesd to see this thread open yeah. And huge Thanks Murraycod for sending me the link as I wouldn't have found it otherwise so massive mmmwwwwaaaaahh.
Sevie my last night was similar to yours (but it wasn't my EDD) I too work as a midwife. I am going to write about my shift elsewhere as I don't think this is the right thread to do so (as it involves loss) it can be so difficult working in middy and questioning why it hasn't been easier for us when it seems to be so easy for others. I am so sorry about the loss of your precious bub and so glad you found us.
Murraycod I am praying bub is nesting in and you have lots of little snowbubs. Sounds like you should have a number. FX
Well most know my story but for those who don't we have been ttc 2years officially (unofficially 1yr prior to that but I was BF and AF didn't return for part of that and then I weaned DD and got into it much more seriously) we had a very early loss (the day after AF was due, I wouldn't have known if the POAS wasn't positive) 3months into officially ttc, then 9months later I finally fell pregnant again only to have another loss at 5.5weeks (took 2weeks to bleed and they thought it was possibly PUL) then by some miracle I fell pregnant 3months after that in June 09 but that time the pregnancy was definately ectopic and I lost my right tube. Its now been coming up to a year and I haven't been pregnant since. During my surgery they discovered I had endo and PID which was a huge shock as to my knowledge I hadn't had any risk factors to get it. My remaining tube is damaged by adhesions although opened and DH has sperm issues. This is suppose to be our last month ttc naturally (we were only going to for 6months before IVF but DH got cold feet at the end so we pushing it back a few months) but now we are only weeks from starting I have no idea what is happening and I feel very unprepared and not ready to start now. I am thinking I should even wait another month before starting the pill. Now its me stalling I don't know what has come over me. I actually think its my weight which I can't budge. I am concerned I am too fat for it to work but when I start a diet it only lasts a day or two before I am looking for comfort food. Arrr thats basically my story.
Ferrals, Sunbeam, Porshe, Alice and crafty. So nice to see you and praying this thread is stacked with BFP's in no time.
Ferrals and Crafty I think I have told you before perhaps about a similar story ferrals mentioned about a lady who was 47 when she had her bub. She found out when she was 26weeks also when she thought menopause was well and truely over. When I saw her she said she only just stopped crying about it (her youngest after new bub was 20) as she didn't want to make the baby cry.
Ferrals!!!!!:rofl: You cheeky, cheeky tart !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Atleast i can laugh now without my tummy hurting!!! But cheers babe, thanks for asking, I did a decent.....poop yesterday LOL!!!!!
OMG now I'm all shy !!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!
So nice to see you here, and we all feel how you feel, it was getting hard for me too.
So great to be here thouigh!!!
Sevie, welcome honey, you are sure to make some great friends here X
It is so lovely to see you here, thanks for the PM, glad you got mine XX
Thanks for being strong enough to share your journey so far Mildez, you are one Brave girl!! XX
Don't be scared honey, I don't think our minds are ever fully ready to start this rollercoaster again, as much as our brains tell us we need to. So you need to just take a leap of faith, and after that first leap Mildez, anotherone follows XX We will be here for you.
Porshe, DH and I wished we had gone straight to IVF, but that was only because we were unsuccessfull at the IUI 3 times!! But now, who knows if this NKcells are responsible for that??
Do what is best for you both XX
Alice, hope you got a nice big sleep, I agree with you, this thread is needed, and great!
Sunbeam, hope you are doing ok X
Crafty, you are still in with a chance (huggs) XX
AFM, well, still crampy, and I hate crampy. 3dp4dt, and a loooooong way to go. God give me the strength to get through this, with a positive frame of mind, because it easily slipps to a negative one.......:pray:
Mildez-glad you can join us looks like a few of us are heading down the ivf road and if you need to talk about your shift i think here is as good a place as any to talk about it we are here for each other and we all have had a loss i know for me i need to bring it up from time to time just mentioning Abbi's name keeps her real to me but in saying that you talk about it where you feel most comfortable.
Sevie-sorry i didnt reply to your post in my last post i must have missed it being a midwife must be hard and i know how you are feeling to have lost a bub and now facing ovarian failure that is my concern my FSH level is at the high end of normal which worries the hell out of me my last FS said as i have loads of follies and i responded really well to a low dose of puregon (for those who don't know we did a PGD ivf cycle for genetic reasons only) and she said my fertility and my DH's is fine and we should have no problem getting pregnant and she said i wont hit the big M for another 15 years but here we are still not pregnant and my Naturopath said your FSH needs to be below 8 to fall pregnant mine was 8 the first month and then 10.5 the next i have read plenty of women who have fallen pregnant with way higher FSH levels but it is still in the back of my head that my level is a sign of DOR even though my ovaries are not showing any signs they are still full of follies i just worry why is my FSH a little high i am taking natural herbs to try and help it and i am terrified of having it retested because what if they tell me it is higher again.
Sorry i am rambling i guess i am trying to reasure myself that i am still fertile.
Good morning lovely women,
MurryCod - thanks again for sending me the link to this thread and glad you are feeling somewhat 'lighter' today :) There's not much left to be shy about when IVF is concerned!! Ah it's good to be here!
Hi Porsche, Sunbeam, Crafty, Ferrals, Mildez from the other thread - lovely to have you all here
Sevie - I can't imagine how hard that would be. How are you today? I can't find any of the little icons but wanted to give you a cyber hug.
