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    Keep chatting here girls, last thread is here


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    Happy birthday Deb hope you have a lovely lunch & enjoy every minute of it.

    Sending you big hugs as you ride the rollercoaster ride that is PAML.

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    Is this the thread for clomid for LPD rather than LMP?

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    Thanx Danni

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    Have a lovely birthday and a lovely lunch Deb.

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    Happy birthday, Deb!

    I must say that I have watched this thread with great interest. I am about to start clomid treatment for my PCOS and lack of ovulation, but the one time that I did actually ovulate for real, I had a shocking LPD also... The fact that it works on both problems is what finally convinced my husband that it is a good way to go.

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    BW - welcome to our little corner!! I hope the clomid works really quickly for you and combined with the metformin you are in with a great shot. Deb has just started the flow and we are all hoping to follow ASAP.

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    Well back from the GP with my results and I was right (I think), they aren't good. She was quite happy with them, said it looked like I was ovulating and gave me the 'relax and give it 6 months for things to settle down, what's your hurry??' spiel. When I told her that I wasn't getting any younger, I got the usual response - she laughed. I know I'm 28, not 48 but isn't it up to me when I choose to have my babies???

    Anyway, I digress. I am struggling to interpret these bloody results but basically my cd21 prog. level was 20.9. Not a good result is it Deb? I think I read somewhere in this thread they like it to be at least 35 for it to be a good strong ovulation.

    Anyway, will have to wait until I see my gyno on Tuesday before I know where we go from here. You should see the referral she gave me! I had to get a referral to see him in his private rooms, I'd been seeing him at the hospital clinic previously. She dobbed me in for the pain I have had (nothing major) in my left ovary after I told her I didn't want him to know that (if I have another cyst, it can bloody well stay there till I have another baby) and wrote "she is extremely anxious to become prg"! hehehe.

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    I'm fairly new to the concept of CD21 blood tests, but I do believe that a level of 20 is enough to indicate ovulation.

    Good luck with the specialist appointment. Willow.

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    Willow - I found this from the previous discussion

    PROG
    Reference Interval: Male adult: < 2 nmol/L
    Female:
    Follicular phase: < 2 nmol/L
    Luteal phase: 5 - 90 nmol/L
    Post-menopausal: < 2 nmol/L
    Pregnancy:
    1st trimester: 30 - 150 nmol/L.
    2nd trimester: 50 - 460 nmol/L
    3rd trimester: 170 - 800 nmol/L


    Looking at that (remember you are not on clomid to stimulate mega ovulation like I am - accounting for my level of 90+) you have ovulated. If your cycle was a little out then you may have been still increasing your progesterone level (like Deb did - although she also got pregnant ) and that could be even better!!!

    At least you have the referral to the specialist - one step closer to that baby!!

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    Wow, we have a second thread and a new friend! Welcome ButterflyWarrior (I drew the butterfly warrior card out of my angel pack today! - now what does that mean???)
    I too digress.
    I had a lovely lunch and am feeling all full and pampered! Just as you should on your birthday - girls I am 39 so this is my last 30 birthday!

    Willow, 20 says you ovulated. It would be interesting to see a level repeat in another couple of days - I understand this is hard to get done. If you are asking me how I would feel personally about that level I would say you just scraped in. Remember though women conceive with those levels. It is wonderful you are ovulating, however I would think with that cd21 result that most obs would be happy to give you a help along with some clomid. Gp's would say, yep you ovulated. Obs would say mmm you just ovulated. Do you know what I mean? For example my obs wants to see a level of 40 to feel satisfied with hormonal balance and levels. However, I am 10 years older than you too.

    Don't feel despondent as you are ovulating and it is highly likely that the clomid will give you a nice prog. level. :hugs:
    I really understand how you feel as I felt quite down about my levels, but I also knew I could do something really positive about helping it.

    The levels of prog. are contentious and all specialists will have there cut off points. Some will say they are happy with 30, some forty and maybe some lower I don't know. Each woman will have their own story from their own specialist.

    You will see from Michelles level that hers was 90 - I wouldn't think that you would see a level like that without drugs. For example I tracked my prog.level after losing our daughter in March last year and my prog. levels were between 40 and 65.

    Try not to get too hung up on the individual reading - however you are quite right to ask questions and as I said personally I think if you want a baby now and you don't want to play the wait and see game then stating this to your care provider is a good option. I totally understand this and I think most obs would be happy to give you a few rounds of clomid and see what happens. I think you will see good effect if this is what you choose.

    You will get there Willow and Iam really happy you have your referral.




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    Hi Guys, I'm at home now so can reply without looking over my shoulder

    Welcome BW, I don't think we've spoken before but thanks for the well wishes. I am pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff too! Hopefully we'll both sort it out and have bfp's before too long.

    Thanks for that info Michelle, I searched the last thread for it but obviously missed it

    Deb, so glad you had a nice bday and a good lunch with your girls. I feel the same way, I think I ovulated, but only just and that's not really enough to make me happy at the moment, especially with all this spotting going on.

