Trying to Conceive After Miscarriage or Loss October '08

Mel1979...... absolute no need what so ever to appologise.....sometimes the best thing is a good old cry..... and the best ones are the "ugly cries"..... they are the ones where you make noises.... snort... and do all sorts of things.... they are the ones where you re better of with DH not being there.... they are called ugly cries for a reason.... you look very ugly when you do them..... body fluids and allsorts...... BUT... when your done... your bodyfeels like you have just released mountains of pressure.

So go ahead... have a damn good cry....

Hi Ladies
Sitting here and cant stop the tears. The poems and things you have written are so lovely and are exactly how i feel.
Indy- Welcome, So sorry for your loss,glad you found us the ladies on here really do understand and they have been a huge help to me.
mumof 3 boys- It must have been so hard to take that call big :hug:
Mel1979- Angel is right no need to appologise here we all understand.
Big :grouphug: for everyone today.
AF finally showed up today 11 days late.
I will be lighting my candle at 7pm along with my sister and mum who have both had losses themselves.
LOVE TO MY :angel::angel:

chappas...... i think we have all done a bit of that today.... I certainly can not take credit for those poems...for most of them the Authors are unknown..... Sorry AF raised her ugly head.... the absolute least she could do is be ontime if she has to be there at all

Well in my time zone thats it for the 15th..... but the beauty of this is that we get to extend it for those in different time zones...... so i ll keep with the colours... and the October 15th theme... for Jen Jen and those of you in the UK and the States. Enjoy the beginning of your day... While we are sleepin:asleep:

Thank You to everyone today... thank you to everyone in chat earlier tonight....took some serious concentration to keep up with the conversation... but it was great... I worked out today that today is a celebration.... its hard to celebrate your angels on the EDD... its even harder to celebrate on the day they were "delivered" or D& C.... so today... gets to be a celebration... a sad one but yet a cleansing one..... So to everyone out there.... huge hugs to you all.....:grouphug:

Good morning gurlies!

Welcome to all the new ladies may your journey to PAML be short...

jenushka...:hooray: for those #s doubling

dellydoo...aren't smiles great!

jen...unofficially...yes I am back TTC...oh heck make it official! Regardless what happens with Lee and I we both want another child and our lives are forever mingled anyway...sooo...

:noaf:

:bluedust::pink-babydust:
:stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl:

It's the 15th here in the UK and I'm cooking dinner so that I can light my candle at 7.

Today is a mixed feelings day. I am remembering the baby I lost at Christmas, and sending loving vibes to all of you at this very special and poignant time. At the same time I am awaiting the birth of this very stubborn baby (who has been induced twice in the last 5 days and refuses to make his/her appearance yet! Last friday, and again yesterday...contractions kick in but fade away after about 8 hours. Guess bubs is still cosy in there). It's a hormonally emotional time anyway, but with today being a special marker I have felt even more so.
I'm thinking of you all xxxx

Love, hugs :grouphug::loveshower: and :pink-babydust: to each and everyone xxxx

*wavin* Hey Nickster...maybe today will be birthday!

Angel- Thanks, today has been quite emotional.
Smilanatu- Glad to hear you are gonna ttc again wishing you :goodluck:
Nickster- Hi i'm from uk too and getting ready to light my candle. Wishing you all the best for when you get to meet your new arrival:bellyrubs:

My candle has been buring for 12 mins!

Thinking of you my :angel:

Hello to all

It was so good talking to you last night. Sorry that I missed you Jen. I just couldn't stay awake any longer. It was so hard getting out of bed at 5.30am this morning. Friday night should be easier, can sleep in on Saturday. :lol:

Good Morning Sweet Ladies

Smi - welcome back to TTC (officially!)
Nickster - you must be the most gracious of hosts as bubs is clearly setting up camp.
Chappas - I am sorry AF arrived so late it plays with your emotions.
Jenushka - Keep those levels on the up and up sugar. I am so happy for you.
Mel - Honey, one thing we can all get away with in here is feeling sorry for ourselves, some days we need it and everyone here will support you through it.
Angel Babies - I felt like that storm last night matched my mood beautifully. I could howl at the moon all I liked.
Mummy of 3b - sweetheart I am so so sorry to hear about precious Riley. May he be watching over his Mummy and Daddy during their time of grief.

