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Happy birthday Deb hope you have a lovely lunch & enjoy every minute of it.
Sending you big hugs as you ride the rollercoaster ride that is PAML.
Is this the thread for clomid for LPD rather than LMP? ;)
Thanx Danni
Have a lovely birthday and a lovely lunch Deb. :)
Happy birthday, Deb!
I must say that I have watched this thread with great interest. I am about to start clomid treatment for my PCOS and lack of ovulation, but the one time that I did actually ovulate for real, I had a shocking LPD also... The fact that it works on both problems is what finally convinced my husband that it is a good way to go.
BW
BW - welcome to our little corner!! I hope the clomid works really quickly for you and combined with the metformin you are in with a great shot. Deb has just started the flow and we are all hoping to follow ASAP.
Well back from the GP with my results and I was right (I think), they aren't good. She was quite happy with them, said it looked like I was ovulating and gave me the 'relax and give it 6 months for things to settle down, what's your hurry??' spiel. When I told her that I wasn't getting any younger, I got the usual response - she laughed. I know I'm 28, not 48 but isn't it up to me when I choose to have my babies??? :angry:
Anyway, I digress. I am struggling to interpret these bloody results but basically my cd21 prog. level was 20.9. Not a good result is it Deb? I think I read somewhere in this thread they like it to be at least 35 for it to be a good strong ovulation.
Anyway, will have to wait until I see my gyno on Tuesday before I know where we go from here. You should see the referral she gave me! I had to get a referral to see him in his private rooms, I'd been seeing him at the hospital clinic previously. She dobbed me in for the pain I have had (nothing major) in my left ovary after I told her I didn't want him to know that (if I have another cyst, it can bloody well stay there till I have another baby) and wrote "she is extremely anxious to become prg"! :doh: hehehe.
I'm fairly new to the concept of CD21 blood tests, but I do believe that a level of 20 is enough to indicate ovulation.
Good luck with the specialist appointment. Willow.
BW
Willow - I found this from the previous discussion
PROG
Reference Interval: Male adult: < 2 nmol/L
Female:
Follicular phase: < 2 nmol/L
Luteal phase: 5 - 90 nmol/L
Post-menopausal: < 2 nmol/L
Pregnancy:
1st trimester: 30 - 150 nmol/L.
2nd trimester: 50 - 460 nmol/L
3rd trimester: 170 - 800 nmol/L
Looking at that (remember you are not on clomid to stimulate mega ovulation like I am - accounting for my level of 90+) you have ovulated. If your cycle was a little out then you may have been still increasing your progesterone level (like Deb did - although she also got pregnant :rolleyes:) and that could be even better!!!
At least you have the referral to the specialist - one step closer to that baby!!
Wow, we have a second thread and a new friend! Welcome ButterflyWarrior (I drew the butterfly warrior card out of my angel pack today! - now what does that mean???)
I too digress.
I had a lovely lunch and am feeling all full and pampered! Just as you should on your birthday - girls I am 39 so this is my last 30 birthday!
Willow, 20 says you ovulated. It would be interesting to see a level repeat in another couple of days - I understand this is hard to get done. If you are asking me how I would feel personally about that level I would say you just scraped in. Remember though women conceive with those levels. It is wonderful you are ovulating, however I would think with that cd21 result that most obs would be happy to give you a help along with some clomid. Gp's would say, yep you ovulated. Obs would say mmm you just ovulated. Do you know what I mean? For example my obs wants to see a level of 40 to feel satisfied with hormonal balance and levels. However, I am 10 years older than you too.
Don't feel despondent as you are ovulating and it is highly likely that the clomid will give you a nice prog. level. :hugs:
I really understand how you feel as I felt quite down about my levels, but I also knew I could do something really positive about helping it.
The levels of prog. are contentious and all specialists will have there cut off points. Some will say they are happy with 30, some forty and maybe some lower I don't know. Each woman will have their own story from their own specialist.
You will see from Michelles level that hers was 90 - I wouldn't think that you would see a level like that without drugs. For example I tracked my prog.level after losing our daughter in March last year and my prog. levels were between 40 and 65.
