Mel - Zucchini slice sounds yum, i would definetly luurve the receipe...lol on the suggetion that DS would like it too, all he eats at the moment is nuggets and 2 minute noodles. He wouldn't dream of eating anything that had a vege in it.
Lynn - The witch is ok, just wish she wasn't here at all. But heres hoping that this is the last one for year or so, for all of us!
Dream - I am sorry to hear about your dad and grandma, though I am glad that your dad will be ok. Congrats on the 2 kilo's, well done! Oh, I am just off to Bali at easter, though I am a little off the idea after the news today, and earthquake and a Garuda flight went down!!
Hi too to Spring and Flowerchild, and I will come back on later to say hello again to everyone....have to go and occupy my little monster, he has been throwing many a tantrum today and I want to tire him out and put him to bed...
Hi LYnn,
Progesterone of 18 indicates that there was probably little or no ovulatory response. (in my opinion). It is also in my opinion probably too low to indicate pregnancy had occured However, as with all things pregnancy and babies you need to expect the unexpected.
The progesterone levels for pregnancy in the 1st trimester vary greatly from about 30-160nmol/L. With the levels rising quite steadily in the early days. When women have serial progesterone levels done after conception (but before hcg is available) you will see a steady increase in the levels. However, this doesn't always indicate pregnancy as you can have quite high levels with steep rises and not be pregnant. (I believe that Michelle had very high prog. levels in one particular cycle prior to conceiving Alf)
OKay all of that said... It could be an aberration of normal temp - you were hot, etc etc. I have had a similar experience when temping (years ago) and when I retrospectively looked at my chart I assumed environmental factors being the cause. I am not saying this is what has happened with you but it's just a thought.
I am not sure, I guess all you can do is to wait until tomorrows temp and see. I am really sorry Lynn as I know that hasn't helped at all... Email me so I can send you this lovely magical Moonstone to put in your beautiful yellow booties.
Thanks Deb - I guess I knew this would be the case, I think I had a moment of 'what if'. Not that I have done a test because I think it would really be wasting them because I know deep down that I'm not. I guess I just didn't understand my temps this morning and maybe got a little glimps of hope. I just wish they would go down the witch arrive! Aghhhh! Oh well, all in good time hey! I emailed you last night - did you not get it? I sent it to the bellybelly address.
Oh well - back to cleaning the house. Can't put my feet up just yet.............not yet..........but very soon Trying to be positive and not stress - surely this can only help!
Lynn I have to agree with Deb....sorry. Thanks for your kinds words by the way you can always call!
Mel Goodluck today, by the time you read this you would have been to the agency and the doctors and Im sure all will be good. Let us know how you go. Thanks for the encourgement I sort of have to lose weight as I now have no clothes that fit and a wardrobe full of stuff just need to slim down.....alot!!! but its was good to see something come off. Did you get some nice stuff shopping?
Bailey Oh just Bali! Do you need anyone to carry bags, babysit etc? I think I could be available, thank you also for the encouragment I need all I can get.
Deb Has the fence been done? what a women you are! The rain is good but only between the hours of 5pm and 8.30am (washing is in, home from sport and school, and before we have to leave to go to school!!!!) Gives us all day to get stuff done,Im not asking for much am I! Where do you get moonstone from, I have a rosequartz loveheart shape necklace I wear often but didnt know about moonstone? Also thank for your words of encourgement. Will DH be home in time for O?
Spring How was your night with DH? Good luck today Im thinking about you and know all is going to be just fine! Thank you for been so inspired by me, you do the same I look up to you and little spring and just know I should keep going.
Michelle How is the whole pregnancy going? Thank you so much for that offer I would love a pair of booties, I am going to need all I can get for .......oh only 5months time well I like to say in 5 cycles it sounds closer!!!! and some of that Alfie dust will be good to.
Well girls I want to thank you all so very much for giving me all of your encouraging words... I know feel I have to achieve for you guys which is good and makes me work harder at getting rid of the "spare tyre" I also want to thank you for your kind words with regard to my grandmother and dad, things are sent to try us and help us grow and im hoping I will gain more from this time and turn it all into something positive. I do have a question to put to you all and you can feel free not to answer......My mum rings this morning and suggested not to take DS over to see my grandmother as she is very sick, I do know this as I was there on Tue, DS id very close to GGM (great grandmother) and has asked to see her before "going to heaven to see great pop" I have no problem with this and think I will but am not total sure, I also was told by mum that I should not take him to the funeral, I was not planning on this anyway, I have told him she is very sick and not looking great but he seams to still want to go. I need your thoughts and help, if anyone went through this when they were younger or experianced this please let me know.