AFM - Today is "do something with the rest of my life" day. I feel like it is time to go back to work and get out of the house. There is only so much Dr Phil, Judge Judy and Spider Solitaire a girl can handle. Am still waiting to hear back from FS, I had a meltdown yesterday as I have not had a call back since Monday and I just felt like clearly there are more important people in the world ie people who are pregnant or people who have healthy babies. Then I told myself to buck up little camper - as I said, I have to get out of the house!

Love and warm hugs to you all
Adele xxx

Hello to the newbies and the ladies I haven't met yet

Thank you to all the beautiful girls for chat last night. On a night when I thought nothing could make me smile you did, you stopped me from going to bed and pulling the covers over my head. Can't wait to chat with you all again.

Angel- Thank you again for posting the poems. I know you didn't write them all but you did share them with us and for that you deserve thanks.

Delly Doo- You go girl, big :thumbsup: for stepping forward and jumping back on the TTC rollercoaster.

Nickster- You must be providing your bub a very nice home if 2 lots of being induced haven't worked. Be proud to be such a comfortable oven.

Chappas- I can relate to AF being late, I am 2 weeks late today but i think I can feel:pms: coming on. It sucks when it's late but you still get BFN and you just wish it would hurry up so you can start a new cycle.

To everyone I have missed out lotsa:hug:'s

We all should be proud we made it throught Oct 15th still standing.

Thank you all


RIP Riley Jason 15/10/08 :angel:
(a little angel born on little angel's day while our candles were burning bright. I hope sometime in the future his mummy will join us on here)

smilanatu...... not that you really left.... very few do..... even if we leave we dont go far or we come back;) but welcome back anyway.... and even if nothing else happens... at least there are *cough* benifits in trying.... iykwim :dance:

nicksterUK...... hun.. i worked it out... we have sent little bubs mixed messages and now confusement has set in... from the beginning we have said... snuggle in there little one... dont go anywhere..... you dont have a stubborn bubs..you have one that does what its mummy tells it to do...mabye sit down....have a bit of a chat... let bubs know that its alright now and that they are allowed to come out now.....:baby:

chappas.... try to think of the celebration of the day hun.... probably sounds wrong.... but the celebration of your little angel..... celebrate their being, regardless of how short. I took the time to just connect with them again.... yes there were tears... plenty of them.... not to mention a terrible singing voice.... but it was a celebration of thier being. :hug:

fificlaire... was good to catch up last night.... hope the film was good

mollycat.....that was madness in the chatroom..... the effort to work out what conversations were where....answer this person.. answer that person... ohhh nooooo someone else said something way up above and i didnt answer...ohhh no how rude... goodness me....:o Friday nights is at 10.30.... now i dont know if thats NSW or QLD time.... so for me in QLD I just go in at 9.30

dellydoo...i totally understand about the day time TV at the moment.... I m used to working 80+ hours a week.... Dr Phil drives me insane... i just want to slap some of the people on there... Judge Judy is like a comedy... but over on channel 7..... Master chef... at least its a tad interesting... As for the storm last night... appropriate is all i can say.

mummy_of_3_boys..... was good catching up last night as well.... what a shock seeing everyone in there ... it was like christmas......I got a tad emotional.... was the perfect way to finish the day... going in there and so many ladies being in there. I m glad you liked the poems....they helped a lot when i first lost my angels... they still do.... I thought it was appropriate for the day and I thank Trillian for returning them.

To every one in the UK and in the States..... I m still going blue and pink... just for you...... have a great day.

Krystie..... thanks for braving the MS to pop your head up yesterday.... it meant a lot... hope you gave little chyan just that extra little rub from Aunty Angel Yesterday.... ohhhh bugger it... could you give her one everyday from Aunty Angel.....

BB.... Huge hugs for you... just cause.......and dito with the belly rubs from Aunty Angel

Jen Jen.... It your day girl... Dont think i need to say more... you know what I mean

Trillian--Thanks from the bottom of my heart for putting Angel's songs and poems back in the thread where they belong! :hug: Her poems were what drew me to this thread to begin with... so of all the days to make exceptions to the rule, I'm grateful that today, (yesterday for you!)on the day we're remembering and honoring our :angel: babies.... words can't express.... thank you! It's where they belong!