Try not to get too hung up on the individual reading - however you are quite right to ask questions and as I said personally I think if you want a baby now and you don't want to play the wait and see game then stating this to your care provider is a good option. I totally understand this and I think most obs would be happy to give you a few rounds of clomid and see what happens. I think you will see good effect if this is what you choose.
You will get there Willow and Iam really happy you have your referral.
:hug:
Hi Guys, I'm at home now so can reply without looking over my shoulder :rolleyes:
Welcome BW, I don't think we've spoken before but thanks for the well wishes. I am pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff too! Hopefully we'll both sort it out and have bfp's before too long.
Thanks for that info Michelle, I searched the last thread for it but obviously missed it :)
Deb, so glad you had a nice bday and a good lunch with your girls. I feel the same way, I think I ovulated, but only just and that's not really enough to make me happy at the moment, especially with all this spotting going on.
I will see what my gyno says. I am really hoping he will take me seriously and do SOMETHING to help things along because playing the 'wait and see' game any longer is going to break me I think - I've been doing that since December last year, add to that about 20 visits to emergency, a couple of stints on the gynae ward, a heartbreaking m/c and lap surgery to boot and enough is enough in my book. I just hope that he will appreciate that i want to be proactive about this. He is the one that said following my surgery "if you're not prg in 5 months I want to know why". Well we are coming into the 4th month and I want to know why too!
While I was seeing my GP today she asked if i was "feeling better in myself" because last time I was there I was pretty hysterical and she referred me to that psychologist. I told her I was feeling much better but that the counselling didn't do much for me and I hadn't been back. She asked "then what happened to make you feel better? Something's happened". She's right - BB happened!!
Thank you guys for letting me butt into your thread and taking the time to talk this thru with me. It is a great comfort and helps more than you know. :hug:
Thankyou for your kind welcome!
I've got to admit I've stalked this thread since it first started - but was never really brave enough to post... I somehow felt that I wasn't allowed as it was in the M&L section.
But this is the only place I've found an in-depth discussion of LPDs and the actual physical/hormonal processes behind ovulation which has really appealed to my scientific brain.
Sadly, my acupuncturist and I are both thinking that this last ovulation of mine was another pretend one. Either my LP is behaving this time or it's going to be a lot longer before I can start clomid.
BW
Well done for finally posting (you wouldn't believe how long it took me to post in the MAL forums), these girls are just wonderful and would welcome anyone who had questions or something to contribute. :)
It is a tricky business this 'ovulation' - one which I have taken for granted up until this point but these girls really know their stuff so this is the place to be.
Here's hoping none of us have to hang around here for much longer and can all bugger off to the prg forums with Deb!
Hi girls,
I'm a newbie and really not up with all the acronyms yet. Does LPD stand for Luteal Phase Defect?? I have no kiddies and I've had two missed m/c's ,both had heartbeats in early scans and m/c's were not detected until 11weeks (Jan 24 and Aug.14 2006). I'm just in the process of investigating what tests I should have done and can have done with my GP as I can not get into ob.gyn until November!!?? Is LPD something that I should look into? I have a very regular 28 day cycle and have not had trouble falling-- just can't seem to hang onto my tiny bundles. Could progest. defect be to blame? Any info on tests I should look into would be appreciated. Feeling very much in the dark as I hoped this would not happen again!? Still feels very raw and I was determined that today would be the first day I didn't cry but I was reading other ladies stories on the M&L forum and I came undone again. I'm trying to put my losses in perspective and look at the big picture but finding it very hard to get out of my own head at the mo.-- Renewing my relationship with my good friend "Vino" though! xo
Hope,
Welcome to Belly Belly and to our little chat corner. I am sorry for the losses of your little ones. It is a hard road to walk, I understand...
In answer to your question - LPD usually affects a woman's ability to maintain very early pregnancy. If you ovulate say on cd14 and you have a period on cd24 this is a 10 day luteal phase (LP). If a woman were to conceive that cycle and implant on cd9 the progesterone level would be beginning to decline - this makes it impossible for a pregnancy to be maintained. However in the same cycle if a pregnancy implanted on cd6 then it would be possible and probable that the progesterone level would be high enough to maintain this very early pregnancy.