Sunbeam - I know that feeling of what will life be like if I never have kids and that life will be pointless without them. Over the years I've slowly come to terms with that as best that I can. I have close relationships with my friends children and I have taken steps in the last year to return to making art again after a very long break. We plan overseas trips (not that we've been for a while) and we have been considering fostering for a very long time. Adoption just seems too hard after so much waiting already and we are probably too old now anyway. I will always feel grief over the years of fertility I lost and for the baby who couldn't stay with us. But it gets easier in the sense that you come to some peace with it. I hope you don't have to come to peace with it - I hope you can have your babies. I have avoided, then given in, then given away, baby things over the years. I hope yours will come back to you xx
Most of you know my story, and it's a long one of 9 years TTC so don't blame you for not reading anymore but here goes anyway: At 32 DH and I decided we wanted to have kids. I had three ovarian cysts removed prior to that, the last one at 30, but was told both tubes were clear, and there were no signs of endo. We tried for a year unsuccessfully before seeing an FS who sent us for tests - my hormones levels were all fine so he recommended we try for another 6 months. Not long after that I was having a lot of pain and discomfort and I knew something wasn't right but my GP thought I was just anxious about TTC so wouldn't send me for any more tests. Eventually I couldn't get out of bed and saw a different GP who admitted me straight to hospital.
Long story short - I was diagnosed with severe endo and another six months later had two big operations during which time I lost one tube, the other is damaged with adhesions, and one ovary had a massive endo cyst in it. It took me six months to recover from the ops during which time my BIL suicided and two days after the funeral on his way to work my DH was bashed and hospitalised and had to be off work for 12 weeks (one of his atttackers is in prison for robbery in company causing grievous bodily harm)(he is lucky to be alive). It took us 18 months to get through the court case for his bashing and inquest into his brothers death so by the time we started IVF I was 37. We got 5 day 5 blasties from 6 eggs but none of them took (I had 3 transfers from that cycle over 1 year). Our second IVF we got 3 day 5 blasties and had 2 transfers over 6 months and none of them took, by which time I was 39. I had another operation for an ovarian cyst and was told I was looking at having a hysterectomy. I was devastated as it was the week before my 40th birthday. That week my brother rang to say his partner (44) had fallen pregnant on their first go at IVF. I was crushed. Took me six months to pick myself up and face another go at IVF but the cycle got canceled because I was sick and not responding well.
Finally last August my FS sent me for the NK biopsy, a whole lot of blood tests for lupus etc and they came back with elevated levels. Why didn't we do these tests earlier? He recommended I go on DHEA to see if it improved my egg numbers and we did that for three months before starting our last IVF in November last year. I ended up getting sick at the beginning of it with bronchitis but turns out that was a blessing because the antibiotics I took probably are one of the reasons we got a call before Christmas saying we got our BFP! We were stunned - and ecstatic - but sadly we lost the bub at 8 weeks. So here we are now, trying one last time (again). I'm doing some TCM and acupuncture again (figure it can only help) and we are hoping to do our final attempt at IVF in June. I am feeling positive and hopeful and trying to just take one day at a time.
Being with you all here, has been the best thing that has happened to me in this whole painful journey. I have finally found somewhere that others understand some of ups and downs of TTC when all the odds seem set against you. So thank you so much and looking forward to sharing our experiences on this new thread xx Jacqui (Alice is the name we gave our little one)
A great thread, and i myself would have used it after so many losses TTC, Alice i will be following your journey and wish you the very best with your next cycle, did you use clexane or prednislone wiith your last BFP?
Best wishes to you all x
OMG looks like this is going to be a busy thread.
Ferrals- arrr my sweet so good to hear from you again I have been thinking of you since you left and longing to hear from someone you email that you are UTD. Now I'll get to hear it first hand :p I'm with you, it was great on the other thread but this far along I feel we are all in a differnet place on our journey.
Murrycod - I know I should feel better about IVF but I have seen the heartaching ups and down of you and ferrals and others and it seems so long winded and so many stages where things can go wrong. I will definitley be getting the NK biopsy before I start IVF. Thanks for no sugar coating, after 4 pgs I think I am pretty cluey to what I feel before a BFP. Had a few cervix niggles but no sore boobs which has always been my best sign. Won't POAS till sunday when I go for breakfast with Donor daddy.
I am in awe of the midwives on this site, I have no idea how hard it must be to hand people thier beautiful new babies day in and day out when it is all you long for yourselves. I am also so over stories of people having babies they did not really want or deserve like the women I hear of yesterday who has managed 3 more kids even sice she got hooked on heroin!!!
Hi to all the ladies I have not yet got to meet. For those who don't know me I'm gay and single. I started this journey Feb. 06 started temping and taking vitamins as an ex boyfreind of mine (was straight once!) had agreed to be my donor. In the Aug. he backed out, not ready to be a dad. I was devasteted he is my best freind and I could think of no one better to be my baby's dad. We remain best freinds(we are going out for dinner tonight) but I took 6 months before I could even think about looking for someone else. A few months later a gay friend of mine agreed and we got to the testing stage only to find out he was HIV+ and did not know. After supporting him through this I enlisted my freinds help and got them to pretty much ask any guy they met if he wanted to be a dad:lol: then in Nov. 07 Donor Daddy organised my freind's car loan and the rest is history. We did home insems. from Feb. 08 till Oct. 09 and had 2 pgs and mc both at 7 weeks on Anzac day a year apart. We are now on IUI 5 and have had 1 chem. pg and a pg where nothing actually developed which I'm still a bit confused by. We have one more IUI then will probably move to IVF.
