Babies Born April 16th - 30th 2008 #1

Thanks for the hugs Nettie.
Now that DD is asleep, DS has woken after 4 and half hours of sleeping - told you I'd regret it later :doh: and DH has after 4 and half hours of sleeping cooked dinner, had a shower and gone out for the night - just like he went out last night, I can actually type a little bit more than my short and snappy post earlier.
DD is either teething or suffering from this cold as she was irritable all day and hardly slept at all. I have been trying to get baby items listed on Ebay and slowly it is happening.
My main reason for being so over today is that DH went out last night and again tonight with a mate whose wife has been preventing him from catching up with his friends, so I am trying to be okay with it since this is only the 3rd time this year they have seen each other. The other two times was mate's birthday - family bbq by the river and mate's DS's christening. They haven't even visited to meet our new addition and only saw her at 7 weeks because we went to their DS's christening. DH going out means I have to deal with the sleep deprivation as DD was waking every 2-3 hours last night and then keep the kids occupied so he could sleep this afternoon and tomorrow is going to be horrible as he will be tired whilst we go to my parents place for Mum's birthday and to cover father's day off at the same time :angry:. All of this because mate's wife has gone away for the weekend and he is on an off week from the mines.
Now on top of that I'm not going to get a full night's sleep since DS is full of beans after his 4 and a half hour sleep - I'm ready for bed now and he wants to play!!!
Feel like that rant didn't make any sense - oh so tired... going to try to get DS to go to bed - wish me luck :crossfingers:

Aw fter reading that Grubi I feel awful coming in here to say the BJ slept (with a few stirrings that didnt need me, and one dummy return that did) from 6:30pm til 7:45am....Mind you it may be a one off!

I hope you got some sleep Grubi!!!!

Nettie hows the head?
Sharon I hope you guys are all on the mend!

Hello ladies!! i have really been missing in action. I have barely had a minute to myself lately. Has been compounded by my second bout of mastitis and now I have the flu. DH has been rather unhelpful with Luke lately so I have been trying to do everything and deal with his ****ty moods too. Been really fun.

What makes it all so much worse is that I had my first girls night out planned on Friday night just gone and was too sick with mastitis and flu to go. I was ready to burst into tears. Will tyr to reschedule I guess.

Luke on the other hand is doing awesome. Still fully BF but we are trying some rice cereal with apple the last few weeks and he is enjoying that. he is still off the weight chart at 8.8kg at 4months and has recently leapt off the length chart too at 69cm. He is a lovely little fellow full of smiles and is still sleeping through. Not showing any signs of wanting to roll though - i think he is simply to fat and lazy - why roll when someone will cme and carry me around. Going to have awesome triceps before this is done!

I have read through some of the posts - but it has been so long that personals are really beyond me. Hope everyone is well. I will try to pop in sooner rather than later this time!

Well, my little man was in bed by 6:05 last night, took a tad longer to settle last night but I think he could quite easily have gone down for the night at 5:30 but we were a bit behind due to being at the grandparents an hour and a half away...got home at 4:40, had a bottle, cereal at 5:15, bath at 5:30, and bottle at 5:50...so pretty darn good if you ask me!!!
Other than 3 dummy returns (none of which woke me fully!) he went from about 6:40 til 7am....was up til 8:30 then back to bed...where he still is...
Im thinking it will be early bed for him from now on!!!

Hi girls

ive been lurking but also pretty busy.

Russell is tranisitioning into his got as of yesterday. i decided better start that before he get to much bigger. so far all is going ok. he slept 8 - 6 last night in his own room , but i did get up to check on him at 3 just to be on the safe side as ts such a heart wrenching process. am used to having him right beside the bed and now hes in another room .

Q? he sleep s in a bubba sleeping bag and i have never had issues with him rolling in but should i use some anti roll pillows just in case of will the sleeping bag do the trick?

BW Don't feel bad about posting on the sleep with BJ. I think it is great and I know I'll get back there soon, just with the headcold I'm waking to ever stir, Greer will most likely go back to only waking with wind pain and possibly an 11-11.30pm feed once she is over the snotty sinus stage, we all have it so I'm okay with the sleeplessness. It's more that DH gets the sleep-ins that poops me off.
Like today he is on holidays and went to sleep after lunch and is still asleep, Greer went down about an hour ago, has stirred after 40 minutes and I've resettled, but it is almost time to pick up DS and therefore I won't go to sleep for fear of not waking.
That being said we had a huge sleep on Saturday night and last night was pretty good. DS, DD and I were all in bed by 8pm and didn't get out of bed until just after 7 and despite the wakings at 11pm, 2.30am and 6am. So we are improving.
Shell Sorry to hear you've been suffering mastitis. Hope you get your girls night out soon. I'm over the need to go out now, I've become such a home body. :rolleyes:
Zenniedon't know about the sleepingbag and rolling sorry. Greer doesn't move much yet and DS co-slept so I have no idea.
Well better hang out the washing before going to pick up DS.