So, in your case I would say that you LP sounds lovely. Late losses are particularly awful, especially when they are undiagnosed. My first loss at almost 16weeks was detected on a routine visit. It was very very shocking and took me quite some time to work through. I am so sorry that you have experienced a similar thing. :hugs:.
Absolutely you should have some investigations. Don't let anyone tell you that
'we don't do anything until there are 3 concecutive losses'. At the beginning of the Trying to Conceive After Miscarriage Or Loss forum there are a list of tests for recurrent miscarriage. Get them all! I am sure you would have been told that it is most likely that no reason will be found - but if there is some problem then you will find it. Most of these tests only take a week or so to come back and your gp can order them.
I hope you get your answers and more than anything I hope that you soon conceive a beautiful sticky baby.
OMG just look at that ticker Deb!!! Only 34 weeks to go .... doesn't time fly when you are having fun. How are you feeling?? I hope you are well in a nauseous, sore (.)(.) and tired kind of way!!!
Hello there!
I am sooooooooooooooooo tired.... Boobies are not sore - they never are in pregnancy, a bit tingly on and off. Waves of nausea but nothing more - I don't suffer much from nausea in pregnancy either. I wish I did sometimes (really dumb thing to say I know!) just for the reassurance factor.
Next Wednesday is my u/sound. I will be releived to see a healthy heart beating on the screen. I get a nervous tummy just thinking of it!
Yep, 34 ish weeks to go - I lifetime away at the moment!
How are you going? Where are you AT? I hope things are looking good for you.... :hug:
I'm on nights - again!! The joys of 12 hour shifts!!! But at least the week is over in 3 days and you only work 6 days per fortnight. Probably ovulated last night / this morning (such pelvic congestion - I am sure I could have found free fluid on U/S :rolleyes:) so I slotted in another session with DH ;) Gotta be sure you give as many chances as possible.
Otherwise I am good. Getting over a virus but still have the cough to annoy me and make sleep challenging. Just hoping things will happen but resolved to them not happening until I get back to the gym regularly and that won't be until later this week assuming I stay well.
The U/S is coming up so fast!!! I can understand the nervous tummy but remember the positives ... growing, sticky bubba with a flickering heartbeat fluttering away on the screen. And it isn't dumb to want to be sick. I was only mildly nauseated with Caitlyn in the afternoons but for the next pregnancy I will be *happy* to be ill all day if I get that little bundle in the end.
I'll chat to you later but until then take care and keep thinking those positive thoughts!!
Thanks a bunch Flowerchild,
My GP was a little cautious about taking me on ( I think they prefer to handover to ob.gyn!?) so if I go loaded with a little info myself I'm sure it will be of some assistance. I'l print the list and take it with me to my appt on Thursday. I've decided to go the OPK route for the next couple of months until we're TTC again just so I can rule out LPD (or otherwise??). It's killing me waiting-- it's only been two weeks since my m/c and D&C and I can already feel my ovaries starting to do their thing! I know I should wait to TTC but it's hard to be rational about something so emotional. On one hand I'm scared to death of being pg again as I obviously don't want to go through the same thing a third time and be placed in the definite "recurrent miscarriage" box-- although then I may find medical professionals more willing to look at me. BUT... I also don't want to keep waiting to be a mum!
Thanks for getting to my post and a big CONGRATS on your impending bundle!!!! I hope to only be a few months behind you with a REALLY sticky one! I love your kiddies names btw. Hope xo
Hope,
Is there any prospect of seeing an obs? Some of my most darling friends are gps but their knowledge and understanding of miscarriage and subsequent pregnancy can be quite limited. (gross generalisation of course not all...)
If you could find an obs that you can say well look here's the deal.... with then it probably would be beneficial. You need a specialist who will work with you. You need to feel in control of your care to an extent.
I really don;t think you have to worry about LPD - do you know what day you ovulate? I would definitely do the opk's and this will tell you when you ovulate and you will be all prepared when it comes time to conceive again.
I understand so well the fear of being pregnant but yet again wanting it so much. Each month I didn't conceive there was a small part of me that relaxed knowing I didn't have the pregnancy to deal with for another few weeks. It sounds bizarre to someone who hasn't been there but I really do know that feeling... :hugs:
I hope you are not too far behind me also! I need some belly buddies and I am not leaving until I take you all with me!
