Trying to Conceive after Stillbirth/Recurrent Miscarriage/Late Loss

[MrsRobbo]

Interesting Helen, I didn't know about the implantation dip. I have had a few cramps (well really just slight pains and me being a bit of a woos!) so maybe it is an implantation dip. I knew I would have to wait until tomorrow but just thought there might be secret info out there that all my 24hr googling has not uncovered!!

I was so certain of a BFP a few days ago. I have the slight nausea (very slight) and all the pms symptoms. Which normally wouldn't indicate anything except that since I've been on the prog cream I have had virtually no pms. BB's are a little sore and I am incredibly bloated and gassy (TMI sorry!)

Another freaky thing is that when I was PG with Charlie for the first month or so I would wake up at exactly 4:16am every morning and go to the loo. Last week I was waking up every morning at exactly 4:16am to go to the loo! Freaky huh!!

Anyway, so I guess the temp drop is just to put me back in my place because I was being so ****y about getting a BFP.

Rozzie: WOW that does sound complicated. I was stressing enough about my decision with no real medical reason to go with either just a desperate need to bring home a live baby. I just keep freaking out about having a healthy scan at 38 weeks or something and then something going wrong and knowing i could have delivered and all would have been ok. Next time I start freaking out about it i will remind myself of the decision you have to make. Way harder than mine!! Happy pondering!

[Berry1]

Paula, I so hope your temp goes back up and you get a BFP this weekend, you so deserve it hun

Rozzie, you do have a difficult decision to make. I hope that as you get closer the facts are really clear and that making the final decision is an easier one that you feel at peace about

[helle]

Hi Girlies.. AF has done it again!!
AF started last monday (the 12th) and finsihed the following saturday morning (whatever date that was) I had no bleeding saturday through to this monday (19th), until last night when I had a sort of small "gush" which lasted about ten minutes (which I said before.... It completely stopped for the rest of the night and the rest of today, and then tonight it has happened again!! It happens right after I have finished running around like a headless chook making tea and everything. So, I don't know if maybe that's swishing it around or something *sorry for TMI* and leftover is coming out from AF or what...
but, it's a little odd...

[Tildy]

Paula -- check out my chart from the month I got pregnant: 219aae Ovulation Charts . I have super regular cycles of 26 days where I always have EW CM around day 13, so I believe that for me the temp method just wasn't so very accurate for some reason. The reason could be a combination of my broken thyroid and the fact that I spent most of the first half of that month crying and having insomnia and basically being a wreck and a half. As you can see, before O the temps say diddly squat and after O I dipped below FF's coverlilne (clearly implantation though, as I was also spotting just then). It's like a voodoo science I had to laugh, btw, about you getting up at exactly 4:16 every day to use the toilet. Mine is 3:53 AM, has been the whole pregnancy! You might be on to something there!

Rozzie -- it is indeed a very tough decision. Normally you can say to yourself "what's best for my baby?" but in this case you have to weigh safety for this baby against safety for your future babies -- and that's a perfectly valid (and tough) dilemma. I'm sure the high risk OB will be able to shed more light on it for you. Oh, and I remembered one from our class: the midwife was explaining how the cervix "dissolves" and then starts to open, and that they wait for it to be open 10 cm. One girl in the class said "Oh, is THAT what they're talking about about being open! I thought it was the vagina opening up!" She and her partner seemed to be about 17 years old or something, so I can forgive her for being a bit out of place when the rest of us were in our 30s. Surprising that she piped up, though.

Teagz -- there's often a decrease or stopping of bleeding when you lie down and an increase when you get up, and maybe it's just a form of that you're experiencing. The blood pools up while you're resting and then all that pooled up stuff gushes out when you get active. They say that this is why some people mistakenly believe that bedrest prevents a threatened miscarriage, because women experience that they bleed less if they lie down. There's also different opinions about whether your first AF after a miscarriage is heavier/longer or lighter than a normal AF, people don't seem to be able to agree on that. But the best thing as always is to ask your doctor if you're concerned, and ABSOLUTELY if you have any unusual pain or discharge and such.

Diana -- I'm sorry to hear you haven't ovulated. It sounds like IVF is going to be a good option for you, and will help you feel more in control.

Jo -- I think it's great that you guys were open and honest at your ante-natal class. I mentioned our loss to ours as well, when we were talking about how we're supposed to know what we want for the birth when we're all first-timers. There was a silence that for a while, but I explained that I brought it up because it helped me realize that the most important thing I need from the staff at the birth, and from my DH to help me enforce, is INFO INFO INFO. Don't touch me without telling me what you're about to do and why, and don't put any electrodes on me or test me for anything without saying whether things are going well or not so well, etc. They all thought it was a good point and we moved on from there, and it felt good for me to have said it.

