no father on birth cert. Centrelink wont pay until someone is on there help

[Lulu]

I do think a certain amount of pressure is warranted. It IS a rare case that they truly don't know - and to deny the name when you DO know (no matter what the situation) is not on.

They do it for lots of reasons - lots of times because a friend did it and then goes and tells everyone else how they lied about it. OR they may be being threatened by the father that doesn't want to pay CS OR they are told by 'well meaning' friends that lying about it is fine.
You can't change paternity for personal convenience.

[maz]

I have to fullheartedly agree wiht Lulu. Having father unknown is a terrible thing to see on a birth cerficate.
eg
one of my besties eldest and her boyfriend spanked the monkey, split and found out later that she was pg. She knew who it was but still put father un known on DS' birth certificate. Then her and boyfriend patched things up and ended up getting married.....having 2 more children with fathers name on all certificates. Friends eldest son discovered his birth certificate and was an emotional wreak cause he thought his dad wasnt his dad and that he didnt love him. HE then had to 'adopted' his own son.

It might not be easier now as you put it...but why not but up with the crap now when there are no children envolved rather then hurt their souls later in life.

[GlitterMum]

thanks so much everyone and bg. Just to make it clear my brother and his girlfriend both want him on the birth cert. Just worried that the police can press charges without the parents request. It is a very horrible situation but they are both in it together and want to be a family. The law just wont let them. Bg i will def speak to legal aide today and get sil to put in a complaint about the worker. She has already seen the social worker who has said its ok if she doesnt know who the dad is. It is hurting her so much by not putting my brother on there cause they truley do love each other. Thanks again so so much xx

[LimeSlice]

You really need to find out the exact legalities of the Stat Rape laws here in WA. Im not sure if they are dramarically different from vic or not.
From my personal experience with them, which was 10 years ago now, Statutory Rape charges can ONLY be brought by the parents of the minor child involved.

I will have a chat to a friend of mine today and get back to you about this.

[Lulu]

Clarify the law - I don't think there is anything stopping them. Don't make these decisions on assumptions ok? Put him on the birth cert - nothing is stopping them doing that either.

[GlitterMum]

Thanks so much Limeslice I really appreciate it.

Lulu - We will def find out the facts first. We thought that you could just change the Birth Cert in 2 years time when she is 16. We didnt know about all the rigmoral about adopting and things.
I just hope it all works out for them and that my brother will not go to jail.

[LimeSlice]

Bee - the birth certificate is a legal document designed to be very difficult to change and to record all the particulars required for identifying someone through out their life.
It is never as simple as "oh we will just change it" - that would defeat the purpose of the document in the first place.
I understand your fears, but be aware that this one document will follow this child and indeed your family long after you are dead and gone...It is a document intended to still identify this person long after their own death and establish family connections etc.

It is unusual for a statutory rape offender i these circumstances to actually go to jail. He will be registered as a sex offender though - that would be my main concern. They don't discriminate about that. (If the parents press charges)
Like I said though, I will find out some details for you and get back to you.

[LionsandBears]

I think they should go to Legal Aid. It looks like trying to avoid one problem may create a bigger one.

• If your brother is not on the birth certificates, he has no legal rights to the child
• They are currently lying to a government department. If someone dobbed them in (I imagine friends and family know), then they can be charged with breaking the law.
• A child deserves to know who his legal parent are. As pp have said, denying paternity can have nasty consequences.
• The basic fact is he has already broken the law by having sex with a child. There's a reason for the age of consent. If they get legal advice, fess up now, he can cop the consequences and then they can get on with their lives.
• Harsh as this sounds, but I'd like to know that the parents of a child are taking financial responsibility for them, rather than expecting the tax payer to foot the bill. By avoiding having his name on the cert, he can get away with avoiding his financial responsibility, which the rest of us then pick up.

I realise it's stressful and you don't want your brother to get into trouble. But he's a father and an adult. He needs to man up and face the consequences. Lying to one authority to avoid getting into trouble with another authority is child-like behaviour. He's just going to have to grow up so he can be an example to his child.

[Lulu]

[*]If your brother is not on the birth certificates, he has no legal rights to the child.

Can you verify this? I'm not sure it's true. If he is the biological father of the child, those rights remain.

I'd like to clear this up. It's quoted alot and if you get people running about not listing fathers on b/c for their own agendas it does more harm than good.

[Visitor7]

Can you verify this? I'm not sure it's true. If he is the biological father of the child, those rights remain.

I'd like to clear this up. It's quoted alot and if you get people running about not listing fathers on b/c for their own agendas it does more harm than good.