Hehehe Grubi Ive turned into a home body too!
So much so that for things I buy off ebay, I'd rather pay postage than venture out to get them!
That being said, its mainly because Benjamin is only awake for about 2 hours in the middle of the day and once you factor is mucking around with a bottle...well its down to an hour!
Too much effort after the time it takes to get out of the house and into the car anyway!!!

I must message Sharon and see how they are all getting on, Poor Oliver ended up sick too so she has her hands full with a house full of sickies!

I think I should not venture out ever again after today!!!
We made the mistake of going to Pixifotos for a family photo session. They were half an hour or more late for the appointment, needless to say DS had lost his tolerance by then and even the bribs weren't going to help much. He then smashed his foot with the ladder that they had for the photos - blood everywhere as he hit the toe nail. Eventually got him settled enough to have photos and by then Greer was read for a feed and sleep. Only got the family photo and maybe 3 good shots of her before she chucked it too. We got our photos, but the nightmare time out as we were there for an hour and a half before we got out of PIxifotos - had lunch that took an hour with nightmare DS and then we viewed the photos and made our selection which was a task as DS wanted to go back in for photos then - all up two and a half hours later we came home.
DH just kept saying the kids will be dead before I get home from the dentist tomorrow. 6 hours in a dentist chair - not looking forward to it.

Hi Ladies - hope everyone is getting over the winter coughs and colds.

Grubi - what a shame your photo experience was so bad. We had a great time at Pixi and got some great shots (my signature is part of our pixie family photo). You would think that they would be a bit more considerate of making babies wait so long. We had a bad photo experience at another company - they booked us in for a 10 minute time slot and Charlotte wasn't really into it. At the end of the time, she said "we've run out of time - that will have to do" - it takes more than 10 minutes for Charlotte to get comfortable in a new environment with a new person shoving things in her face. Will I be spending lots of money there? I don't think so - just give me my free one!

BW - I went through exactly the same thing with Charlotte. She was getting so tired in the evenings and I ended up giving her, her last feed at 5pm and in bed by 6pm - which often meant that DH didn't even get to see her (he leaves for work before she is up). Then when he came home early and I would suggest he give her a bath, he would want to have a beer/shower/watch the news etc first. Everything was still on his own timeframe. He said to me that when she was older, she wouldn't remember not doing anything with him anyway. I just said that he will realise that he has not bonded with her, when she is a bit older and falls older and runs straight past him to come to me for a cuddle - that sure put a rocket up him and he is great with her now. But even with the really early bed time - she would still sleep through until 5am at the earliest. As of the last couple of weeks though, her early bedtime has turned into a late nap (ending about 6.30pm) and we have a lot more evening time with her until she goes to bed about 7.30pm.

Zennie - I don't think the sleeping bag alone will stop them rolling. Charlotte is in a sleeping bag but then I still wrap her too. She is not a roller and stays perfectly still all night. I would suggest wrap her and tuck her in nice and tight and she should stay still.

Well, Charlotte is going really well - she moved into a forward facing car seat on the weekend. Hit the magic 8 kg and was so over the capsule - we had a screaming match every time she had to get in. She has caught DH's cold so has a nasty cough which wakes her up all day and night. We are looking forward to starting swimming lessons (when her cold goes) and starting solids in the next few weeks. I can't believe that she is nearly 5 months old - where does the time go?

I'm BACK TG

Morning all...

How is everyone doing in here? I seems very quite, I was gone for 9 days and you can only do 3 pages worth of chatting.

Well trip was ok, I didn't see my mother doing that bad however I wont be there for her surgery on this Thursday. She wanted me to cancel my flight home and change it until next week. There was NO way I was going to do that. I had had enough on day 5.

I took kids to the Zoo, (3hr Drive) and my trusty GPS got me there, only to find there was NO parking. They are updating there parking lot to a 3 levels. So I had to park 2 streets away and walk back. could of KILLED DS in the first hr of getting there. But after that he calmed down. Got lots of photos, I took around 900 just at zoo. I haven't gone back through and delete alot yet, laptop crashed on me, so I went and brought a new on. Now I just have to clean off everything on new one and upload photo programs. This laptop is for the sole use of photos. Will send old one into to get wiped and cleaned. I think it go virus.

Did a million other things, went THROUGH the city, to get to sydeny aquarium. Couldn't find parking, then got lost, and had to pay a taxi to get me back there. Dam GPS was taking me wrong way (so I thought). Got some photos still haven't looked at them. But we had out photo taken with animals at the zoo, and got some photo shopped photos.