Thanks for your reply Michelle - 12 hour nights I remember them well! It is exhausting. Yes, the afternoon is when I feel most of my nausea waves! I really am over stressing to an extent. I am just believing and picturing that baby in my arms!!!! I am feeling excited! Now, you get to work girl I want some buddies!!!!!
How are you Debbie? LilyLou? Butterfly? Willow? Saph? Chelle?
I am thinking of you all.... :hug:
I'm so touched you are thinking of me, Deb.
I'm really tired and drained at the moment. My grandmother has just been admitted to a hospice up in Newcastle, we saw her on Saturday and I barely recognised her. I don't think we will have that much time left and the fact that I live 2 hours away at the moment is getting to me.
I'm also really over the whole TTC thing. I just need AF to come so I can start my clomid, but it seems there's absolutely no progress in that department at all... in fact, I think I'm going backwards! I'm contemplating getting hold of some provera to induce AF so I can get started, but knowing my DH is going to be away for two weeks in September has me a little reluctant to force the issue there.
I won't talk too much, as I am very down, but I'm sure I just need some sleep and then I'll be ok.
BW
Thanks again Flowerchild,
I have an obs appt but it isn't until November. I thought if my GP could run the routine bloods I could at least go to the obs with a bit of a head start-- and maybe even something for him to monitor (!) if the autoimmune, etc comes back negative. After my first m/c we did all the right things and waited about 5 months before TTC. This time around I'm not feeling as patient. I'm 29 years old and DH and I thought we were doing everything right buying a house, doing the overseas trips we wouldn't be able to (afford to) do with kidlets, becoming financially secure, etc and now all I can think is I spent all that time trying not to get pg only to find when I eventually did...oh to be psychic!! Now it seems every woman I've ever met is duffed and I find myself thinking about my bubs that never were-- I actually had my last D&C on the day that my first one was due!!
Anyway thanks a bunch for your responses. I've found the forums generally so helpful and it's really comforting to hear others thinking and feeling as I do. Nice to know you're not alone!
:)
BW, you and I make a good pair at the moment - feeling that downward spiral sucking me in again. Have a few things going on at the moment that are putting all this ttc stuff to the fore. One of my best friends finally got her bfp after 18 months ttc and x2 ivf cycles but has had cramping and bleeding all week so I've been really stressed and worried for her. Got another bhcg result back today and all is looking perfect so that's a huge relief. My other best friend is due to announce her prg any day now (don't know if you all remember this story, this is the one who 'accidently' had two embies transferred back and is probably expecting her second set of twins) and I am very anxious about it. I don't know that I am going to be able to perform the 'proper' response ie all excited and happy and over the moon about it. Of course I am happy for her but there's a lot of other stuff mixed in there too. It's a complicated issue for me, it's become a complicated friendship actually. I have a big dinner in the city on Friday night with all my girls and am kind of dreading the 'big announcements'. I just don't want to make people uncomfortable, there is already talk of 'poor willow, this must be so hard for her'. I know they all love me and are genuinely looking out for me but I don't want anybody's pity, that just makes it harder. But again I will hold my chin up and get thru it as best I can :rolleyes:
I am also really anxious about my appt with my gyno tomorrow. I just hope he listens to what I have to say and is willing to do something proactive to help move things along for us. I am so sick of living in this limbo land.
ANYHOO, enough whining from me. Oh wait, one more thing - getting over a virus (Michelle, how are you going? Feeling better??) which has now caused a middle ear infection and after a week of fighting it off, have ended up on antibiotics anyway. My ears are killing me and I can't hear properly. OK, done now!
Deb, as usual you are a petal, thanks for asking about all of us. LOVE the ticker, too exciting!!! Glad you are feeling well but with a decent dose of nausea thrown in - that's what we like to hear! Cannot wait to hear all about your u/sound - not long to go now!
BW, so sorry about your grandmother and that AF still hasn't appeared - the provera sounds like a good idea to me! I hope things get moving for you soon too, big :hug: to you babe.
Big hello to everyone else, hope you are all well and busy out there working on those :bfp: 's - Deb needs some belly buddies!