In saying all of the above they are talking only a matter of weeks now for my grandmother, time will be very precious to spend with her I only hope we can keep the pain to a min. and make her comfortable.........once again thank you all for your kind words. Im sorry if this has been a little down. On an up note I had my hair cut and coloured and feel a bit better, amazing what a haircut can do!!!! Hope you all have a wonderful afternoon and will try to get back on later tonight as Im not going to the gym today....my day off.
Dream: I am so sorry that you grandmother is very unwell. It is a very difficult time for a family. I lost my grandfather in August of 2005 and I still get really upset just thinking about him.
About your DS, when I was about 9 my other Grandfather passed away. I was very close to him and he only lived down the road so I spent many afternoons either in the garden or in the shed watching him fix something. He was my world. He passed away from a heart attack very suddenly. My mum and dad said that I couldn't go to the funeral but I begged and eventually they said I could go to the church service but not to the grave site. After the church service I remember telling my parents that I wanted to go to the cemetary and say good bye and they let me go after a lot of convincing. I recall the funeral very clearly, I think one of the things that upset me the most was seeing my Dad cry during the Eulogy (sp?) but the other thing that it allowed me to do was to truely understand what happends and it wasn't as scary as I had imagined. The other really healing thing was the wake, I got to hear funny stories about my Grandad from the people who knew him his whole life and that made the day complete.
I am very sorry that you are having to consider such things, and I really hope that your Grandmother pulls through, but you know your DS and what is the best for him. I wish that I had the chance to say goodbye to my Grandfather while he was alive. He was taken away so suddenly that the funeral was the way I said my farewell. If you DS wants to see his GGM, it may help him understand, and accept the cycle of life, perhaps keep the visit short, and talk to him about what she is like before you go. All children are differnt though, so I am sure you will do what is best for your DS and for your family. Big warm fuzzy :hugs:
Lynn: I don't know what your body is up to so I am sorry I can't give any useful advice. I of course hope that you are pregnant, but if it is not to be, I hope that the stupid witch just shows the heck up.
Mel: I hope DH is ok. When you feel like it, drop in and let us know how you are going. I am sending all the positive vibes I can muster.
Flowerchild: It never ceases to amaze me just how much you seem to know about the female form. You are astonishing. You always have such useful advice for all of you. I really just wanted to say thanks.
Bailey: I must have missed your post about Bali. Excuse the dumb question but when do you go? I have never been there but I can imagine just how beautiful it must be. Hope you are having a good day.
Well the appointment at the pshyc went well. I talked to him about how worried I am because my ob wants me to go to 38 weeks. He said it isn't his job to advise on medical issues, but that he used to be an OB and would write to my OB and explain the true extent of the fear. He said his interest was my health and that if it all go to much then he would explore opportunities down the track closer to the birth. I am glad that I feel like he is on my side.
Well the ob appointment is at 5.00pm today and then DH heads straight back to Canberra. He is asleep on the couch at the moment because he has been working such long hours. Can wait to see Lil Spring again.
Nat - I would love to make a pair of booties for you. Lynn's pair will be finished this afternoon so I should have yours done by next week. Sooner if I don't get called in for night shift tonight.
As for the funeral / seeing dying people thing. It depends on the child. My nephew was 2 when his Pa (my Pop) died. He remembers him going to hospital and when asked he will tell you that Pa is a star. His other GGF died around the same time. My uncle died the month before Caitlyn was born and nephew saw him the month before that before he died (but when he was dying from cancer). He went to my uncle's funeral too (as did my niece but she was 2 and we had noone to leave her with).