Morning ladies,
My body id being cruel to me my temp rose again today it dropped to 36.6 on 8dpo then went to 36.66 at 9dpo and now 10dpo it is 36.71 usually it just keeps going down from 9dpo unti AF turns up.
Otherwise i feel nothing nada zip zero zilch.
How you going murrycod hope your hanging in there not to long now are you going to poas at all before your BT or are you going to stick it out and be strong?
I thought i'd better do what sunbeam and alice did and just give the ladies that do know me a quick run down on why i am here.
Basicly i have always been fertile my whole life with my ex husband i fell pregnant 5 times resulting in 3 boys who are the reason for me walking this earth after my marriage failed i met the love of my life and my soulmate who i am crazy about he has one daughter he rarely gets to see (we are fighting it out in court) so we decided to have one baby together and after 20 weeks of trying with no aid's other than a maybe baby i fell pregnant with our daughter Abbi but after U/S and many many speacialists and professors they all agreed she was not viable with life (there terms) so we had a choice to end the pregnancy at 19 weeks 5 days or continue and she would die at birth we decided to do the kindest thing for our girl and not prolong it.
After a few months all the autopsy and genetic tests came back Abbi had smith lemli opitz syndrome and my DH and i were carriers for it we have a 1 in 4 chance of every baby being effected so we tried a cycle of PGD IVF to test our embryos we ended up with one embryo suitable for testing the others were a grade 3 and fine for ivf but not for the pgd test our one embryo was affected so we couldnt use it and after a cost of $14,000 we could not afford to do anymore PGD so we decided to take the risk and try naturally and get the baby tested at 11-12 weeks but unfortunately we have been unable to fall pregnant and there is no reason other than age or maybe my FSH level being a tad high but i was told it wouldnt effect getting pregnant just yet or hubby's great sperm he has super sperm but in our ivf cycle a lot of our embryos fragmented and that was due to DNA damage from the sperm because of diet lifestye so we are about to see a new FS and find out what is going on.
So that is my story in a nutshell i better get my kids off to school i will be back later.
Wow, even though I have known you girls for a while now, and known all of your stories of heartbreak and bits of happiness in between, it really hits home, to read your stories again. I guess somewhene in this whole TTC journey we are in, we get so obsessed with eachothers 'symptoms' and 'cycle days' that I guess, it's just nice to have a reminder that there have been some seriously tough times in our lives, and we are very fragile girls.
My story feels a little insignificant to reading the others, yes my history of TTC hurts just as much as anything, but really getting to know you girls, has given me grace to move forward and keep trying, even after so many years.
I have at the top of my sig, TTC since 2005, but actually that's wrong.
When I was 21, I got married to my highschool sweetheart of 7 years, and was trying to have a baby then. ( months after we were married I found he was having an affair so the marriage ended.
I guess you could say that I have not used any sort of contraceptive for 10 years now, and still nothing has happened.
It wasn't untill I met the love of my Life, my now DH, we became seriouse about trying to have a family, so we looked into seeing a FS. We have always been told 'There is nothing wrong', 'We can't find anything' 'You are perfectly healthy'.
My DH and I got married last year in January, and a month later I realised I had missed my period. Much to our suprise, the best wedding gift ever, we found out we were having a baby! The excitement was short lived, the one day I will always try to forget, but never will, is the day we lost our preciouse miracle at 8wks.
I miscarried naturally, and have desperately tried to be pregnant again, to no avail.
Each month that goes by, seems to hurt more than the one before. The anguish becomes stronger, more friends of ours are now onto their second cildren, I hate it.
I feel as though I have turned into a grumpy barron old horse at the age now of 30, and shy away from children when I can. And that is not me.
So after many pointless visits to FS, 3 failed attempts at IUI, we moved onto IVF in Adelaide with Repromed.
After our 1st failed cycle, I was diagnosed with NKcells in my uterus, and am now in the middle of a dreaded TWW on my 2nd Cycle.
I feel crampy, quietly disheartened, and don't feel as though it has taken.
I just don't see how anything can survive the AF cramping I have had, since ET.
I know I had 27 eggies removed only 1 week ago, and that has to still hurt yes, but cramping just aint a good sign for me, never has been XX
Thanks all for reading XX
I really feel comfortable here :grouphug:
Awww hun cramping is a sign of either AF or pregnancy i get exactly the same when i am pregnant i always feel like AF is comming it is when i get the heavy dragging insides that feel like i have just BD for hours that i know its AF but you and i both know those horrible pesseries don't help i cramped heaps more than AF pain and i didnt even have a TF don't drop your bundle just yet that is my job.
Hello ladies
Have been reading everyones stories and its so sad we are all on here in this TTC journey all for different reasons in a way but all for the same reason IYKWIM we have all suffered a loss within the last 12mnths and the pain is still quite raw for most of us although not on a daily basis its still there hiding away ready to pounce on us at the slightest thing ie a pg anouncment or AF turning up or just seeing a tiny baby in a pram when out shopping ! Well girls we are all here because we need to comfort each other and give each other hope and lessen the fear that we maynot get the long awaited BFP !
I am so glad I found all of you as without you all I would be a total mess !