Will pop back in tomorrow and let you know how my appt went.
Hi to everyone here :hello:
I haven't been on for ages, there are certainly a few of us now. I'm trying to not get caught up in it all too much (TTC) this time, it does become quite stressful :(
Thanks Deb for thinking of me too and once again CONGRATULATIONS.
Just want to wish everyone the best for a BFP, hoping we are all with Deb soon ::pray:
Just an update on me, I've decided that if this is not my month, I will also look into clomid. After D&C, my LP was only 7 days, although i may not have ovulated at all, it was a short cycle anyway which I suppose can be expected so soon. This cycle, i ovulated very early, around day 13. I'm now 5dpo and crossing everything. My temps aren't t great, wasn't a huge rise after o but did have a good rise this morning so not giving up yet. I've had pelvic pain today :confused: Feels like I need to use my bowels but haven't been able to which is kind of a good sign for me as this is something I dont normally suffer from. (I suffered this early in last pregnancy). Could also mean my prostergene (sp) levels are high, i think this can cause constipation (am I right?)
Debbie, how are your? haven't heard from you lately, hope all is well.
Good luck again to everyone
Oh Willow - thinking of you today... You talk straight to that gyno and I look forward to hearing how things go.
Sorry Butterfly about your Gran - distance makes it hard in times like these. I hope you got a good nights sleep... :hug:
Lily - yes it is higher progesterone that causes the old digestive tract to slow down - I always get a bit clogged after ovulation - let's hope that that progesterone continues to creep up with a nice strong dose of hcg thrown in!
Hope - Yes it's a good plan to get all the bloods done, just ensure that the homocysteine level is done on a fasting blood sample - this is sometimes not done and it can make a difference to the results....
I am good - doing lots of work on my head and picturing this baby growing strong and healthy! Havae a great day!
I'm a clomid girl!!! Took my first tablet about 2 hours ago.
Saw my gyno this morning with my results and there was no argument, no hesitation, he suggested Clomid straight up so I was really pleased with that, was exactly what I wanted. He's only put me on 25mg, (cd3-cd7) though which I'm a bit bummed about but it's my first round and I'm sure he's just being cautious. We'll see how we go. He did say he usually does it cd1-cd5 but that it was fine to start today if that's what I wanted - do you think this will make much of a difference?? I know that some people do cd5-cd9 too.
Although this is what I wanted I've found it quite confronting today, have spent most of the day in tears. I never in a million years would have thought I'd be going down the AC path. My DH is extremely upset about all this too which I wasn't expecting and it breaks my heart, I think he thought that I was worrying over nothing and that things would sort themselves out. I know it's not my fault but I feel guilty for putting him through all of this :crying:
All I can hope is that I get as good a result as you have Deb :pray:
Ok, my 'best' friend just called to tell me she's prg (the one with twins). Just what I needed today....great to be me!!
Go clomid go, go clomid go, gooooooo clomid!!!!!!!!!
:hugs: it is confronting, try looking at it a different way, you are taking a drug to regulate your hormones. In doing this you will enhance your chances of conception!
Nah, it won't make much difference about cdays. Obs all hvae their favorite time. Are you having a scan around cd 10 to check your follicles? Not all obs do this (I didn't have one done the cycle I conceived this baby on). I look forward to hearing your prog. levels and I am sending lots and lots of :fertilise: vibes your way!!!!! :hug:
hehehe, ah Deb, you always manage to make me smile :p
I am trying to be positive about all of this but it just seems like each step I take I end up further and further in the wrong direction.I think I just need a day to wallow and then I'll be right!
THIS IS GOING TO WORK - go clomid go, go clomid go, gooooooo clomid!!! :dance:
No, he hasn't ordered a scan, just bloods for cd21.
I have a question - he told us to just bd on cd14 - this doesn't sound right to me?? This is a WAY personal question but how often/when do you bd?? I am still going to use opk's i think just to give me an idea of when I ovulate.
I wouldn't just stick to cd14. Remember me I didn't ovulate until cd21! No way!!! He is just relying on the educated guess that you will ovulate about 6 days after your last dose....
Definitely use opk's - this way you will know about when you ovulate. My obs told me to get jiggy with it from cd10 - man were were exhasted by cd21!