Angel--You know I love ya! *kiss* Thanks for the time and effort you put forth in commemorating not only your angels, but all of ours! I'm forever grateful to have been blessed to have you in my life! Thanks and a :hug: just seems so insignificant....



mollycat-- :doh: Can't believe I missed you in chat! So very happy that you got it all going.... now I'll be expecting you to show up on Friday night!



smi--Welcome back OFFICIALLY! :confetti:



nickster--OMG, induced twice in 5 days!?! That must be one comfy womb you've got going on there! Wishing you all the best... I'm sure it won't be long now! Here's some bellyrubs... in the hopes that it gets bub going! Willing be looking out for your birth announcement!



chappas--Happy October 15th.... I'm so grateful they've given us a day to remember our angels! Big hugs for you, hon!



fifi--I cheated, I lit mine at 4:00! I'm saying a :pray: for all our little :angel: babies! Hugs for you on this day of remembrance!



dellydoo--Good for you! You're right, you need to get out of the house--it will do you loads of good! Hope the FS gets back to you quickly. Chin up, hon... hang in there... lots of hugs coming at you!



mummyO3B--Thanks for the friend request, and the sweet comment you left me! :hug: Wish I could've been in chat with you all! Sounds like I missed out on a lot of fun and confusion!



Toccara--Always thinking of you! You've been awfully quiet lately, I hope all's well with you! *hugs*



I'm sorry, I have to get dinner started.... will have to finish persies later....

Jen Jen... if your going to try and hug me from all the way over there.... i wouldnt call that insignificant :hug: Hope youve had a good day..... I lit my candles early as well... figured just incase some of those earlier time zones...... mainly NZ didnt... then them burning brightly....bit of extra glow for our little ones.

Now I know you are not used to me being here during the day but guess what... i m even in chat if you finish dinner.... just send our a few noises if i dont answer straight away. *hello*

Will do, Angel! Probably won't be for about an hour or so... but I"ll give it a shot! LOVE that you're on during the day! :hug:

Hello lovely ladies. I spent the evening at my folks house last night and only just got home before and caught up on the beautiful beautiful messages in this thread. What an amazing day it was yesterday. I sent out an email yesterday morning and got some lovely replies about people who would or did light a candle. I was so appreciative because they wouldn't have done it otherwise but just because they think so much of me - it was beautiful. I wasn't going to make a big deal about lighting a candle while at mum and dad's but come 7pm mum said to me that she had a candle to light up and so it was lit and quietly stood alone. I would look at it from time to time and it provided me the quiet reflection I needed without the fanfare that I didn't want. It was wonderful. I actually just want to thank everyone here for the wonderful support of this thread to those who need it. I also want to especially thank those extra special women of this thread who were amazing to me during my own time of TTC. It is because of this unending appreciation that I find it hard to leave the thread and want to keep providing constant support to you ladies in return. Bless you all and thank you.

Jen Thinking of you today. Hope your day went well. Thanks for the chat the other night had heaps of :lol: made me feel good inside. :pray: that you get a BFP this month

Angel Haven't had time to write a post since our chat. Like I said to Jen I enjoyed it haven't laughed like that in a while so thankyou. Hope your throat is feeling better.

Smi Welcome back. I hope your stay is short and you get a BFP soon.

Delly :clap: Thats great that your are feeling better and that you felt like getting out of the house.

Flowerchild Thanks for your personal experience on clomid. I :pray: that it works.

Mollycat It was great talking to you last night in chat. You will have a great laugh if you get Jen and Angel in at the same time.

DH is calling so have to go try and catch up with everyone else later.

Tam - great talking to you too. Got Jen and Angel this afternoon together until Jen "nanna'd" out.

Jen - good night - seeing as though you ran away while my back was turned. Hope you had a great sleep.


I'm heading off to bed myself now, see everyone in chat on friday night.

Hi All,

What an amazing bunch of ladies we have here - reading through all your posts has been very touching. :grouphug::loveshower:

I spent last night with DH just remembering "Baby Lentil".

I am glad to hear you all got into the chat room and supported each other as only BB ladies can.

AFM - why hasn't my temp dropped after AF arrival??? I usually drop straight back down to under 36 when AF arrives but very technically I am still above the coverline. I also still have faint BB soreness. This usually stops immediately when AF arrives as well. It is certainly a normal AF for me. Anyone experience this before?? :dunno::dunno:

Hello ladies,

missbec recently mentioned a list of miscarriage exams in one of her posts, I did most of these and they were all fine, except MTHFR. It came back as indicating a genetical mutation ("compound heterozygotous MTHFR mutation"). Apparently this means that I have inherited this condition from one of my parents. It wouldn't be a problem per se if it was only one mutation, but there are 2 of them ("compound") which makes it a risk. I am taking 4mg of folic acid daily (ten times the normal dosis) and will be on heparin once I'm pregnant again. Does anybody have a similar condition and experience to share?