Anyway that out the way I have a story too but I feel sometimes that I am just being gready, as I have 9 kids already yes 9 between the ages of 25 and 2yrs I had my 1st at 20 when married to my 1st hubby. I fell pg again a yr later and although my marriage was not going that well I was so glad I was going to be a mum again, anyway at my 16wk scan I was told my baby had died at 11wks and I needed a D&C to remove the fetus ! I was so upset didn't know what happened, went for a scan but came out being told my baby wasn't alive ! anyway after the D&C I didn't cope too well and eventually my marriage ended I eventually met and moved in with my now DH, my son was 2yrs, We never used contraception and 3yrs later we knew something was wrong anyway we found out my DH had only 1 million sperm in his count and out of those 50% had something wrong ie bent tails and so on. We tried IUI 3 times with his sperm but all failed, this was back in the late 80s and IVF was not an option for us so we decided to try IUI with donor sperm, on the 2nd attempt we got a BFP and a lovely son in Sept 91, we decided to go back to the clinic again 2yrs later for another try of IUI with donor sperm, to our suprise we were pg naturally and were so amazed ! anyhow it was short lived as I mc a few weeks later I was told to wait for a normal AF then start the clomid for IUI anyhow it never happened as I was pg again and had my 1st daughter in march 95 in oct 95 I was pg again, my son was born in june 96, I then went on the pill ! 3yrs later we decided to try again after a whole year I got a BFP mc at 5wks then pg again in April 2000 my son was born Jan 2001 but with many probs ie heart,lung and digestion as well as cranial stenosis, over the next 2yrs he was in and out of hospital 4 majour ops and many times didn't think he would live, When he was 9mnths old I realized I felt ill from being pg again ! I was so scared as I had a sick child and now was UTD again, anyway my son was born july 02 no probs, so worry over ! anyway I went on to have 2 more girls and a boy over the next 6yrs. I did mc inbetween each of them and took over a yr to get a BFP but I did it ! I never gave up hope and knew that the misscarriages were natures way ! However Last year in June at the age of 44 I got a BFP again and was so thrilled as it had taken me 2yrs and a mc, but we decided this was to be the last as now we were well in our 40s. Well in Sept 09 at 12wks 5days I went for a scan as I had a slight brown spotting and was told it was a BLIGHTED OVUM not a baby in the sac. I had a D&C and its hit me so hard this time I guess the reason is I am now 45 I know my hubby has had sperm issues and know my time is about run out, but I just have this empty feeling and great sadness that my baby never came after 12wks of pg symptoms and all the emotional thoughts that go with being pg the planning and the buying new stuff then NOTHING !
So thats me today 45 and hoping to fall pg again, but every month that goes by its getting harder and harder to stay positive.
Sorry for the long winded story I am not really deserving of having anymore I gues I should be happy with what I have but after loosing 5 angels you just never get over it ! I would just like to go into my old age in happiness watching my last little miracle grow up not be in sadness remembering the Angel that didn't get to stay with me ! But I know the clock is against me ! but I am a gambler I suppose and if theres a will theres a way, Just a shame Im too old for any help when I could do with some, sometimes feels like I have come full circle ! back to square 1.
What I really wanted to say was NEVER GIVE UP ! even when the odds are stacked against you miracles do happen they really do sometimes nature does goe against what the DRS say and you could end up with a miracle of your very own ! We were told no need for contraception you won't get pg naturally with a sperm count like that !!!!!! How wrong they were !
Anyway I think I have missed out again this month as Ive got low backache and just waiting for the usual headache then AF will be here I just know she will,
Hi Ladies
I have really learned a lot about you in your stories. You join a forum halfway through and you never know what the others have been through. My story isn’t a long one compared to some others but here it is.
In 2000 I married my first husband I knew it was a big mistake then but did it anyway. We had been trying for 2 years to get pregnant with out much success. I had never had a regular AF. I was 21 and didn’t “know” how to get pregnant IYKWIM. By the 2 year mark I was pretty frustrated and I did think to myself “hmm maybe something is wrong”. I don’t know why I did a HPT but I did and it came up + straight away. April 2001 my DS was born.
I did briefly go back on BC after DS was born but I wanted my children to be close together. So I went off of the pill and pretty much straight away I was pregnant with DD. November 2002 DD was born. I had no problems in my pregnancies. I had small 6 pound babies both born naturally.
Long story short I left my then husband and met my now fantastic DH. We were married July 2009. DH doesn’t have any children and I always knew he wanted them so we decided to go off of BC and “see” what happens. That was the February 2009 before we were married.
As I mentioned I’ve never had regular AF so I figured I needed to have a pap smear (I was over due by about 5 years) and I thought I might discuss with him about my failing to get pregnant and my irregular AF (10 years late). That was roughly 6 months after stopping BC. It was the June of 09.
He sent me off for BT and a dildo cam. Bloods came back as “highly suggestive” of PCOS. Dildo cam came back inconclusive. The sonographer (?) didn’t look for cysts she focused on some rather large veins I have on my ovaries (which 7 months later I found out to be perfectly normal for someone who has had children). So right up until Feb 2010 I was never confirmed as having PCOS.
Any way my GP referred me to an OB/Gyn and I met with her the following July. Right before our wedding. She looked at my bloods and prescribed me clomid that very day. Lucky for me I had my Af and I could start it straight away. So we got married and we were due to O on our honeymoon.
Moving on 4 cycles later and no pregnancy. So Ob/Gyn books me in for a laparoscopy. We had to put it off until the January as PHI didn’t kick in till then. She said I was to keep up the clomid to keep my cycles regular and if we get UTD then fantastic but if not then the lap it was.