I basically did it most days from cd10 to cd23. It worked! I of course used opk's as well which is how I knew I hadn't ovulated until cd21.
Wallow for a while if you need to, but you are on the road to success I am sure! :hug:
I'm feeling grumpy today... I had planned to call my gynecologist, get the results for DH's semen analysis ask for provera to induce a period because I'm so over waiting and check the fine details of the progesterone tests I'm having. Unfortunately, my gynecologist has left for the day, and I can't get the results. Have to call again between 1 and 5 tomorrow... because I work back on Wednesdays I'm left with the awkward predicament of needing to call from work, where there isn't really a private place to call anyone! :angry:
The thing that bugs me with the progesterone tests is that I will be taking clomid on days 5-9 and insists that is enough to cause me to ovulate on day 14, so I should have the test on day 21. I'm wondering though, if I don't ovulate until day 17 or 18, or perhaps even later, should I continue with the blood test on day 21, or wait until 7 days after I have ovulated... It's all just too confusing!
BW
Yeah, am going to bd from at least cd10 to 16 I think and keep an eye on my opk's too. I'm ovulating around cd14 at the moment, but I guess that could change like it did for you Deb.
Am a bit concerned that I'm only on 25mg, never heard of such a low dose. But am prepared to give it a month and see how we go.
Fingers crossed - :bfp: here we come!!!!
Hi Willow, my experience with late ovulation was an abberation and I wouldn't expect it to happen with you. It does happen but it is not the 'usual'. I would assume ovulation will occur around cd13, 14, 15 but as you said opk's are a really good idea - that way you will know within a fairly small window when ovulation has occured.
Hi Butterfly,
You are right in believing that a cd21 test would be of little benefit if you don't ovulate on cd14. The rule of thumb with prog.levels is that they are done 7 days before the onset of your next bleed. So, if you ovulate on cd18 I would be doing the prog.level on cd25. Although most gynaes will be happy to 'work with you'. So, you could do the level on cd21 (even if you ovulate on cd18) and repeat again on cd25. This is beneficial to an extent as you will see a slight rise in prog. on cd21 and then the 'proof in the pudding' on cd25. If you read back through my posts this is what I did.
It must be said though that the vast majority of women on clomid will ovulate somewhere between cd13-15. I was a bit of a tweak in the story! Cd5-9 is a common prescription for clomid - it really is dependent on the preference of the prescribing doctor. Again, I would recommend doing the opk's so you can be sure of around when you ovulate. Most women who take a few rounds of clomid will ovulate the same time each month. ie if you ovulate this cycle on cd16 you will likely ovulate on cd16 next month. However, I personally like to cover bases and use opk's. So, what I am saying is if you find you do ovulate later than cd14 do the prog test on cd21 but phone your doctor and ask for another prog level a few days later. He should be more than happy to fax a form to your nearest path clinic. Remember though if you ovulate on cd15 a cd21 test is likely to be quite accurate. It is only beneficial if you are more than a few days out.
I look forward to hearing your results today.
:hug: to everyone....
Hiya all!!!!
Wow so busy Welcome BW and Hope and willow....much luck to you all on this stressful journey.
Hi to Michelle and lilylou
Gosh we are all in the same boat, think it is way time to getout and join Deb!!
Well def crossing fingers for all of you that are heading into the 2ww.... we can get thru this and some BFP will be flowing left right and centre.:) .
As for me, well I got AF just like the specialist said,week and a half after surgery, and i thought I was never going to stop, but hey I did and now Im cd13.
My specialist said to BD on cd12,14 and 16 and go for 18 if I think I ovulate l8ta... I didnt start on cd10, hope that wasnt the lucky day to start,do you think every second day like he said is enough??? I have never done this, and am thinking maybe thats why I havent had any luck lately...I didnt get any OPKs this month,am wishing I did, def next month if no luck. I know im about to ovulate, or am because ov the pain and bloating, which I thought would go away after surgery, ah well, I know im bang on cd14-15 for ovulating.(she hopes)
I have to do the prog 21 day test for 2 months, so we can make sure that is all working, and to help confirm if I do ovulate later, and in this case he said you would BD on 14,16,18,20!!!