:grouphug:

thank you!

Indy--I'm a little late in your :welcome: to our little thread! Sorry for the loss you've suffered, I pray that you find comfort and security among the awesome girls we've got here! Big *hugs*


jenushka--Will be thinking of you and your first little angel today! Good luck with your Halloween u/s--can't wait to hear all about your little punkin! ;)



Mel--It can be such a comfort just knowing you're not alone.... we all understand the anguish and angst that come attached with a m/c. Please feel free to vent anytime you need to! We're all here for you! Big *hugs* coming your way!



chappas--Buggers, d@mn AF! Here's some anti :pms: vibes for you! Will be here to continue cheering you on with the next cycle!



plc--You have a talent for wording things so beautifully! :hug: Always appreciate your posts... they always make me smile! Tomorrow.... chat.... be there, or be square! :rofl:



Tam--Unfortunately mollycat wasn't blessed in the usual Angel/Jen experience.... had too many distractions going on! But in my own defense, my usual chat time is early in the am... and we chatted in the evening, which is a hectic time for me... so, sorry, mollycat if we were a touch boring last night! Will aim to do better next time! The best chats are the ones that leave your tummy hurting from laughing too much, and you've got tears of laughter in your eyes! So both of you--be there--Friday night!



Easha--Hmmm.... maybe you should get a BT done if today's temp is still above coverline.... could you possibly be UTD during AF? It's possible.... Hope you get some answers! *hugs*



Milla--Sorry to hear about you BT results. I wish I could offer you some advise... hopefully one of the other's will be able to answer your question on the MTHFR. Am I the only one that thinks this looks like an abbreviation for a not-so-nice cuss word? :lol: Hope you find the answers you're looking for, Milla! *Hugs* for you!



Angel--Missed you this am! Looking forward to Friday! *kiss*



Krystie--Hope you can join us on Friday! It's been too long! So happy to see you poking your head in, though! It's great to see your beautiful avi again! *kiss* Bellyrubs to little Chyan from her favorite Auntie Hen Jen! :rofl:



WTH--Thinking of you! *hugs*



Hi's to Toccara, issy, Van, Megsmum, & smi Big :grouphug: for you all!



Me--Just have to add that I had an interesting temp jump today.... hmmmm.... but not looking into anything just yet! Too busy to POAS anyways, but will keep you posted on how things progress! Fingers crossed!

Am in chat if anyone about....:lol:

Good Morning Gurlies!

dellydoo...:hug: I think you've made a good decision to go back to work and get out of the house...

Angel Babies...It is simply too hard to leave this special place and all the wonderful support! The benefits are umm...NICE to say the least...let's just say I am pretty stress free at the moment LOL

Thanks ladies for giving me such a warm welcome back to TTC...I appreciate all of you and the support you've given has been 1st class!

:bluedust::pink-babydust:
:stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl:
:noaf:

Jen, you are very right about the name MTHFR ...I does sound like the 1990 Prince hit:-)

Here are some information I found on the Internet. Maybe it can be useful to some ladies here in the forum. My former ob/gyn didn't want to run the tests; he said they are normally done "after a 3rd m/c". I had to convince him to do the after all, and now I know that there is something I can treat next time. I'm now with a new ob/gyn who is much more proactive and I think that's a good thing. I don't see the point of going through a 3rd m/c with all its pain and heartbreak if I can potentially avoid it by taking a simple blood test.

What's interesting here is that the MTHFR mutation is also linked to anxiety and depression. I have had a major clinical depression 8 years ago for now apparent reason (I was on anti-depressants for 2 years), so I am wondering if there is any link.

I hope the following information will be useful to some of you ladies out there: (as I said, my treatment is high dose folic acid and daily heparin once pregnant)

What is MTHFR?
Methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) is the name of a gene that produces an enzyme, also called methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase. If a person carries the genetic mutation that inhibits production of this enzyme, it can result in hyperhomocytenemia, which is an elevated level of an enzyme called homocysteine found in blood plasma.