So cycle 5 I think I may have had a chemical pregnancy as I got a + HPT on an IC but not on a crystal clear. I figured at the time it may have been an evap line. But now I think it wasn’t. Then we come to cycle 6 and at the end of this cycle I was due for my lap. I had to put off the lap till the beginning on February as I O’d late (which is why I think I had a chemical) and the lap was booked in my TWW and if I was UTD that would not have been good. So 30th January Af arrived. That was a Saturday and the following Monday 1st Feb 10 was my lap. Keep going with the clomid.
Laparoscopy went fine all clear in the pelvis area, tubes are, clear little bit of endo on the outside of my uterus but overall no problems. Was told to keep going with the TTC .
I had also booked an appointment with QFG on the 17 (I think) of Feb so we go along to see Dr De Ambrosis and get our options. DH and I come away with a plan and now we have to wait the dreaded TTW out. I was 4DPO when we saw Dr De.
The end of my TTW was up and I had been HPT’ing since 9DPO with faint BFP’s. so it looked like we wouldn’t need other options. Yay!
So we go to my regular Ob/Gyn for my post op appointment and tell her the good news. I was 6weeks 3 days at that appointment and heard the heart beat and DH was very excited as you could imagine. We made an appointment for 4 weeks time. So we walk out of there with plans to be made and excited for the 12 week scan to see Cleatus (DH named our bub) on the screen.
4 weeks later and we sit in the waiting room all excited and anxiously waiting. We were by that stage 10 weeks 3 days. She gets us in the room and she says lets have a look at bub. So I lie on the bed and she gets the ultrasound and then she say’s it doesn’t look good. There is nothing in the sac and definitely no heartbeat. She sends me off that very afternoon to get another urgent scan to confirm her diagnosis and the sonographer repeats her words Blighted Ovum. She left us alone for a bit and I had a cry. I couldn’t believe it. I had absolutely no clue. No bleeding, no cramping, nothing.
So we head back to Ob/Gyn and I’m booked in the very next day for a D&C. That was that absolute worst day of my life. I was supposed to be 10 weeks 4 days and looking forward to our 12 week scan and to tell all the family our good news. But no I was having my baby ripped out of me. And just to add insult to injury the nurse who was looking after me after the D&C was having a conversation with other staff members outside of my curtain about her 10 week pregnancy! She was describing how big the baby was, how much amniotic fluid it was in etc…. To me it felt like hours but in reality it was more like 5 mins. My world had just fallen apart and I had to stay and listen to that?
Any way fast forward to today and I’m anxiously waiting for AF post D&C so I can start clomid again while we wait to start IVF at the end of June.
Murrycod - it is my lack of cramping that makes me know I'm not UTD, I get much more AF type feelings when I'm about to get a BFP. Isn't it funny how we all look for different symptoms. Hang in there babe, thinking of you.
Ladies it has been sad and heart warming at the same time to read all your stories again. I agree with murrycod that we are all very fragile but what comes through to me far more is how unbelievably strong and brave we all are. It's not just the tough TTC journey we've had but all the other crap life has thrown at us too and yet we somehow find the strength to keep going in the hope of fulfilling our dreams. Even though it is only in internet world I still feel so lucky to know you all and share this time with you. We are amazing women.:grouphug:
Porshe Im glad you told your full story as I didn't know until now ! Im sorry you had a blighted ovum too it sucks hey when you sit waiting for a D&C knowing they are going to rip everything out of you and all you get afterwards is pain and sorrow,
I know I am older than you are but after my D&C it took absolutely ages for AF to return to any kind of normal around 75days after D&C it was so frustrating but now at last I seem to be back on track but it has taken 8mnths and Ive also tried VItex and now chinese meds to ( warm my womb up ) sounds dreadful but I am too old to go on clomid and will try anything within reason, seems to be working for me though as I now get a good bleed and around 29day cycle so thats good as I did go through a time of 33 days then the next one would be 18days so frustrating ! Anyhow thanks for sharing your story and I am very pleased you could join in and hopefully get some comfort on your journey into another BFP !
Thanks Sunbeam and Ferrals XX I know I'd be worried If I felt nothing too, and the cramps are very dull and light for most part of my day today, which is fine by me. It's just silly, I can only imagine this NOT working, I can imagine the dreaded phonecall and all, but I cant imagine it working out for the good. I know it's weird, as much as I feel hope deep down, I guess my brain is trying to protect my outside shell to the outside world!
Anyways, just wanted to let you darling girls know, that I got my long awaited letter in the mail...........We have 12 more Blasties on ice! EEEKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! So that's 13 in total!!!!
13 is not the luckiest of numbers, I miscarried on the 13th, but because we had 12 blasties from this cycle on ice, and Harvey no2 from last one, the no13 doesn't count!:)
DH is out celebrating my good mood with a few boys and more than a few beers, I'm headed off to start reading NewMoon.......Oh I'd love to get my hands on this Edward Vamp, Mmmm!!!!!
Hey, speaking of being totally in love with a book character, I have a TMI warning comming up girls, so read ahead if your game!:lol:
Well, a few of you ladies already know, I commented the other day about the 'Lacking of nookies' I have had in the past month, well, am still totally to scared to, esp with all this cramping, I'm scared I will bring the cramping on again, well, getting to the point....I have found that I am getting aroused so easily, like watching people get it on, on the TV, (reading Twilight), just thinking about getting some love'n, makes me totally crazed up, and it sort of makes me cramp afterwards, and really...ummm....wet down there. I have never experienced this before, it's like I'm damn horny all the time! But I try not to be, cuz the more I feel turned on, the more I twinge 'down there'.