Im happy with my specialist as he knows Im on a mission till end ov year, and said if things dont look good, clomid for me, and hey I say bring it on!! if its going to get me my precious bundle so deperately wanted.
Hope you are all having a great day
Take care
Oh.... Deb roll on to your scan, heartbeat here we come:) yahoooooooooooo
cya
OK girls, someone talk some sense into me - I am seriously contemplating taking 50mg instead of the 25mg my Dr has prescribed :eek: . I know, I know, it's nuts. I know it's the fear talking to me. I am so scared of being in the exact same place next month.
Michelle, I'd really be interested in what you think about this as I seem to remember you saying in the first thread that you were naughty too and did this - increased your dose from 50mg to 100mg???? But maybe I misread it and you did it with your drs agreement.
I just don't see 25mg doing much of anything at all and I WISH I'd thought more about it at the time and asked him to go straight to 50mg. I guess I could ring him and talk to him about it but he's a very hard man to get hold of and I'm pretty sure Weds is a surgery day for him.
Also wanted to ask if you guys are taking anything else - vitex, B6 etc?? If so, what do they do and do you think it's worthwhile me taking them??
BW, i just read in another thread that you are seeing an accupuncturist that specialises in fertility issues - where in Sydney do you see him/her??
Sorry for all the questions, I am frying it a bit today..... :(
Hi Willow, Deb, Chelle, and everyone else... so many of us!
I'm still sitting here anxiously awaiting news of DH's semen analysis - it was 4:30 before I finished at work, and I sat in the car for 15 minutes trying to get through on my mobile but it was engaged EVERY time! After 15 minutes I gave up and got DH to call... not sure if I want to call him or wait until he gets home. I will at least finish much earlier tomorrow so will have the freedom to call quite easily if DH didn't get through.
Willow, this will seem quite strange when you hear where I'm going for acupuncture. The full story behind it is that my DH saw a bowen therapist for back problems, in their discussion of things he was taking the zinc supplement the naturopath put him on was mentioned and it came out that the bowen therapist also has PCOS but now has two teenage boys and had help falling pregnant from a particular acupuncture practice in Rozelle! :eek:
So I drive all the way from Windsor to Rozelle every week for acupuncture! It is the Rozelle Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine Centre and they specialise in infertility (male and female factor), PCOS, chronic fatigue, the list goes on! With my history of CFS and arthritis on top of the PCOS I thought it was a good idea to be having natural therapies in conjunction with mainstream medical treatment, particularly as they tend to look at the whole system and not just the isolated bit that mainstream medicine focuses on. DH's results for the sperm analysis will decide whether he becomes a patient as well or not.
BW
Hi Willow. I was a naughty girl and increased my dose, but that was after 3 cycles at the prescribed level and only after some research. It was also just before my first IVF appointment :rolleyes: Are you within a normal weight range?? Try this first cycle and have your bloods checked to monitor effectiveness of ovulation. Also see how the symptoms effect you. I needed to take it at night to minimise my side effects. Although that routine was stuffed up this cycle with night shift in the middle of days 2-6!!
I see an acupuncturist in Annandale. Ngaio Richards also specialises in fertility acupuncture but I have also heard of the clinic BW goes to and was looking at making a booking before I got referred on to Ngaio.
BW - how did the SA go??
:hello: to all you other lovelies. I'll chat later.
:crying: The sperm analysis was pretty crappy... I was ok earlier, but I think as realisation has hit... now I can't stop crying.
only 5 million in sperm count and 15% motility - I don't think they checked morphology, or we weren't given that number.
DH has been told to take zinc (which he's been doing for several months now), vitamin E, wear boxers and we'll repeat the test in three months.
I'm going to chat to Leah (acupuncturist) on Friday to see what she can recommend, but right now I'm feeling pretty devestated.
BW
O BW im so sory to hear you are going thru this. I dont know much about SA, so i feel a little ignorant. Big hugs to you and DH
I am so sorry BW :hugs: for you. To give you some reassurance, there can be significant disparities in SA samples so a recheck is a valuable option. What has the specialist said about the result and your conception chances?? It is difficult enough to have your own fertility issues without adding extra worries for you. I hope you can get some positive answers ASAP.