Anyway I am home...

I want to start a worm farm and get some chocks. But when I told DH about it, he just said NO, I think becasue of the dogs. I wasn't going to be a DIY job, I was going to buy one already made, and put tent pegs in ground so can't move... Sod him, he can go and buy the same new tools all the time, so tonight we are going to have it out. Wish me luck.

Wyatt was such a good baby, sit sleep his 7-8hrs every night. He had to sleep in his pram. DS was ok, and DD was ok. But will never travel that far away again with only me, agiasnt them. I put wyatt in Ergo so I could be hands free at airport, and they secuirty made me take him off to go through check point. Was so peed at that... No one bothered to help me at all. Not even flight attendants.

Well I better get going. Just thought I would let you all know I am ALIVE and back ONLINE..

Russell dosnt roll in his sleep or anything but during the day he is constanly on his belly or playing with his feet. he only needs 2 seconds to go back to front but has not got the hang of the fron to back yet and gets frustated. he also insists on sitting up and standing, and non-cooperaion is rewarded with a hearty ear peircing squeal. cant wait for him to find his feet, ill be in all sorts of trouble then

Tarnee the experience was bad, but the photos we got were great, we ordered 6 of the photos that they took, plus the free one. Most of them were of DS as it happened.

Seeing his toe today, he cut a huge chuck of the skin on the side of his 3rd toe - it looks so sore. Daycare thought he did it there today, so I had to apologise for not telling them when I dropped him off.

Sarah glad your trip wasn't too bad. Hope the discussions with DH go well and look forward to seeing some photos.

Nettie thanks for the comment on the photo of Greer.

Sharon hope you are coping and that everyone is getting better.

As for my day of 5 hours in the dentist chair, it all went really well, had to stop myself from panicking when I couldn't open my mouth when they put the temporary teeth in. Must say they look swish. It really didn't hurt with the numbing of the gums. Only bit was thinking... once this is started I can't go back. Dentist got the work done by the better dental technicians which was going to cost me an extra $10k for no extra charge, which is pretty good for me. Now for the 32 days of temporary teeth before the real deal is done. Best bit is that DH and kids survived Mum's absence for 5 and a half hours.

Hi all,

Sometimes i think this is all really just crap. Luke is sick and DH took 2 days off work to look after him which was great. I have a scheduled flex tomorrow and guess when Luke decides to sleep all day and be awake all night?? The night before the day I have off. I am just getting so tired of DH getting plenty of sleep and time to himself when I get none. I think I am going a little crazy. I don't think I have had any time to myself since my mum went OS - and that was in the first week in July. Since then I have either been at work or looking after Luke or looking after Luke and DH. When is it my time???

I am sorry I just don't have antything left in me at the moment. Will drop in when I am in a better state of mind,

Afternoon all,

Grubi: not good having to sit for that long. However BOUNS on saving sum cash on the teeth... How was DH and kids when you got home?
* Oh I am a home body too. It is just easier to stay at home, and now that the days are starting to get nicer I will kick DS out in back yard to play. Wyatt can either sleep in house or hin pram outside.
* havent started that fight about having chocks intown yet. He just totally against it. But tough, we have some much waste and chock would eat the waste and produce an egg. At least I'll be getting sumithing for my waste.

Shell: That is no good? Does DH work as well as you? Maybe you could tell DH to take luke for a car ride to visit DH's family/friends while you get some rest. But don't do any house work, that is the time for you to sit on cough and get a good movie and come cookies and milk/chips and have some down time for you...
*I can understand where you are at mental though, same here DH family doesn't help and DH is always working or doing extra stuff when he could be at home helping me. Just to even go food shopping would be great but no, I have to drag them all along... Hence why my shopping bill is hugh.

Zennie: That is great news to here russell is rolling both way. My little FAT huffalump still cant. Him fat juicy thighs get in the way. But I do give him some tummy time every day/when I remember.

Tarnee: Wow she is a BIG little girl... Wyatt hasn't his the 8kg mark yet, and he was 10lb when he was born. She must be a good little eater...

Well gotta run, DD has Kung Fu then she has a school ball to go to night, and I have to get some sort of food to take.

Will chat latter on...

Morning all,

Were is everyone? I can tell our little ones are starting to grow up more, and we are not all on here chatting away.

Anyway Wyatt down for his morning nap, Got lots of washing to do since returning home which I much try and do to day but can't be borthered.

Well we are off to the communtiy house today, landon last playgroup session before school holidays start next week then he just at home with his Dista, for 2 weeks. WONDERFUL...

Will pop back in later.

he everybody, i'm back.

We are finally all fit and well apart from lingering coughs and snotty noses. Not really much else to report here as nothing happened as we where all too sick to do anything. Will try and get on again later today for some personals.