Someone just shoot me already. 4DP4DT
Murrycod-you dirty little hussy lol reminds me of myself sometimes i just go and prance around DH in underwear that gets him going and i get what i want out of him he he see us red heads always get what we want.
MurryCod - two things.. no three actually, but I'll get to the third in a minute. I have heard many times, and remember too, that progesterone (esp. pessaries for some reason) can make you cramp lots (actually four things but I'll get to that too). Second, I was horny as all hell when I was pg - we called it pg porn (warning TMI coming up) I could roll over in bed and bam!, I just couldn't control it. So, that's the first two things I wanted to say that sound positive to me but we all know our own bodies so only you can tell BUT like Ferrals said, don't drop your bundle yet! I also wanted to say that I totally understand that you can only imagine it not happening because that was exactly how I felt, it was all I knew, just BFNs, but as Crafty put it so well, miracles happen and I got a BFP so you can too! And fourthly - wow!! 12 BLASTIES!!! You better take up knitting 'cause Crafty won't be able to keep up with your babies at this rate :) That's amazing good news and lots to be excited about - I can just imagine how proud your DH is (men are so funny) And lastly, to you and everyone who has shared their story...
...just wanted to say how touched I am by everyone's stories, I feel very honoured to be able to share this time with you all and as a few of you have said, you think you know where everyone is sort of up to but there is so much you don't know and I feel humbled by everyone's experiences. After I wrote mine I almost went straight back to edit it 'cause I felt like there was just too much said so thank you for letting me share it with you and for sharing yours too (I would put a group hug icon here but can't find the icons anymore - having an air-head moment probably they are here somewhere...) Anyway, rambling now so better get to bed.
...and thanks again to Lenny for setting us up here. Night x
Morning ladies,
I woke this morning with another temp rise to 36.81 and i have noticed a metalic taste in my mouth yesterday and today i have only ever noticed it once before when i was pregnant with my first son i still am 95% sure i am not pregnant but the signs my body is giving me is really cruel why does AF symptoms and pregnancy symptoms have to be so similar.
I am watching foxtel and there is a show i didn't know i was pregnant and a lady just had twins and didnt even know she was pregnant no belly no weight gain nothing wouldnt that be nice.
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend.
Hi Ladies
Just a really really quick one. I'll do personals later on. AF arrived so it's on to "ding ding" round 8 of clomid. I'll start pill popping tomorrow and wait till BDing time! I Hope every one has a great day!
Hi ladies
Well Ferrals fingers crossed for you my girl we deserve to be the next BFPs in here ! I am also having a real hard time with my body, I went to the craft fair in Perth today and have been looking forward to it for ages as its only once a year, well as soon as I got up this morning I felt sick then my head started pounding and I felt so faint, anyways off I went to the show and really struggled the whole day with nausea and feeling faint, all the food smelt dreadful and I also have a sh*t tasted in my mouth, My boobs feel sore every now and then too ( but have this overwhelming feeling that I am not pregnant )
DH bought a chrystal clear pg test on the way home as he said I look really rough and he dream't I was UTD the other night ! Well I am too chicken to do the test keep going in the toilet and peeing in the bowl quick so I can't do the damn test ! I am so scared of seeing 1 line again so I have to get through the next few days feeling sh*t, but with these damn tests sitting there taunting me !!!!!! HELP I am day 27
Crafty.......thaught you were gunna wait for me!!!!!!
I'm cramping way worse now, like AF is on her way, I feel like crap. Loosing it.
Wow what a thread. I just read of all your stories and my heart breaks for everyone of us who has been handed this crap run in life but I am also amazed at the strength and resilience which is so evident with everyone of you ladies.
Murraycod - hang in there darl I know it's hard!
Ok so here goes - I will try and make our story as short and sweet as possible. We started TTC in late 2002 and because my Mum had issues (adopted both my siblings due to infertility) and then fell with me when my sister was 13 mths old, I always knew it may take us awhile. After 11mts with no luck first FS apt who said we were overreacting and to come back in 6 mths and he bet we would be preg. We are now on our 4th FS and have had several fresh and FET's with many resulting in chems. Our first clinic only did qualatative tests so you only got a neg not a HCG level so not exactly sure how many of the early ones were chem. I know over the years I've had loads of chems because I had all the symptoms and AF would be a few days late and then bam show up in full force. Thankfully we have no probs making embies they just won't stick.
In Dec 05 I decided I couldn't take anymore so we investigated adoption. We started the process Jan 07 and we are still waiting. It will be at least another 2 years before we receive our allocation but I will not go into too much detail as you are not allowed to continue IVF whilst waiting (which is ridiculous). But hey we need to do something to pass the time hey! Anyway in Oct 08 I started looking into surrogacy in India as we had just found out the intercounty adoption waiting times had blown out bigtime and we decided we should look at other options. We had some embies on ice at a clinic so decided to do PGD to rule out any genetic issues which came back fine and transferred the one which made it through only to get a chem again. We booked India and left in Feb 09 thinking that we would be lucky and get pregnany first go with twins. I started my cycle here and had EPU in Mumbai. The docs were all fantastic and the facilities great. We met our surrogate and her family which was just incredible, did the transfer and flew home so excited about getting the phone call to say we would be parents. Well best laid plans and all......it didn't work and we would go on to have three more attempts with FET's, working with two wonderful surrogates and then one last try with donor embies. So all up 5 goes and no luck. It was a crap year to say the least and I found myself so down and depressed by the end of 09. There have been many, many couples who we met and spoke with who have gone onto have beautiful babies so with us I can't say why but we just have really bad luck I guess.