When the body is deficient in methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase, its ability to absorb folate (also known as vitamin B9), such as folic acid, is inhibited. Folic acid and B9 are both essential to the development and health of the fetus.

MTHFR and Pregnancy
Because of a mother with MTHFR?s inability to efficiently metabolize folic acid and vitamin B9, the disorder has been linked to a variety of pregnancy complications such as chromosomal abnormalities, such as Down syndrome, and congenital malformations.

Elevated levels of homocysteine have been associated with placental disease, preeclampsia and recurrent pregnancy loss. 21% of women with high levels of homocysteine experience recurrent pregnancy loss.

Symptoms
Because MTHFR is a blood-based disease with many varieties, symptoms vary depending on the exact mutation of the disease. They can include:

blood clots
depression
anxiety

Detection
Blood testing is the most accurate way to screen for MTHFR. This is especially true if women have a history of complicated pregnancies, including recurrent pregnancy loss and/or stillbirths, or if they have given birth to a child with neural tube defects, such as spina bifida.

Treatment
Taking folic acid can help women with certain mutations of the disease. Folic acid can be found in eggs, dark leafy vegetables, such as spinach and broccoli, oranges and orange juice and legumes, such as peas and dried beans. Vitamin supplements also contain folic acid.

A big :grouphug: and lots of :bluedust::pink-babydust:

Jen Jen.... i sooooo sowwwwwwyyyyyyyy....... i went out to the movies...well and diner... couldnt help it.... i ve been stuck at home over 2 weeks coming up to3...... I said to DHl... what can we do for dinner.... DS1 came in and i asked him... and he said how bout going out to dinner and then to a movie.... so I thought... what a damn fine idea... bit of quality family time.... PS.. movie was bloody funny... was a silly Australian one with a cameo appearances from a couple of my favourite football players.

Anyway i jumped straight into chat when i got back but i know you would have already been gone for school..... sorry

Milla.... what a word "Methylenetetrahydrofolate" i dont think I ve ever seen a word that long... it looks misspelt... didnt touch it honest.... but thanks for the info.

Smi.... its good to have those BENEFITS occasionally..... I know i used to ENJOY them... to say the least.... I ended up marrying him... but it wasnt the plan at the time ;) ohhh still enjoy them... dont you worry....:dance:

FIFI... good to catch up this morning.... hope the next 6 days fly past.... :crossfingers: i m sure everything will be fine

Ohhh and I am soooo dobbing on Jen Jen...... now to everyone who has been in Friday night chats.... when you go to leave... Jen Jen will put it on you about piking so early.... mind you its like 12 or 1am........ so here I am off work.... so i figure... lets make this easier and i ll catch up with her nice and early her time..... what does nana do... she chats for a while and pikes... its like 9.30 her time or something like that.... but she has to head off to bed...... LMAO.... what jen jen... did you have the little grandma nighty with matching grandma undies on and a little night time bonet. :ROFL: i can picture you... did you need the walking frame to make it from the computer to the bed :ROFL::ROFL: ahhh i m loooooooosing it here... i d better stop before i choke.

Esha..... no idea about temps hun.... ask grandma up above... she would know :ROFL:

Molly... good to catch up today... although breif..... looking forward to tomorrow night instead

Tam.... was great getting to know you better the other night..... my throat was soooo sore girl..... DH and Both DS s were laughing at how stupid i sounded

BB good to see you had a nice day yesterday..... my parent s went out also and brought candels.... and lit at 7pm..... then rang me at 8 to proudly announce that they did...... doesnt life get funny sometimes. I really do appreciate that they did it though.

Well thats about me caught up..... Krystie... hopefully you and little chyan can keep it together tomorrow night long enough to pop your head in... looking forward to seeing everyone there..

Take care... huge hugs to everyone including anyone i ve missed.:grouphug:

Hi, sorry I missed everything. Had a bad few days. Seen my dr today he told me to wait 2 cycles. I'm only waiting 1. Lots of love and prayers to everyone here.

Well what can i say. I'm addicted to BB. I am sitting here typing with one hand whilst i dry my hair with the other. Angel you could imagine how long this is taking me to type :lol:

Mila Sorry to hear about your BT results but looking at it from a glass half full at least the found something and it's something that they can treat. I'm glad that you pushed your obgyn into doing the tests and your one step closer actually probably a whole football field to having a healthy stciky pg.