When Caitlyn died, my nephew (4 1/2) was desparate to talk to me the night we found out. He was blunt (aren't they always ) and asked if my baby died in my tummy. He wanted to talk to me after she was born but was prevented for about 3 days until they could hold him back no longer. He asked if Caitlyn was a star now like Pa. He came to the funeral (which was just a small number of immediate family) and one of his first questions before the service was where was Caitlyn going to be buried. I explained some people get put into the ground like uncle and others get turned into ash and Caitlyn will be turned into ash. I had pre-empted this question so I was prepared - no choice with this child!!!
Now, my nephew takes Caitlyn's picture out of the cupboard to talk to occasionally. He has been very sweet with this pregnancy, initially asking if my baby is still growing and now asking if *alf* is hungry, thirsty etc. We introduced him to this pregnancy earlier than we wanted because we didn't want him to find out from another source (and he also asked when we were having another baby around the time *alf* was conceived!!!) We told him that we had a seed growing and if it continued to grow we would have a baby, but that not all seeds grow and if this one didn't then we would plant another and try again. He is a country boy and this was within the realm of his experience and understanding. We also didn't want to give him the illusion that all pregnancies resulted in a death either.
For him, there was never an option of excluding him from the process of death and dying. He is a well adjusted little boy who asks the hard questions and gets the answers straight (age appropriate but no fibs - he remembers!!!) He understands that some people die, some get buried and some get cremated but to him they are all stars and they are all still there watching over him. I believe he is an old soul I wouldn't have had it any other way.
Not all families are comfortable with this approach but for us it works. If your son wants to see his GGM then take him. Ask him what his understanding of death and dying is and if he wants to be involved in the funeral process then allow him that option if you are comfortable with it. They often deal with it better than the grown ups do.
Nat - don't be sorry. I knew what the answer was, I guess I was just hoping that I was wrong. I think I am going crazy though - you know what I just did!!!! You are going to think I am a nutcase. I just rang up to confirm my prog levels. I thought what if I heard her wrong, what if she said 80 and not 18. Who was I kidding! She confirmed 18.3
I'm sorry to hear that your grandmother only has a few weeks. I hope you get to spend as much time with her. Both my grandparents (mum's mum and dad's dad) live in England. DH and I were overseas in 2001 and had planned to see them. I knew they were both sick (Grandpa had bone cancer and my Nan had had a stroke). I arrived in England the day after my Grandpa passed away. I was so angry at myself for not getting there sooner. My dad didn't want me to see him anyway because he said he isn't what you remember. When I saw my nan she wasn't the same person in a way because she used to be so fit, healthy and active and here she was stuck in a wheelchair. But she was still the caring, sweet Nan that I always remembered. It was so hard to see my nan like that but I am so glad that I did get to see her. I have so many beautiful memories from the last time I saw her. I didn't get the chance to go to either funeral because I was back home. I think our parents are always trying to protect us and I guess that is what my parents were trying to do but I am glad that I saw my nan. It is a tough decision for you to make but if he really wants to go then maybe let him. I know that you will do the right thing for your son.
What colour did you do your hair? A hair cut is always good. I think I need to book in. You are so good, can you send me some :get active: vibes. I have just been feeling sorry for myself lately so have been lying in bed to all hours of the day and not getting my arse out of bed and walking! Ok I will start tomorrow. See those vibes are already working
Spring - I'm glad your appointment went well. It is good to know that he is on your side. You are probably leaving soon for your scan. I know everything will be fine but I will still wish you the best. Let us know how you go.
Mel - I hope everything went well with DH today. How did you go at the agency? Thinking of you
Michelle - Wow! That was quick with the booties. Again thank you so much for making them for me :hugs:
Well Lil Spring is doing really well, bouncing around like a champion. DH was so happy to see him/her and asked if he could take the scan back to work to show the boys. Of course I said yes but I made him promise to bring it back. The poor bugger is driving back to Canberra now for work tomorrow and then is coming back to Sydney tomorrow night for the weekend. It is so nice to have him home.
There is a storm here at the moment, but it seems to be passing so Frankie isn't losing his mind (too much). Just exhausting himself runing around trying to protect the yard from the big bad thunder. I have had a really emotional and exhausting day. I think I can do a vaginal birth one moment and then I am petrified the next. Oh well, I am just going to concentrate on the 12 week scan next week and take it from there.
I'll pop in later to do some personals once the storm has gone.
Spring - I'm so happy that lil' Spring is bouncing around in there. It must have been so exciting to have DH with you for the scan. I hope Frankie is ok with this storm that is going over.
