Senior Campus allowing students to smoke

[LimeSlice]

Sorry but that just doesn't even sound right.

There is no way the school would provide designated on campus smoking areas of the school - it is illegal for one, and doesn't make any sense.

I would be questioning this friend of your sons.
We smoked on campus, but while the teachers did what they could to discourage it, there were also areas the teachers didn't venture regularly - it was never condoned nor acceptable though and they most certainly did not set up designated areas where it was allowed.

I think your sons friend is full of the proverbial.

[PumpkinZulu]

Yeah I was going to say, I think your sons friend is talking out of his arse. My second high school had people smoking on the oval, but it wasn't an area designed for that purpose. Yes, many teachers turned a blind eye, so we would feel like it was pretty much 'allowed' there. We were a senior campus, and as such were ALL allowed out of campus at lunch time, and those who has cars would take people to parks etc..in fact our drama teacher did too

Efjay I think Glam made some really excellent points in her post, your response seems a little harsh.

[LimeSlice]

lol did you go to Sandy PZ??

[*Efjay*]

Not saying she is wrong. Just pointing out that when you are a teenager you *Think* it looks cool & attractive but its not.

[Phteven]

Yep that sounds real attractive.

I'm sure you can look back on it & see the same.. But really Teenagers don't look cool or attractive hanging around outside shops begging for older people to buy them smokes. they look pathetic.

I'm pretty sure that what looks attractive to you and what looks attractive to a 'sympathetic' older man are different things.

Personally I thought that there was a lot of wisdom in Glam's post.

[PumpkinZulu]

lol did you go to Sandy PZ??

Oh ****, sooo busted. Haha I thought my description was kinda vague...was it the teachers taking us on smoko's that gave me away?

[LimeSlice]

Nah, just the reference to S... ;p
Poor sod, I am the one who gave him a smoke again - he was going so well too

[toomanyshoes]

How about duty of care to asthmatic children? Passive smoking and all that.

I understand what glam is saying but should we start providing injection rooms at schools if there is someone addicted to drugs? IMO smoking, drinking and drugs shouldn't ever be tolerated at school. We shouldn't be encouraging them.

[*Efjay*]

Never said anyone had to agree with me.
Most of you by now should know I don't care if you do or don't agree & say it how I see it.

[Ginger]

i think it's absolutely appalling. i am a teacher and if this kind of policy was implemented at my school i would be absolutely up in arms about it. i don't care if students are addicted. too bad.
we actually used to run quit programs at our school for any students caught smoking- they had to attend 6 sessions in their free periods.

[PumpkinZulu]

Nah, just the reference to S... ;p
Poor sod, I am the one who gave him a smoke again - he was going so well too

Lol no way! Ahh I had a good time there

[Yeddi]

If I found out my kids school were allowing other kids to smoke around MY kids, when we dont allow it here at home, I would be murderous.

Yes, I was going to say what about the 2nd and 3rd hand smoke? It's one thing for a kid to pollute their own lungs, it's quite another to subject the non-smokers around them to it too.

[Catastrophic]

*shakes head* I just don't get it - Why would they want to promote such a horrible unhealthy addictive habit?

I understand what you are saying Glam, But i really think they should be going the other way, in offering patches and quit programs, etc to help with the addiction not promote it.

[STARRYSKY]

Does this school have "adult re entry"? I ask because when I was 17 I went back to school as an adult re entry student, (having dropped out at 15) to do year 11, there was a designated area for the "adults" to smoke, basically behind a shed right at the back of the school.
Adult re entry didnt have to wear school uniform so it was pretty obvious if one of the "school" kids were in there.


I honestly would have thought though that these days the same wouldnt be happening, the crack downs on smokers is huge and widespread, seeing as one cant even smoke in a BAR these days, any sort of learning/education system would be a no go area.

[Starfish]

First of all - I agree 110% with everything that Glam has written.

Secondly - I am reading some of these posts and thinking "what planet do you live on??" Because here on earth, smoking happens. It is legal (after a certain age), and every individual has a choice of whether they want to do it or not. Same with everything else. You can drink alcohol. Or not. Your choice. You can eat junk food. Or not. Etc. Just because someone doesn't like something, or thinks that something doesn't sit right within their moral compass, does not make that certain something any less real. It is still going to happen. So how is ignoring it and pretending that it doesn't happen help??
(Which is what I read these posts as suggeting - don't allow smoking at any costs and punish those who do = those who do smoke will just pretend that they don't do it and keep on doing it anyway in secret.)

I say good on the school - seeing a problem and tackling it in a realistic way. Prohibition is an old fashioned law that has never worked (banning alcohol or drugs or sex never stopped the practice, so why are people still thinking that prohibiting people to do something that they want to do is actually going to stop them doing it??)

Another thing I don't get is: how does "allowing" something to happen equal "promoting" it? I would say it's the opposite - allowing something takes away that forbidden taboo factor that draws so many teenagers to do stupid things.