And last but definitely not least -- Laney! I'm so happy that it was good news (even though, like Rozzie said, I felt in my heart that it would be)! I'm glad to hear you were able to have a few smiles, as I know you need them. A relatively short wait of 2 weeks until the next scan, so onwards and upwards toward that next wave of good news!

[helle]

Thanks tildy, I'll definately call my Dr tomorrow but until then I thought i would ask because you're such a knowledgable bunch and I'm almost the most impatient woman in the world

[MrsRobbo]

check out my chart girls!!

[AngelLukesmum]

Paula - I have a confession to make. I checked out your chart yesterday before you asked Helen's opinion and thought "uh oh". It wasn't looking good with those temps dropping! But now...yay, it is looking great!
Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings. I will try and dig out my BFP chart to compare (if I can remember my login and password).

[dd0207]

Helen, it was indeed a miracle that you caught that little egg on day 60! I can only imagine how exhausted you and DH were by that stage! I can totally accept cycles being mental for a few months after a loss or coming off the pill but it has been 6 months for me now, and I was ovulating every month after losing Sebastian up until this month. I really don't know what has happened or changed. I am just so upset and tears are very very close to the surface today.

I am leaving on Sunday but I because I am starting the Provera tablets today to bring on a period, I am pretty certain I will not be allowed to TTC naturally so there goes my miracle conception before starting IVF.

Thanks to all of you for your comfort, support and encouragement. I love you all so much and would be lost without you.

Rozzie, the shopping sounds like so much fun. I am sorry you have such a hard decision to make regarding the birth and I hope your OB takes very good care of you and little one.

Teagz, as you can see from my experience, cycles can do very strange things. I would suggest you go to the doctor for a check up to be sure.

Jo, good on DH for saying what he did in your class. I am glad it all went well in the end.

Paula, I have no idea how to interpret those things but I assume your last post shows your temp is rising again and a BFP is on the way? Oh fingers crossed.

Fingers crossed for you too Megan.

Thanks again for your support girls and a big hello to everyone.

[hgirs]

Ahhh, see what paitence can do Paula! Looking good, testing day not far off now!
Diana, hopefully your first IVF cycle will bring you that little miracle, big hugs.

[sryan]

Hi Paula,

Chart is looking fantastic.... fingers crossed fingers crossed.

Hey I found my chart as well

Here it is..

1b9f71 Ovulation Charts

xxx Sue xxx

[jo76]

hello!
Again time seems to have passed far too quickly and it has been days since i have been on here! School holidays just fill up my time eventhough i am hardly working! 1 week to go and i will be back into normal routine! Although i have loved the extra time with him -that just never happens! i am feeling a little tired today tho, my fault as i just had to set my alarm to wake up at 3am to watch Obama being sworn in. (why can't he be here running our country!) I am supposed to be going out for dinner tonight so will prob fall asleep in my meal!
So as usual there is so much i have had to catch up on!
Laney -=was going to send you an email and saw you ahd had your other ultrasound -things are looking good but i still understand your apprehension. One midwife said when i was delivering madison, that if i went back to try again nothing would make me feel safe until the baby was born alive and well. but things are looking very positive -so allow yourself those brief smiles you have had!
paula - keeping my fingers so tightly crossed for you! I really hope you have your moment in not too long! will have no choice but to start stalking forum very soon waiting for your news. As usual, we know i am useless when it comes to charts so i won't even try to comment on everyones. Safe to say i would be going mad if i had to do that, so you are all extremely patient!
dd0207 - i am reaching through the screen giving you a hug right now! please take care -we can all at least understand the "frustration" part. xx
jo - i am jumping on the bandwagon of praising you and dh about being so honest in your class when i can say i would be a wreck in the same situation. Its very brave of you both to acknowledge and put it out there and still feel safe to do.
teagz - i was a bit like you, just when i thought the bleeding was over - it'd start right back up again! and when i least expected -i could share many embarassing stories! Sometimes it was next to nothing -enough to notice and have to do something about, other times it would come out in a rush and i'd panic and wonder what the hell my body was doing to me. if your concerned, ask someone about it...
syran - 24 weeks...not bad for a little miracle!!!!!
rozzie - so much more for you to think about! good luck - i am not sure what i'd do in your situation either! At least it sounds as though you are trying to get as much info as you can...but a big yay for the shopping! your ticker is so close too!

anyway -better go -hi to those i have missed this time around! i have my psychic appointment soon and should prob be getting ready! Have decided to take a photo of madison so will let you all know what is said!
xxjo

[helle]

MrsRobbo - I'm assuming that's a good chart! I'm still trying to get my head around all this ovulation stuff, sorry girls! Hopefully you'll get to see a BFP toward the end of this month then! &
Tildy - That is a bit spooky about the timed loo trips! oh and

"Oh, is THAT what they're talking about about being open! I thought it was the vagina opening up!"