Jonisteve Sorry that the last few days have been rough on you hang in there, there is light at the end of the tunnel. They say that there is no real reason why you cant ttc straight away. From what I have read they say that for emotional reasons so it gives you time to grieve and recover. So I think whenever you feel up to you could start. So if it's next cycle as you said in you post I would say go for it :comfort:

Angel Glad to hear that you went out and had a great time with your family :clap: As much as I missed you in chat last night I guess I have to share you :lol: Hopefully I will get time tonight to get on, DH is home from work so might be a bit hard.

Jen What a shame I missed you in Chat even if you were lame :ROFL: I will try my best to come in tonight but DH is home so might be a bit hard. He gets a bit jealous of BB. Oh an I have added in my temp chart below so giving you the right to chart stalk if you wish :lol:

Easha I have only just started BBt this cycle so I cant help you with the temp thing. They only thing I can suggest is going for a BT. I hope that you figure out what is happening :hug:

Indly:welcome: sorry that you have had to come to this forum. I hope you are doing as well as what can be expected. I hope that your stay here is short.

WTH Just thought I would let you know that I am thinking of you and praying that you caught that egg and get a sticky BFP. Sorry that they had to cancel your first cycle. Hope that if there is a next one that it works.

Dellydoo Hope that you are still feeling strong and that if your back at work just take one step at at time.

AFM AF has almost left the building almost. I would say one more day and the gooonnee and hopefully not return for another 9 - 10months. Still no side effect from the clomid yet so praing that it is working. Well this post has taken me almost 40 minutes to write. So I have to finish getting ready and then going shopping for DH b'day present which is next month.

Tam... i m not going to hassle you with how long it took for the post... typing while hair drying... thats pure dedication girl:clap:

jonisteve... Some days hun the fog is so dense you can hardly see through it... we all know those days.l... it does lift however hun... and remember.... One Day At A Time:hug:

Jen Jen.... Love you heaps hun/nana :loveshower:

Jen - stunning chart, beautiful temp rise .... understand if you are not wanting to jump the gun - you are the master at holding out on poas!I have my :crossfingers: for you, but have a good feeling about this one. And also - :hug: - thank you for thinking of me today...

Tam - we don't call it addicition here, we call it dedication as Jen will tell you!! So good to hear you haven't had any side effects from the clomid

WTH - I'm also sorry that your first cycle was cancelled, and I also understand how nervous you feel that you tried naturally this month ... one things for sure, it is never easy is it?! Thinking of you :hug:

Milla - thanks for the info on MTHFR. Like the other ladies have said, it is daunting receiving a diagnosis but the good news is you have a strong plan of action next time around. :goodluck:

Smilinatu - hi and welcome back officially from me too!

Hello and hugs for angelbabies, dellydoo, easha, mummy of 3, toccara, ruthie (any more news?), mollycat, mannie, jonisteve, krystie, joey, plc ajc and anyone else I may have missed!

AFM - it is my first angel's due date today so most of my thoughts have been with her, and am feeling quite emotional. Although I am fortunate to be pg with a little bean, each of you ladies know that I still wish with every piece of my heart that I could have been able to hold her in my arms ... I have bought a candle and some white rose petals, and tonight when dh gets home and ds is in bed we will take some time to think about her. I'm also going to read the 'Do you remember" poem from Angelbabies' post - thank you Angelbabies for giving me the words to my thoughts...

:grouphug:

Jenushka - As inappropriate as it may sound at first... Happy due date :hug: Hopefully you can use today to remember each happy and precious moment you had with your angel, rather than the sadness of not having her in your arms today. While she wasn't destined to be born into your arms, she was born in your heart long ago.

My thoughts are with you and your DH. The candle and petals sounds lovely :hug:

jenushka.... there really is no other way to put it other than to say EDD s suck. Mine was a few months ago now but the pain reminds you of the pain you felt when you lost them. I am soooo glad that "little bean" is there to help you today. I m glad the poem has helped or at least verbalized it for you...... Dont try to push yourself today.... just allow yourself to be...... Thinking of you hun.... HUGE hugs :hug:

Ohhhh sooo good to see you pop your head up Krystie........ hopefully you can make it tonight as well :crossfingers:

Hi there

I have only read the last page but already see I need to send a big hug to Jen :hug:, Jenushka :hug: and Tam :hug:for thinking of me. Oh, and a heap for Angel :grouphug: and MegsMum:grouphug: for your helping me out behind the scenes earlier this week.