Well the nutcase is back. Not sure what was going on with my temps this morning, but guess who arrived at my place??????????????? Yep the wicked witch has arrived. I don't know whether I should cry or be happy so I will do both I guess in a way I am upset because another month has passed and nothing! I have failed yet again. But at the same time I am happy because it means that this is the start of a new cycle and this cycle has a plan. A plan that is going to work - I'm sure of it! I can promise you that this is the last time that the witch is coming to my place this year!!! So now I am just praying for some good eggies this month
I don't know if I should be happy with you or cry with you about AF arriving, but at least the wait is over. I hope she is kind that that the eggies are fantastic and I hope that
I'm good Spring. I have a new sense of peace having reached the milestone. *alf* is a busy little boy who entertains me with his activities. Sometimes I wish I knew what he was up to in there - but then again, maybe I don't!!! As for the booties, they are small and a nice way to pass the time. I should be doing my niece's cross-stitch but the knitting is more fun
Big hello to everyone - I hope you are having a lovely night. I need to get back to the knitting .....
Hi all, I havent been around cause its been a busy day... and it has taken me a while to read through all the posts LOL.
Spring - So happy lil Spring is doing well and that DH got to see him/her. I bet this has made his feelings towards the pregnancy alot more real and you will probably find he is different when you talk about everything with him with is fantastic. I am really glad to hear your psych will support you through everything, and also contact your OB on your behalf. I agree with him, if the time comes and you are stressing to the max he will have to reassess the plan for yours and lil Spring's sake. Wow, you wont know yourself with DH home last night and also on the weekend - but I am glad he is gonna be there, lets face it the reason we marry them is cause we kinda like having 'em around.
Lynn - I am sorry that AF showed, but also not sorry iykwim cause im wrapped you can now begin your next cycle and plan everything. Very happy to see you now have a TTC ticker, hated being the only one Can I ask a really dumb question? If you have a longer cycle, like you said your last one was around 37 days - how do they work out how far pregnant you are? I mean cause you know for me who generally has a 28 day cycle, on the day your period is due you would technically be 4 weeks pregnant. So how would you calculate it if you have a long cycle? I am sorry I know I sound like a bimbo, but I thought ahh well it doesnt hurt to ask. Oh and by the way, I hope she doesnt give you too much grief this month, and I am positive it will be her last visit for 8-9 months!
Bailey - I am like you, I get myself all upset if I think too much about the feeling of Nicholas moving around inside. I remember I used to complain to DH all the time cause I am sure he would plant the boots into my left ribs all the time, like he was in there saying yeah take that! I would give anything to have him kicking me now, but what can ya do. I hope you like the recipe, and that DS enjoys it - although he will probably prove me wrong.
Deb - I agree with Spring, you are a wealth of knowledge and you continue to impress me more and more with each day that passes.
Michelle - Your nephew sounds like such a little sweetie, sorry just had to say that. I have a 3yo nephew and love him to bits, he is also an old soul I think.
I think what you tell him about the seed is a perfect thing to say, and I will keep it in mind cause we have been talking about what to say and when to tell DHs kids next time. They are 5 and 6 (well and a 2 year old but she just plays and I dont think she understood anything that was going on when I was pg or when we lost Nicholas) and I want them to know early but then keep worrying what if I m/c and then have to explain it, its a tough one.
