thanks guys some good ideas there, i had forgotten about Zucchinni slice used to eat it all the time growing up and DH makes the most wicked rissoles still perservering with the fruit I might give the fruit smoothy a go nothing else seems to be tempting her in this direction. Have even considered getting her carers to put her fruit on the plate of the child sitting next to her at meal times because this apparently holds more interest than her own food LOL