    I will see what my gyno says. I am really hoping he will take me seriously and do SOMETHING to help things along because playing the 'wait and see' game any longer is going to break me I think - I've been doing that since December last year, add to that about 20 visits to emergency, a couple of stints on the gynae ward, a heartbreaking m/c and lap surgery to boot and enough is enough in my book. I just hope that he will appreciate that i want to be proactive about this. He is the one that said following my surgery "if you're not prg in 5 months I want to know why". Well we are coming into the 4th month and I want to know why too!

    While I was seeing my GP today she asked if i was "feeling better in myself" because last time I was there I was pretty hysterical and she referred me to that psychologist. I told her I was feeling much better but that the counselling didn't do much for me and I hadn't been back. She asked "then what happened to make you feel better? Something's happened". She's right - BB happened!!

    Thank you guys for letting me butt into your thread and taking the time to talk this thru with me. It is a great comfort and helps more than you know.

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    Thankyou for your kind welcome!

    I've got to admit I've stalked this thread since it first started - but was never really brave enough to post... I somehow felt that I wasn't allowed as it was in the M&L section.

    But this is the only place I've found an in-depth discussion of LPDs and the actual physical/hormonal processes behind ovulation which has really appealed to my scientific brain.

    Sadly, my acupuncturist and I are both thinking that this last ovulation of mine was another pretend one. Either my LP is behaving this time or it's going to be a lot longer before I can start clomid.

    BW

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    Well done for finally posting (you wouldn't believe how long it took me to post in the MAL forums), these girls are just wonderful and would welcome anyone who had questions or something to contribute.

    It is a tricky business this 'ovulation' - one which I have taken for granted up until this point but these girls really know their stuff so this is the place to be.

    Here's hoping none of us have to hang around here for much longer and can all bugger off to the prg forums with Deb!

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    Hi girls,
    I'm a newbie and really not up with all the acronyms yet. Does LPD stand for Luteal Phase Defect?? I have no kiddies and I've had two missed m/c's ,both had heartbeats in early scans and m/c's were not detected until 11weeks (Jan 24 and Aug.14 2006). I'm just in the process of investigating what tests I should have done and can have done with my GP as I can not get into ob.gyn until November!!?? Is LPD something that I should look into? I have a very regular 28 day cycle and have not had trouble falling-- just can't seem to hang onto my tiny bundles. Could progest. defect be to blame? Any info on tests I should look into would be appreciated. Feeling very much in the dark as I hoped this would not happen again!? Still feels very raw and I was determined that today would be the first day I didn't cry but I was reading other ladies stories on the M&L forum and I came undone again. I'm trying to put my losses in perspective and look at the big picture but finding it very hard to get out of my own head at the mo.-- Renewing my relationship with my good friend "Vino" though! xo

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    Hope,
    Welcome to Belly Belly and to our little chat corner. I am sorry for the losses of your little ones. It is a hard road to walk, I understand...

    In answer to your question - LPD usually affects a woman's ability to maintain very early pregnancy. If you ovulate say on cd14 and you have a period on cd24 this is a 10 day luteal phase (LP). If a woman were to conceive that cycle and implant on cd9 the progesterone level would be beginning to decline - this makes it impossible for a pregnancy to be maintained. However in the same cycle if a pregnancy implanted on cd6 then it would be possible and probable that the progesterone level would be high enough to maintain this very early pregnancy.

    So, in your case I would say that you LP sounds lovely. Late losses are particularly awful, especially when they are undiagnosed. My first loss at almost 16weeks was detected on a routine visit. It was very very shocking and took me quite some time to work through. I am so sorry that you have experienced a similar thing. :hugs:.

    Absolutely you should have some investigations. Don't let anyone tell you that
    'we don't do anything until there are 3 concecutive losses'. At the beginning of the Trying to Conceive After Miscarriage Or Loss forum there are a list of tests for recurrent miscarriage. Get them all! I am sure you would have been told that it is most likely that no reason will be found - but if there is some problem then you will find it. Most of these tests only take a week or so to come back and your gp can order them.

    I hope you get your answers and more than anything I hope that you soon conceive a beautiful sticky baby.

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    OMG just look at that ticker Deb!!! Only 34 weeks to go .... doesn't time fly when you are having fun. How are you feeling?? I hope you are well in a nauseous, sore (.)(.) and tired kind of way!!!

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    Hello there!
    I am sooooooooooooooooo tired.... Boobies are not sore - they never are in pregnancy, a bit tingly on and off. Waves of nausea but nothing more - I don't suffer much from nausea in pregnancy either. I wish I did sometimes (really dumb thing to say I know!) just for the reassurance factor.

    Next Wednesday is my u/sound. I will be releived to see a healthy heart beating on the screen. I get a nervous tummy just thinking of it!

    Yep, 34 ish weeks to go - I lifetime away at the moment!

    How are you going? Where are you AT? I hope things are looking good for you....

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