People will do what they want to do and not allowing them simply drives the behaviour underground, leading to danger (e.g. kids going out of school grounds to smoke and getting hit by cars, or abducted, or worse...)

[toomanyshoes]

First of all - I agree 110% with everything that Glam has written.

Secondly - I am reading some of these posts and thinking "what planet do you live on??" Because here on earth, smoking happens. It is legal (after a certain age), and every individual has a choice of whether they want to do it or not. Same with everything else. You can drink alcohol. Or not. Your choice. You can eat junk food. Or not. Etc. Just because someone doesn't like something, or thinks that something doesn't sit right within their moral compass, does not make that certain something any less real. It is still going to happen. So how is ignoring it and pretending that it doesn't happen help??
(Which is what I read these posts as suggeting - don't allow smoking at any costs and punish those who do = those who do smoke will just pretend that they don't do it and keep on doing it anyway in secret.)

I say good on the school - seeing a problem and tackling it in a realistic way. Prohibition is an old fashioned law that has never worked (banning alcohol or drugs or sex never stopped the practice, so why are people still thinking that prohibiting people to do something that they want to do is actually going to stop them doing it??)

Another thing I don't get is: how does "allowing" something to happen equal "promoting" it? I would say it's the opposite - allowing something takes away that forbidden taboo factor that draws so many teenagers to do stupid things.

People will do what they want to do and not allowing them simply drives the behaviour underground, leading to danger (e.g. kids going out of school grounds to smoke and getting hit by cars, or abducted, or worse...)

IMO there is a difference between all those things and smoking, my major concern is 2nd hand smoke, you may choose to smoke but because I don't want to and I don't want my kids exposed should we walk around holding our breaths?

I don't see how this is smart of the school? Smoking is a problem, are there any parents out there who actually want their kids to smoke? And IMO I think its about time we stopped taking such a relaxed attitude about such things and thinking "well it happens so why not facilitate it".

[diannescruffy]

My problem with allowing students to smoke on the grounds is as I've said before DS was smoking and yes kids will experiment and do but it is going to make it so much harder for him now that he has given up and will so for others who want to give up. They are still underage in a public school on public property.

Regards,
Dianne

[Pretty Butterfly]

First of all - I agree 110% with everything that Glam has written.

Secondly - I am reading some of these posts and thinking "what planet do you live on??" Because here on earth, smoking happens.

Not in my house it doesnt. Nor at the restaurants, shops, or at most places actually. Its illegal to smoke in your car with underagers too.



It is legal (after a certain age), and every individual has a choice of whether they want to do it or not. Same with everything else. You can drink alcohol. Or not. Your choice. You can eat junk food. Or not. Etc. Just because someone doesn't like something, or thinks that something doesn't sit right within their moral compass, does not make that certain something any less real.

It might be "real", but its still crap. Smoking is smelly, disgusting and a MAJOR health risk, that happens to be highly addictive. Every individual DOES NOT HAVE CHOICE....it is ILLEGAL for a lot of them, esp with second hand smoking. And especially very young impressionable kids. Are we really supposed to cater to a minority group at school, and give smoking even more exposure to kids????


It is still going to happen. So how is ignoring it and pretending that it doesn't happen help??
(Which is what I read these posts as suggeting - don't allow smoking at any costs and punish those who do = those who do smoke will just pretend that they don't do it and keep on doing it anyway in secret.)

Good, let them. Why should my kids be more exposed to it?? Its hard enought to parent teens, but to a have a SCHOOL throw it back in your face and say "Too bad, we'll let them smoke here if you wont let them at home" seems absurd!!!


I say good on the school - seeing a problem and tackling it in a realistic way. Prohibition is an old fashioned law that has never worked (banning alcohol or drugs or sex never stopped the practice, so why are people still thinking that prohibiting people to do something that they want to do is actually going to stop them doing it??)

Riiight, because kids are all at school shagging on the oval and drinking in the canteen.... it seems to work from where I sit....

Another thing I don't get is: how does "allowing" something to happen equal "promoting" it? I would say it's the opposite - allowing something takes away that forbidden taboo factor that draws so many teenagers to do stupid things.

Becasue my kids have NO acces to that crap here.. but if its allowed at school, they can happily take up smoking, right in front the teachers.... atm they would have to sneak off with others, which is much harder, and something I dont think my kids would do.. but if a mate can just pull out a pack, and pass them round... of course more kids are going to try, AND get addicted....

People will do what they want to do and not allowing them simply drives the behaviour underground, leading to danger (e.g. kids going out of school grounds to smoke and getting hit by cars, or abducted, or worse...)

So again, pander to the illegal minority, and bugger the risks to the kids that currently DONT smoke, and the parents trying their bloody hardest to take away most temptations??

Again, I'm so freakin glad this crap will never happen at my kids school..... as if parenting wasnt hard enough, we now have schools going against us too... thats just great.....

sorry, the quotey bits didnt come out how I thought it would.. Ill try to fix it.....