Just to let you know that my FS appointment this morning went well. And.... because I was UNDERstimulated, I am commencing a different and shorter kind of IVF cycle (Yep KrystieLove - I call it an "Orangutan" cycle, too :rofl: ) as soon as AF arrives. So, I do not need to wait months to try again. Yipee!

Milla - I did every test under the sun after my three losses. I too have been found to have the double Gene for MTHFR. It was explained to me that this doubles our risk of MC over the normal population (not double your age-related risk). I have been taking Megafol (5mg) since my first loss. My homocysteine levels are normal, so I do not need to take Heparin/Aspirin which are blood thinners. I have checked about this with two FS'es just to be sure because if I get another bubba on board I do not want to risk it by not taking Heparin. Just to let you know this double gene is hugely common. I think I read 10% of the population, but I would need to double-check that.

Spreading heaps of :pink-babydust: and :stickyvibesboy: over the weekend

WTH xx

Where There s Hope...... Thrilled you dont have to wait hun..... and glad your appointment went well...... remember... even though IVF takes control... you have the final control.... dont be affraid to use your voice if you need to :hug:

WTH - I'm glad to hear that you won't have to wait!! Waiting is sooooo depressing! Good luck for the next try and thank you very much for the info on MTHFR! It seems to be quite common indeed, and I am actually relieved that they found something, especially since they found that my last miscarried baby was normal from chromosomal point of view. At least I have identified a potential enemy now;)


Jonisteve- I am so sorry to see your mood as "depressed" - just hang in there hun, and know that better times will be ahead (although it is very hard to believe when you're in the midst of this huge fog). This is why this board is so important; we have all been through the same, and still are, so you know that everyone understands your feelings here and can give you comfort in these difficult times. When I had my D&C my doctor told me to stop TTC for 1 month (actually the month of the D&C), but I have to admit that I didn't follow his orders:redface:

The thought of letting slip another opportunity just depressed me too much, so we gave it a shot (the result was a BFN). I had read somewhere that this 1-month rule was actually a doctor's invention because when you fall pregnant after a D&C they have a hard time dating the pregnancy and they don't like that. I thought either my body is ready for another pregnancy or it is not, so I gave it a try.

I'm actually in a similar situation now;) - had a diagnostic hysteroscopy yesterday and some bleeding and cramps after the procedure.Today seems to be ok. The doctor basically told me that it would not be advisable to TTC this month, but he also said that it wouldn't be the end of the world if it happened. How I hate these situations!! But I'm almost certain what I will be doing this weekend:redface:

Milla... i agree... waiting is so hard.... i think its the same for everyone but when you "clock" is ticking just that little bit louder... its deafening. I put my body through hell and back. One main reason... the words of the FS saying..... if we get these eggs now they will stay 38. Put a hoop in front of me... i m going to jump through it cause the eggs wont get any older than 38....... not saying its easier if your younger... i m just saying.... can someone get me some earmuffs... the clock is driving me insane:o

Angel - I am totally with you as far as the earmuffs go! Can a have a pair please;)

Here's an alternative to the earmuffs: Every time I am depressed about my "old" eggs, I take Randine Lewis' book on TCM and read the chapter "Advanced Maternal Age" (that's over 35). Here's what she says "Certainly the DNA contained within our eggs becomes less stable as we get older, and a woman's eggs are usually healthier when she's 32 than when she's 40. But contrary to what Western medicine would lead us to believe, a woman's eggs do not have an "expiration date". They respond to their surroundings just as the rest of our bodily systems do. This news is a double-edged sword- our ovaries and eggs respond negatively to poor diet, drugs, toxins, stress hormones but they also respond positively to a healthy diet and a pure lifestyle. The ocean of our fertility doesn't dry up, it just becomes still. And with help, it can flow once more".

That way the clock ticks a little less loud;)

Milla... I know what your saying ... and I m soooo with your girl... Got all the herbs and the accupunture pin holes to prove it.... BUT.. its that damn catch.... 'our ovaries and eggs respond negatively to poor diet, drugs, toxins, stress hormones but they also respond positively to a healthy diet and a pure lifestyle" ..... and that s the part that makes that clock tick loudly for me again :o

"pure lifestyle"....hmmmmmmm

I know, I know....I had to give up my daily glasse(s) of wine, that was the hardest part;)