thread: 3 Years to 5 Years, March'05

  1. #19
    Add Rouge on Facebook

    Jun 2003

    Sometimes when they get upset at an accident they do go a bit backwards. My gf's son had a similar experience, where he had an accident at a friends house (unfamiliar to start with not a good start) and then after that he was like it for a week. My gf had to had to continue with the hourly asking for a little while until he had his confidence back. Its sooooo hard for us too coz my ultimate reaction is frustration and annoyance but I know I can't react that way otherwise it continues the problem with them lacking confidence. I remember a few months ago Paris had an accident (first one since TT) because she was playing and kept putting off going. She was absolutely MORTIFIED that she had an accident and I was grumpy because of it I swear I had to fight it so hard not to be grumpy and then afterwards we were all cleaned up I felt Sooooooooooo guilty LOL! But I think I was stressing over that more than she was in the end LOL!

    I hope things go back to normal soon, I know how annoying it can be


  2. #20
    BellyBelly Member

    Jun 2003


    Just wanted to let you know that I understand the whole pulling your hair out about toilet training thing. Jack was the same although he was a year older when he started Kindy (due to a change in the cut off dates here in WA) he was actually 4 1/2 when he started Kindy. Anyway here is something I have found which may help you deal with the current issues you have.

    A challenge for preschoolers

    Daytime wetting commonly occurs in children ages 3 to 5 who have been successfully toilet trained. More girls than boys have the problem. For these children, using the toilet is no longer novel and praiseworthy. Instead, it's a routine expectation — one that children may not always worry about meeting. That's when accidents occur.

    Preschool children are so intent on exploring and doing things that they can choose to ignore their bodies' signals, opting to "hold it" until a more convenient time. This strategy works for a while, but children who wait too long experience an involuntary muscle contraction that empties the bladder. The result — wet pants.

    Putting off a trip to the bathroom is probably the most common cause of daytime wetting among preschoolers. Some other possible behavioral causes include:

    Excessive laughter or excitement
    Stressful events, such as the birth of a sibling or a pending trip to the hospital
    Fear of using public restrooms
    Over-consumption of foods or beverages that have caffeine and artificial sweeteners

    Use scheduling, support and instruction

    Treatment for daytime wetting varies, depending on your child's age and the frequency of accidents. Experiment with the options listed below, along with any others recommended by your child's doctor.

    Schedule toilet trips. Ask children to use the bathroom every two hours while they're awake.

    Remind your child. Suggest that your child urinate at other regular times — for example, just before boarding the school bus or getting in the car. Allow extra time for this.

    A schedule of bathroom trips after each of the three daily meals, at bedtime, and at 10 a.m., 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. works for many children.

    Help your child relax. Encourage children to relax their pelvic muscles when going to the bathroom. Also, tell them to take their time and make sure their bladder is fully emptied.

    Involve teachers. "We work hard to send letters to teachers to make sure that children stay on a timed bathroom schedule," says Douglas Husmann, M.D., a pediatric urologist at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. "If children have wetting episodes more frequently than every two hours, they usually need to be on medications so that they can make the two-hour intervals." It's a good idea to have a change of underwear and clothing available at school if this is a frequent problem.

    Observe your child. Look for the telltale signs of holding it. If your child fidgets, squirms, squats or holds the genital area, an immediate trip to the bathroom is in order.

    Keep a diary. It may be helpful for you to record your child's bathroom habits on a calendar or diary. This will be a helpful aid in understanding your child's daytime wetting problems.

    Minimize childhood stresses. Help your child find ways to manage or avoid stressful situations that increase the likelihood of accidents.

    Teach your child to use public toilets. Some children may feel more comfortable using public restrooms if you show them how to clean the toilet seat.

    Respond matter-of-factly to wet pants. When it happens, most children already feel ashamed. So bypass scolding. Say something like, "This happens to kids your age." Or: "You just forgot this time. Let's remember, so it doesn't happen again."

    Encourage your child to change. Rather than ignore wet clothes, your child should put on dry underwear and clothing.

    Try disposable pull-ups. For embarrassing daytime bladder problems, your child may benefit from using absorbent underpants to stay dry and odor-free in case they have an accident.

    Avoid punishment. Children don't wet themselves in order to aggravate or disobey you. Wetting often happens when children are absorbed in activities that — for the moment — are more interesting than going to the bathroom.

    In most children, daytime wetting results from causes that are easy to identify and simple to treat. Over time, the problem often disappears. Your patience and help can make that happen even sooner.

    When to call for help

    If you or your children are worried about daytime wetting at any time, don't hesitate to contact your doctor. He or she can help you determine the cause and recommend some treatment options.
    HTH ... there are so many other reasons that it may be happening but more often than not it is due to being "too busy" to go. Emma went through this stage for a few months but I then put her on a strict toilet timetable!!! I told her when she was to go to the toilet and made a big deal of it all again and she soon got back in the habit of going when she needed to. Jack was the same, this is why I used pull ups ... he would wear them if we were going out just so I wouldn't have to worry about getting him changed straight away. I would always say the same things when we got home if he was wet ... "Oops we forgot to go again ... next time when you need to do wees you have to tell Mummy". He soon sorted it out.


  3. #21

    Thanks for the Kelly. I will definitely give the two hour trick a go again. #2's have been our biggest problem, cause he was doing it out on the lawn like the dog does and now he is doing it in his pants. I took him to the toilet this morning and 30mins later there was poo in his pants.

    But will start to get him into the 2hourly routine and see how we go with that. We already make sure he goes before bed, and before going out anywhere.


  4. #22
    BellyBelly Member

    Jun 2003

    I hope it works for you Kathryn. I can honeestly say I haven't ever had huge issues with #2's!!!!!! Except for Jack ... and then it is because even now he won't take the time to wipe properly, he is too busy doing stuff!!!


  5. #23

    Well after 1 poo accident this morning and another smaller poo accident this arvo I have gone back to the very beginning. There is an air tight container sitting in the window sill of the bathroom with his favourite treat in it, so if he does a poo in the toilet, he will get a treat after washing his hands. He has been told and shown what is in the container and told he will get one when he does poo in the toilet and will remind him when he goes for wees as well. They said on the net it should take 1 week, 2 weeks at most for kids his age to get back into the swing of it.