Nat - My pa (dads dad) died when I was 7 and I remember seeing him in the hospital, he had a heart attack, and also going to his funeral. He was my favourite person in the world and I was his, my grandmother said to him once when I was naughty "she could kill the queen and you'd say she had a good reason" and he said "yes and so she would". I would be so sad now thinking I hadnt had the chance to say goodbye, I remember him and his death and funeral very clearly which is weird for a 7 year old but none of those memories haunt me or anything, they are just memories. My aunty also died when I was 10 and same with her I got to go to the funeral, she died suddenly so it wasnt the same situation, but I remember the day the police knocked on the door to tell my parents she had died. I do remember that funeral with sadness and I remember very vividly that they played the song The Rose which we played at Nicholas funeral, but again I am grateful I got to go. DHs 3 children went to Nicholas' funeral also, as well as my nephew who turned 3 in Feb this year. We thought they had the right to say goodbye and also felt that as sad as it is death is a part of life and while it is the job of adults to protect children, to a certain degree it is best not to shelter them from the bad things in life. I agree with the other girls, it is ultimately your decision and you are the one who knows your son and what he is or isnt capable of coping with but it might be worth asking him what he really wants and giving the facts and in a way letting him choose. At 8 years old kids can be so wise, but yet in some ways so young. I think they are capable of handling things more easily than we think they can sometimes. Anyway, I guess it is like we have said about everything else in our lives whatever you do will be what you thought was right at the time and therefore no regrets. Thinking of you and your family
Well as for me, DH is doing well - his bum a little sore HEHE (dont tell him I laughed at that) but we dont get the results until next week so I will have to update you later on that one. My interview went ok, didnt get as good results as last place I saw but they were still happy and said to let them know if and when I want work cause they have it coming out of their ears.
The cemetary rang DH this morning and said that we can pick Nicholas up on the weekend, actually we can tomorrow but because DH is working it has to wait until Saturday so I am pretty happy with that.
One last thing to end this lengthy post (making up for no other posts today ) is can anyone tell me what they think may be going on with me? As I mentioned I got AF one day early this month which is weird because every other month since having Nicholas it has been like clockwork and lasts about 5-7 days. Anyway, I AF arrived Sunday night and yesterday I didnt get any bleeding which was odd but I thought it would come back today but again today nothing! Which makes me think AF has finished and in that case only lasted 2 days... Do you think there is a problem? Or is it normal for it to be one way and then just change for no reason? Its kind of worrying me, especially cause it has been 6 months since Nicholas was born and I am STILL not pregnant
Sorry again for long one.
Take care, hi to everyone I missed.
Mel
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Hey Mel - I'm so happy that you get to bring your little boy home soon It will be a tough day but also a very special day. I will be thinking of you on Saturday. Everyday I still think about when I am going to take Cooper to his garden. I just don't know, it is such a tough decision.
I'm glad that DH is going to be ok. I hope you get the results soon.
I think I am the last person to give you advice on AF!!!!! Look at me, I am so not regular or clockwork, but I hope someone will be able to give you some advice. Are you going to have some tests done? What's the plan? I think you need a plan this month Mel.
In regards to working out how far I am, they will go off when I ovulate because they will know this. This happened to me with Cooper and I was always interested to see when he would arrive to see if they had the dates right. I guess they also go off measurements of bub. I'll let you know next month eh!
Bailey - wow it could be a busy month for this thread. 3 of us might be graduating together - I wish we all could I thought I better get a ticker so you can keep up with what day I am at although it is already wrong. It hasn't ticked over to day 2, not sure how to fix it but will try. It is probably on US time.
Hi to everyone else. Hope you are having a good Friday.
Hey Lynn - I am looking forward to having him home, only 1 more sleep to go Re having tests done this month, I dont know if there is anything they can do. DH has to have his swimmers tested but he cant get in for that until 31st March (which I am sure he is happy about) and I have a Levovist booked in for 2 April. Other than that the infertility specialist is on 15 May and that is all they can do because they have confirmed I have O'd. I guess I just have to keep planning as per usual that I will O on or around CD14 and hope for the best. Its just really made me feel uneasy that I only had AF 2 days, I have never had such a short one in my whole life. I dont know, I am hoping it is this month but I dont like my chances - I have been hoping every other month and it hasnt happened. My sister says I need to think positively but I am finding it almost impossible. I guess it doesnt really matter if you have to wait for a scan to be given a due date huh, I mean you will know roughly how far along you are and the main thing is you are pregnant huh. I would love so much for all of us to get one this month
How have you been today? Do you have to have more BTs this month? Dont worry about your ticker, mine was behind the whole way through my last cycles and the only way I got it to be right this time is because I told it AF arrived on the Sat instead of the Sun just so it would look right.
How was your day? Hope you are doing ok. Your sister is only trying to help, just like my family. They keep telling me to be positive but like you, I find it hard. Are you using OPK's to find out when you are O'ing. I know you hate them but have they worked for you in the past? I guess the only other thing to do is every second day from CD10 until you have o'd.