Poor love!

dd - I'm sorry your having such a hard time with your O, I really do have all my fingers crossed for you.

And as for AF, when I woke up this morning with thrush again, I have decided to be proactive and go back to my naturopath now to avoid stuffing around for the next 6 months, especially when it seems my cycle's going to go back haywire. Sometimes it's very tiring being a female, I feel like throwing myself onto the floor and having the worlds biggest tantrum!

Sorry girls, I'm not really good at doing persies because I don't really know what I'm talking about! Hope everyone enjoys their hump-day-wednesday xx

[Miss.B]

Hi Girls,

Well, I made it alive out of the op theatre ! I got back late this morning and I'm supposed to be putting my feet up, but I couldn't wait to say hi to you all lovely ladies and let you know all went OK. Thanks so much for all your lovely messages and good wishes while I've been in hospital !
The fibroid came out without resistance, it was grey amd spongy, and weighed almost 1 kg ( yey to losing 1 kg ! ) and it was pretty much dead. My OB who operated on me, said it a perfect op and he couldn't have wished for a better one. I think he was very relieved that things went smoothly, as I've already went thru hell losing Joshua because of this wretched fibroid.
The staples are coming out on Friday and the pain is ok ATM. I'm just taking panadol with voltaren tablets, I've come off the morphine tablets yesterday and I'm going ok without them so far. I tell you, going for no. 2's after the op was hell, all the pain relief got me so constipated, I didn't go until Monday afternoon. I think I must have eaten a kilo of fruit and prunes every day and drank 10 litres of water a day to make sure I did a poo so the could let me go.
Oh, and now I've cought a cold at the hospital, so I've got this dry cough ATM which is threatening to open up my poor stiches. But then again, I shouldn't copmplain, I'm just wrapped things went smoothly.

Will catch up on personals soon, sorry !

Love
Beata xoxo

[dd0207]

Beata, so good to hear from you and so very glad your op went well. What a relief. Gee that fibroid sounds nasty, thank God it's out of you. Take good care of yourself, put your feet up and relax - and please cough and push gently! Glad you're back

Thanks for my hugs girls. Really need them today as am feeling very very sad and so so stressed

[helle]

Beata - Glad all went well! I'm sure releif is an understatement!

Well I need to b*tch! I've been on the phone to Dr's for about half hour trying to hunt down Jayvans genetic results and no one has the damn things! How long do they expect people to wait, really!?

That tantrum is looking rather appealing right now. Humph.

[Miss.B]

Oh Diana, you poor hun, I've read the last few posts and I feel for you hun . I think you're gonna need that holiday. Perhaps IVF is the way to go, that way they'll be able to grow those nice eggs and then harvest them and in no time you're gonna have some nice little embies to put back in. BTW, my doc ( when I say my doc I mean my OB/IVF specialist all rolled into one ) told me that if I want to try anything while undergoing IVF then try accupuncture. He said it's quite beneficail when doing IVF and also in general as well. Don't worry sweetie, they'll get you going in no time. Just try to have a relaxing holiday first, try not to think too much about TTC too much ATM. Sending you huge hugs hun.

Teagz, doesn't seem you're going much better darl ! I think going back to your naturopath is a good idea, at least you can start getting some answers ...big hug

[MrsRobbo]

Hi Ladies

Beata: so happy to hear from you and see that everything went well. A pretty extreme way to lose a kg but hey, take it while you can I say! Supposedly pear juice is he go for painkiller induced constipation. I drank heaps of it after having Ethan and it worked a treat!

Sue: wow your chart looks so perfect. I have never had a temp above 36.7 and thought that was an achievment but look at you. It must have been your meds giving you ttc trouble. I am so glad you have all that sorted out. How is Lily going. Hopefully kicking up a storm.

Tildy: your chart is very similar as far as the drop goes isn't it. Lets hope I get the same result as you on Saturday. I thought my temps bounced a round a lot but yours are like they are on bouncing beans or something.

Helen: the word patience is not in my vocabulary. So much so that the GF who is coming this weekend doesn't believe me that I am waiting to test with her on Saturday. She is adamant that I could not possibly wait that long and must have already bought an EPT and just not sharing the result with her! Cross my heart though that I have not tested yet. But I am counting the sleeps until Saturday!

Diana: hugs to you. You are having a rough trot. I hope you get some answers soon. It is so strange that you have just changed this cycle. Hopefully we'll hear some good news from you soon.

Hi to everyone else, the family is starting to pace wondering where dinner is so I had better run.

[helle]

Thought I'd post some feel good news
A friend of my brothers girlfriend misscarried her bub at 12 weeks about 6 months ago, I have just found out she is 12 weeks pregnant with # 2.
Also! A fam friend of ours who misscarried at around 8 weeks is pregnant again with TWINS!