I agree Lulu. I was of the belief (not knowledge) that providing a paternity test comes back that he is in fact the child's father, then he does have legal rights. I must try and find something about this.

bee84 - It is certainly an awful mess that your brother and his gf are in. It sounds like though that they are being mature about it, and looking towards the future, which is fantastic! For the gf to enrol into school is wonderful. I really hope she makes something of it, and has the support behind her. It certainly won't be easy, with a baby and studying, but if she can put her mind to it, I'm sure she can do it.
And your brother does sound like he's doing the right thing, by providing for them. I really hope for your brothers sake that he can see his gf again soon.
I'm praying that this mess gets cleared up soon for you all.

[LionsandBears]

Can you verify this? I'm not sure it's true. If he is the biological father of the child, those rights remain.

I'd like to clear this up. It's quoted alot and if you get people running about not listing fathers on b/c for their own agendas it does more harm than good.

Actually, I found I made an assumption. Like most assumptions, turns out I?m wrong (or at least not 100% right) , so I apologise for that. He does have legal rights, but he may find it difficult to prove his paternity legally. If he tries to prove he?s the father, then various government agencies will know the mother lied about not knowing who the father is and there?ll be further consequences.

It seems, to be legally deemed to be the father, he needs:

• to named on the birth certificate, or
• get a court order
• fill out a stat dec based on DNA testing result - this is for CSA

I'm not 100% on this - I can't find a whole lot of information about establishing paternity in WA. There's a lot about people denying paternity, but not establishing it.

Research I?ve found includes:
The Births, Deaths and Marriages Registration Act 1998 requires that a child?s birth is registered within 60 days of the birth and that both parents complete and sign a Birth Registration Form provided to them by the hospital or midwife.
Adding father's details

Both parents are jointly responsible for having the child?s birth registered.
BIRTHS, DEATHS AND MARRIAGES REGISTRATION ACT 1998 - SECT 15
BIRTHS, DEATHS AND MARRIAGES REGISTRATION ACT 1998 - SECT 18

False representation can lead to a fine of $10,000.

BIRTHS, DEATHS AND MARRIAGES REGISTRATION ACT 1998 - SECT 59
59 . False representation
A person must not make a false or misleading representation in an application or document under this Act, knowing it to be false or misleading.
Penalty: $10 000

Other research:

There are two ways of establishing paternity. The first is under the Family Law Act. The second is under the Status of Children Act 1974 (Vic.)
The Family Law Act establishes certain presumptions of parentage. Like all legal presumptions, they may be counteracted by proof to the contrary on the balance of probabilities.
In other words, the Family Law Act presumes that the man is the father of any child arising from the following:
? Marriage
? Cohabitation (or the child being born within 20 weeks of the party separating)
? Acknowledging paternity by an instrument such as a birth certificate

I haven't been able to find the WA equivalent to the Victorian Status of Children Act.

A person caring for a child born outside marriage can claim child support from the other parent in the same manner as for a child of a married relationship. Where the child is in the care of the mother and the father's name is not on the birth certificate, and he does not sign a statutory declaration to formally admit paternity, it will be necessary to first establish paternity in the Family Court.
DE FACTO RELATIONSHIPS

Failing to have the father?s name on the birth certificate will not prevent them from seeking Family Court Orders in relation to the child should you separate. Even if the individual is proven not to be the father through DNA testing if they have been a father figure to the children a court may decide that it is in the children?s best interests for them to continue having contact with them.

Media: Backgrounder: Paternity - Child Support Agency (CSA)
CSA - The Guide - 2.1.3: Parentage
Legal Aid - Western Australia
http://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/page/L...%20Testing.pdf

I know some of the sources above are not WA specific, but as they pertained to the Family Law Act, not a State Act, I included them.

Resources that may be useful:

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Grandparents Support Group(08) 9332 5469
Men's Confraternity Inc(08) 9470 1734
Men's Equity Network(08) 9246 1102
Perth Lone Fathers Association(08) 9470 1153
Dad's Landing Pad(08) 9403 3217 ORIA
Family Law Reform Party(03) 9387 7044
Grans Victoria(03) 9796 5442
Fathers for Family Equity(03) 9878 6588
Lone Fathers Association (Shepparton)(03) 5824 1425
Parents Without Rights(03) 9568 3349

I haven't been able to find out 100% how he can prove he's the father if he isn't named on the birth certificate. It looks like he'd have to go to Court to prove it. Don't know the process, but seems a very painful way to go about it.

GL