I have been ok today. My friend from work came over this morning. I haven't seen anyone from work since I lost Cooper. I have spoken to the boss but that was it. She said that everyone would love to see me but I am scared to walk into that place because the whole time I was pregnant, plus every second person is either pg, just had a baby or their partner is pg............agh! Something in the water! I think I need to bite the bullet and go in so I told her I would ring her Monday morning and see how I am and probably go in on Monday afternoon.
I have also been busy booking myself in for things......dentist, hairdresser, facial - maybe if I feel good, it will help!
I have also booked into the fertility clinic - here goes!!!! They are going to start BT on CD9 which is next Saturday and then they will do BT every day or second day depending on what my levels are like. I'm going to be a pin cushion again!!! I don't care what they have to do as long as by the end of this I get my BFP
I will be thinking of you tomorrow. It will be so nice to have your special little boy home with you at last Give him a big hug from me.
Luv & hugs
Lynn
xxx
p.s. I think our tickers are wrong because they are based on US time.
Spring Wonderful news on little spring bean it sounds like he/she is jumping around which is great. Is it true your 12weeks next week? where did that time go? It must be such a hard decision on which way to labour im sure when the time comes something will lead you to the right decision. I hope you have agreat weekend with DH and hes not to tired.
Lynn Wow mixed emotions....Iam happy for you that now you can start a new path to that baby making but sad the witch arrived. Im sending with all I have that this month will be the one.
Michelle Alf sounds like he will be a very active little boy!!! trust me all boys are. Thanks you the booties I will give you my email if you want to send me yours and I can send my address......if any of that amkes sence!! Thank you for sgaring your story and thoughts with me, its all reaffirmed my decision.
Mel Sorry poor old DH bum!!! Im sure all will be good, Its so hard when you just have to wait, I wish I could make "time fly" for you. But maybe while your waiting and making you will make that little bean!!! Lets think positive, also thank you for your help.
Bailey Even though your in travel Im still jealous and the offer to carry the bags is still there! Your brought tears to my eyes with DS comment...the innocence of children, When I was talking to DS about the visit I asked if he was sure he wanted to go he was very sure mum, he wanted to say goodbye to GN as he wont be seeing her for a long time and that when she gets to heaven could she tell great pop how much he loves him and still misses him and if she sees Pusscar (our cat that died) could she please give her a pat for him.......this made my mind up there and then with tears in my eyes.
Deb Where are you? Out chasing cows?
I will have to go my girfriend has just arrived with her three boys so I must be off but should get back as DH is out for the night and I might get to use the computer for a change!!! hope you all have a great afternoon.
However, as with all things pregnancy and babies you need to expect the unexpected. 
Trying to be positive and not stress - surely this can only help!
I also want to thank you for your kind words with regard to my grandmother and dad, things are sent to try us and help us grow and im hoping I will gain more from this time and turn it all into something positive. I do have a question to put to you all and you can feel free not to answer......My mum rings this morning and suggested not to take DS over to see my grandmother as she is very sick, I do know this as I was there on Tue, DS id very close to GGM (great grandmother) and has asked to see her before "going to heaven to see great pop" I have no problem with this and think I will but am not total sure, I also was told by mum that I should not take him to the funeral, I was not planning on this anyway, I have told him she is very sick and not looking great but he seams to still want to go. I need your thoughts and help, if anyone went through this when they were younger or experianced this please let me know.
) and asked if my baby died in my tummy. He wanted to talk to me after she was born but was prevented for about 3 days until they could hold him back no longer. He asked if Caitlyn was a star now like Pa. He came to the funeral (which was just a small number of immediate family) and one of his first questions before the service was where was Caitlyn going to be buried. I explained some people get put into the ground like uncle and others get turned into ash and Caitlyn will be turned into ash. I had pre-empted this question so I was prepared - no choice with this child!!!
I guess in a way I am upset because another month has passed and nothing! I have failed yet again. But at the same time I am happy because it means that this is the start of a new cycle and this cycle has a plan. A plan that is going to work - I'm sure of it! I can promise you that this is the last time that the witch is coming to my place this year!!! So now I am just praying for some good eggies this month 
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I thought I better get a ticker so you can keep up with what day I am at although it is already wrong. It hasn't ticked over to day 2, not sure how to fix it but will try. It is probably on US time.
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