I saw the 60mins interview with Dr Sacks late in 09 and decided to look into NK cells with him and it came back that mine were in fact high so here we are hoping that the treatment with prednisolone will do the trick.
We all deserve to be Mum's - with biological means, surrogacy or adoption, and I hope and pray that everyone here achieves that dream really soon.
Cheers Trea
Trea welcome you have such a story wow ! so glad you found us hope we can lighten your load in some small way
Murraycod don't fret I am not testing I will have AF before the end of the week and will be waiting for you to test, now take a deep breath and calm yourself women you know nothing yet you are being negative and its not good so say after me I have a real chance and Im gonna wait until I know the results before I get all negative !!!! cramps are good I got them too and sore boobage and sickness but I could be coming down with the flu and AF who knows !!!!
Wow, Trea, what a long, long journey you have been on, babe you must be so strong XX
Thanks for sharing X
Crafty, I had a dream last night we were all celebrating you r BFP ! Was so weird!
Iv'e been waking up every night since ET b/w 230 and 330 with the strongest urge too wee, never get up in the night ever to use the toilet, but the broken sleep is starting to wither my nerves.
Just a quick one i have to go to work i am 12dpo my temp went up again to 36.91 but a BFN for me so i am out sorry crafty.
Trea - hi and welcome to our new thread and thanks for sharing your story. You sure have been through a lot - I just can't face the waiting involved in adoption and could never get over the ban that stops you doing IVF while waiting. That's the main reason we didn't get the ball rolling on it and now I think we'd be too old. I don't know why it has to be so hard to offer a loving home to a child in need when so many of them are suffering - here and OS - it's just not fair. I still can't get over the need for police checks to do IVF in Victoria - it's outrageous. Anyway, I'm glad you have had a breakthrough knowing about the NK cells and hope the prednisolone works for you. I'll be taking it too on my next IVF, and antibiotics (have you heard of that? It's worth looking into as well, MurryCod I think took them this cycle) anyway, best of luck to you.
Crafty, that is so weird that MC mentioned her dream because I also had a dream that you were UTD! Well, more like a persistent thought than a dream. Sometimes I get really strong feelings about things and often I'm right so fingers crossed x
Ferrals - Your temp is so good to be that high that you would think it was a BFP coming your way so I'm really sorry it is another crappy BFN :( Hope the next cycle is the one and you don't have to do the IVF at the end of June/beginning of Jully but if you do have to we're all here and a few of us will be doing it at the same time so we'll go crazy together and hopefully your little blasties will be free from the genetic probs you have with your DH and your long wait will be over.
MurryCod - cramps suck and I'm sure it's doing your head in our damn bodies give us so much misinformation especially on IVF it's always hard to know what's real and what isn't. Well it's all real but YKWIM...is it the drugs or is it because AF is coming or is it because you are pg I hope it's because you are pg I really really do. Hang in there - it's the worst time this waiting it's a bit like rock climbing (ha not that I do it but I did it once and it seemed to me to be as much of a mental challenge as a physical one) so hard to keep the mind still. I always try to make a pact with myself that this time there will be no forecasting but of course I always do we're only human and what else can you think about? It's hard to think of other things and I'm sure you are doing your best to distract yourself to stop it but be kind to yourself no matter what happens you've done the very best
Sevie, Sunbeam, Trea, Porsche - how are you all today? I hope you've had good weekends.
AFM well my brother and his partner are doing their second go at IVF and I sort of understand why they told me - have the experience in common etc - but I wish they wouldn't it was hard enough when they got my niece from one go after all the years we have tried and they never seem to think about what it might be like for us to hear about it probably because we try to be excited and happy for them like everyone else while inside it hurts like hell. If we'd started IVF in May as planned we'd be doing it at the same time thank goodness we aren't - if they get a BFP and we didn't, don't know how I'd cope with that. Hate that all this sadness for our own loss can make me feel like that about my own brother but does feel like he was born under a lucky star - he always seems to get what he wants.
Did you read about poor Kit? Her 6 week scan didn't go well (bub's heart beat was too low) after all her bleeding she must be crushed she's having a break I tried to send a message but her box is full.
Sorry for the bummer post - wish I could cheer everyone up - has anyone been having fun bding - any silly stories to tell? I have AF so nothing exciting happening here x
Hi everyone, hopefully your weekend was nice. Both my DH and I worked on Sat so tonight's our 'sat nite' so to speak! I'm just about to go make dinner. My DH made our entre which was gyoza (dumplings) which were delish. Now I'm going to make glass noodles with prawns and chilli...yummmm! My DH's favourite.
Alice- I can really empathise with you. I've just had a collegue do her 1st IVF (after 2 IUI's), she got oodles of eggs on 66iu of FSH (!) and despite I really don't want others going through similar heartache to myself (logically), I was so (strangely) relieved when she recently got a BFN. Quietly, I felt SO guilty! I have a couple of friends who luckily conceived 1st go on IVF. It's great but so hard all the same. What a rollercoaster!!! It really is lovely to be able to express myself (honestly!) with you guys!
Hi Ladies
Hope you all had a great week end.
I'm going to try and do personals but i forget where every one is up to and I can't go back while I reply lol.
MurrayCod - I really hope that the cramping means BFP. I've got my FX for you.
Sevei - I know how you feel. I think it's a natural feeling. One of my co workers had a baby end of last month and my boss said that she wants to come in to work to print some stuff off or something. I don't think I'm quite ready to see the baby as yet but I have no idea how I'm going to get out of it.
