Can toddlers suffer from insomnia?

[ss_storm]

I'm at my wits end..DD has never been the best sleeper. She did improve somewhat, and we had quite a few 'sleep throughs' after my mum bought some Rescue Sleep to try. She is still having it at night but the effect seems to be wearing off.. Last night was the second in a row that she has woken up at a ridiculous hour and been awake for ages (at least 2 hours). Last night it was 5am, so hardly enough time by the time she has finished mucking around for me to get back to sleep. The night before it was 4am.
I am sooooo sick of it! When she wakes up she either comes in bed with me or I sleep in her bed, but when she does this she just lies there wide awake, sometimes wriggling or talking, or more maddening picking at her fingernails!
She is a very bright little girl, so I wonder if, like adults, her mind is just ticking over and won't shut down? There is nothing I can do to get her to sleep except wait it out, and get frustrated at my lack of sleep. Any experience with this? She is 2 1/2.

[ss_storm]

And today I have to do a 2 hour round trip to Wagga and back, after being awake since 5am. Yay me.

[Calluna]

Isaac went through a phase, about a month ago, for a couple of weeks where he would wake at 2 or 3 or 4 o'clock and not go back to sleep for a couple of hours. It was around the same time as a developmental leap.
(he still doesn't sleep through either you are not alone)

[Arcadia]

Does she nap in the day? Does itvmake a difference if she does/doesn't?

I have also found they do this at a developmental leap. My one year inks is currently having 4am parties.

I hope it passes quickly.

[Miss E]

If DS wakes at night, this is generally the way it goes. It sucks and there's not much you can do about it I don't think. I do however think it happens more often when he doesn't have a nap.

[ss_storm]

She hasn't had day sleeps for nearly a year I guess. Unless we're in the car. She has slept a couple of times at daycare, but not a chance if she's at home. When she has had a sleep she still wakes, and goes to bed later, so it's a lose lose situation!
Glad I'm not the only one, if there's nothing I can do but wait it out again then at least it helps to know I'm not alone!

[EmmaJane]

good luck with your challenge! I'm not sure if my experience will be any help, but just in case... ds (2 in july) has always been a terrible sleeper. the only way I've been able to get him to have a solid sleep at night (not always, but at least now it happens at all, probably more than half the time, and wake ipods aren't as long) is to give up the idea of having a couple of hours to ourselves before bed and just let him stay up til whenever he is ready, or I'm ready for bed myself! he gets at most ten hours sleep overnight, usually only about nine, but naps two hours most days and is much happier now that I don't try to force more sleep on him! I asked a gp about it because he sleeps way less than every other kid I know his age, and she said there was a finding recently that they don't need as much sleep as we assumed. so I'm telling myself he won't need constant supervision forever and just trying to suck it up...

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[phynna]

So Elly is a spitting image of her dad, but she definitely inherited my insomnia, and it's been very clear since early on. Being tired, over tired ,or just afirst signs of tiredness make no difference, it can still take several hours to get her to sleep at night, and she won't nap during the day either normally. During the night it's still several wake ups and on the odd occaison she wants to sleep in her own bed, these wake ups take over an hour to resettle. She's nearly 2 1/2 too, but this is been right throughout her life so far

[littlelara]

Have you tried giving her the rr when she wakes up? I find that's when I need it, just to shut my mind down long enough to get back to sleep

[ss_storm]

No I haven't little Lara. I dont know if she'd take it in the middle of the night, but I'll give it a try! Thanks!

[Olive]

When we were having sleep issues with DD1 I used a combo do brauers sleep and magnesium spray, as wll as some lavender oil on a cloth in her room.
We also gave her a sleep night/day clock so she coud understand when she could get up, we gave tat o her t 18 months

[sloane]

We also gave her a sleep night/day clock so she coud understand when she could get up, we gave tat o her t 18 months

i wonder if that would work for your DD ss_storm? your DD is a pretty bright little girl so she might really grasp the concept well?

we're quite lucky with DS these days but when he does wake before 6 i bring him into our bed or jump into his bed & tell him it's too early & we are going to lie quietly. it means that i'm up from whenever it is (because i can never get back to sleep) but i've given up trying to get him back to sleep if it's 5 or after.

[Miss E]

We also gave her a sleep night/day clock so she coud understand when she could get up, we gave tat o her t 18 months

We've got one of these too, and it really does help with staying in bed till a reasonable time. For the longest time DS would wake to start the day somewhere between 4.30am and 5.30am. Now he knows he has to stay in bed until the sun comes up (I have it set for 6am, but he often sleeps a bit longer). But that said we do still occassionally have the insomnia problem, he knows he should be sleeping, wants to be sleeping, but just can't get to sleep.

[ss_storm]

Where did you get them from? Or pm me a link if you like.. Would be a great idea! She still won't get out of bed unless I help her (she does it by herself during the day, but has never attempted it at 'sleep time'! Lol
Instead she either wakes up crying, or lies there repeating "where's mum? Find mum. Ready to hop out!" so I'd still have to go into her I think.
But it would still make a cool birthday present

[sloane]

just tried to PM you but your inbox is apparently full!! the one i'm thinking of is called a gro clock - a few places sell them online but ebay might even have some second hand ones cheaply?

[Olive]

Will also pm you,
We have the kid sleep globetrotter clock

[Miss E]

We've got the Gro Clock.

[ss_storm]

Thanks guys. Just emptied my inbox..I had heaps in there as I used to be a platinum member, but have since been downgraded and never deleted any messages.. Oops!