Ferrals - I'm so sorry you got a BFN. When do you expect AF?
I know I missed quite a few of you and I apologise. I'll have to go back through and reply a little later while I'm at work.
AFM I'm CD3 today and 2nd day of clomid. Not much happeneing just waiting gor AF to leave the building.
Ferrals sorry about the BFN.Hope your not as many DPO as that and it is a BFP just too early to show. Sounds like you and Crafty must be cycle buddies. Crafty hope AF doesn't come.
Alice sorry to hear your brother was born under the lucky star. Wish you were there under the lucky star with him. It can be so hard can't it? My brother and ex bestie are due mid June not looking forward to that. Its their 2nd and 3rd in the time I have been ttc so seems so unfair that they can have successful outcomes twice in the time we can't even get 1.
Murraycod just have to add that I have a good feeling for you. Cramps aren't all bad at this stage actually if it was me I'd be excited as it would be around the time of implantation right? FX so tight that its a BFP in a week when you have your BT.
Sorry for the lack of personals. I was away camping for the weekend OMG the toilet was full of frogs. I though we were camping in luxury with a flushing loo but everytime you flushed it about 6 frogs came with it lol then I opened the cysten and there were like 50 in there.
Any how CD14 for me so the BD fest has commenced. Going to call the Dr today I have been avoiding it but now DH is going to if I don't so I better pull my finger out and do it and hopefully can get in for 2weeks time in which time either I will know I have a BFP (if only I could be that lucky) or AF is due so will be able to start the pill for our IVF cycle.
Morning ladies,
Where do i start i went to work yesterday prepared to see the pregnant skanks i work with ready to ignore them when an old work college came up to say hi and in the convo said so any news yet i said no she said she has her fingers crossed for us and said it will happen soon i just said i doubt it will ever happen (i don't know why i was so negative) while i was talking to her a male ex staff member came up to join the conversation and said oh what your still not pregnant my sister is for the 8th time i said good on her i don't care (WTF was i doing that was not nice) so they say their goodbyes i am left teary eyed but keep working then within 15 minutes my boys old preschool teacher came and siad hello i havnt seen her for a few years and in the conversation about my kids she says i am pregnant again i am not real happy i just had my 40th bday and was on the pill and only have one fallopian tube and the little sucker managed to get in there.
Well that was it i was pushed beyond what i could take i burst into tears and i was in the cashiers desk i couldn't walk away i still had to serve people they just came up to the window and looked at me like WTF they didnt know what to say i just cant believe so many pregnancy related comments i get why cant people just ask how have you been what have you been doing and if i want to discuss my inability to fall pregnant i will bring up the topic,
Needless to say my night was just frigging horrible.
Alice-thanks for the positive remark the only good thing that comes from my BFN is i will be doing IVF with some of you girls.
Did i tell you that it will just be normal ivf we are not doing PGD as it is to expensive so we wont be having the embryos tested we will just have to pray they pick a good one that is free from our bad gene but unfortunetly in our last PGD cycle our strongest embryo and the only one good enough at grade 2 to be tested was affected and we got pregnant with Abbi who was affected so to be honest it looks like the affected embryos seem to be stronger and do better so maybe we should pick a slow lower grade embryo.
And i know how you feel about your SIL if she gets a BFP it is so hard you want to be happy for people but deep down inside you hope it is a BFN i believe only because it is easier for us not to have to cope with more pain and disapointment if there were no pregnant people around me i would cope so much better.
The only people i want to see pregnant is the girls in here that i am struggling to ttc with.
My only funny BD story (well it was not the right BD time we were just fooling around before work yesterday )DH and i were have a great time getting into it when all of a sudden my DH daughter (who was visiting for the weekend comes to out bedroom door calling out puss puss puss come here puss puss i want to play and my DH says quietly to me daddy has his puss puss Well i burst into laughter so hard i was crying it was so funny i couldnt stop so needless to say it was very hard to continue because every time DH went to touch me i was in hysterics and then he started to lose his um! you know wind in his sail so that made me laugh even more so we gave up lol.
I did make it up to him when i got home last night.
Mildez-thanks hun but i doubt it.
Sevie-can i ask how do you know you have a poor ovarian reserve was it you FSH level or follicle count or response to ivf.
I discussed the option of donor ivf with DH either egg or sperm because we are both fertile it wouldnt matter which one but it would rule out our genetic fault so we would not have to worry about the 1 in 4 chance our baby had SLO but DH said no he wants our baby to be ours if we cant have our own baby he doesnt want one and i suppose i understand as we already have kids to our ex partners we just want one together that is made from us both.
I hope your ivf process speeds up a bit is it because of the therapy stuff and the wait to give the donor time to be sure they know what they are getting into.
Crafty-how are you going? my temp dropped to 36.16 this morning so if my cycle is like the last few months AF turns up 2-3 days after temp drop so should be here wed-thur.
Sunbeam-any news from you has AF turned up or are you still quietly hopeful?
Murrycod-I know you are stressed and being all negative and thinking the worst stop it!
Porshe-do you think clomid can help me get pregnant my cycles are normal i O every month but i have read that some women can still take it with normal cycles to help i am just wondering if there is other things to try before i do the whole invasive ivf road.
Well i think i have rambled enough sorry it took you all so long to read it i am stuck on the lounge with my furbabies on my lap so i cant move.
Have a good day it is my day off so i have housework to do Yeh! fun fun fun.