Sorry - am MIA for now as I'm doing the Great Down Under Nappy Hunt! It's taking up a lot of my internet/computer time so I haven't had time to post...

All going well here. Liam sometimes only gets up for one night feed now which means DH & I debate over who's turn it is! ;)

I go back to work on 15th Sept although I have a 2 day conference next week to start me off... DH is starting to get a bit nervous about being full-time carer but I know he'll be fine.

Will come back in when I get some time. Hope you're all well :hello:

Sharon: Its great to hear you are all feeling better and hopefully all the left over sniffly will soon disaper soon.

Nettie: What is a Great Down Under Nappy Hunt??? That is good to hear Liam is only waking up once now. You must be getting some much need catch up sleep???
Are you all excited about going back to work???
I love to hear the fact your DH is going to be a stay at home dad... You will have to tell us all how is goes?? Wonder if he will appricate you more for what you do??

Anyway just got new laptop back from service man and can you believe I asked him to take everything off, but basic windows so I can add own programs, and I have lost and extra 10gb of storage space... Not impress I will be telling him to come back and do it again.

Anyway I better go Wyatt is starting to grizzle it must be bath time, boobie and bed...
Then same except boobie for me.

Night all

Sarah - the GDUNH is basically a treasure hunt on baby or nappy related websites. There's a list of sites and they've all hidden a picture (icon) in their webpage somewhere and you have to find them... You can win prizes and everything!

Just go to diaperdecisions dot com and click the link on the left to 'Great Down Under Nappy Hunt' - NOT the GDU 'Diaper' hunt - that's the american one!

I'm kinda excited about going back to work as I like my job and the people there so it will be nice to get back into it - but I'll miss my little man like crazy!

Sarah I'd been MIA as DH was on holiday's this week so we were spending time together - god forbid!
Shellbell:hug: Been where you are - know exactly how you feel about DH and my time. I often gripe about the same issue, even now. I got myself a book recently that I have managed to take four really good pieces of advise out of and I'd like to share as they will make a big difference, especially if you can stick with them. The first is the most important and I will have to come back with more details some time soon - just no time right now, being Father's Day.
1. Get over it! DH's will never get it they have a different role to Mummy.
2. Every day you have must do's like get out of bed, have a shower, feed Luke - add to the must do list "My Time" - eliminate the option of not doing it and add it to your schedule. This might be like Sarah said leaving the dishes and taking 15 minutes to read a book or do some scrapbooking.

3. Arrange with DH for you to have at least an hour a week when you get to do something kid free. Especially if he gets that "luxury" regularly, sit down and explain how you'd like to be able to go to the gym or for drinks - whatever it is that he does and your equivalent (hope that makes sense) Explain that this is a give and take relationship and you give him the chance to have his time, so all you ask for is 1 hour a week for you.
4. Make sure you are your DH's Girlfriend. Make sure you act the way you did before children, make the time to compliment him or touch him as you pass in the hall, give him hugs or kisses as he leaves in the morning. If you used to leave love notes in his briefcase start doing it again. Bring back the intimacy.
There is heaps more in the book and when I have the time I might enlarge on point 1 as it is the most important part.

Sharon Glad you are all well.
Nettie Goodluck with the hunt.

Morning all,

Not alot going on of late???

WEll weekend is over and school holidays are here... YAY...

WE got to spend some time with DH for father's day yesterday. Also I think I WON the debate regarind having some chock in town. So now all I have to do is go and get hen house/cage and then go and get my chocks. I saved up all my scrap food yesterday and get we are wastefull. I will have sum healthy chocks.

WEll I am tring to catch up still, weather is wonderful today, so plenty of washing to be done.

Has everyone moved there babies over to the cot yet? My huffalump is still in bassenette, DH said I could leave him there until he has no more room left, which there is hardly any room. I just dred getting up during night and feeding him in his room. It has to be done.

Also who is giving baby food yet? Where are you planning to start. Wyatt doesn't need it, he's sleeping well enough during night, only wakes around 3-4 for a quick top up of boobie then straight back to bed. Awake at 6-6:30am.

Anyway better hang this washing out. Will be back later to ramt on about nothing...

ARGH this is driving me insane!!!

Benjamin has a problem that just keeps taking us round and round in circles...
He sleeps on his tummy and has a dummy.
But when going to sleep, he turns his head from side to side (which we call snuffling) and as a result his dummy falls out, gets flung sideways...you name it...

We decided that now (as its getting worse) is a good time to get rid of his dummy, as his day sleeps are getting shorter, and he's getting grumpier by the day I looked up the plantley gentle removal technique as we'd like to avoid the whole controlled crying if we can..however, I can't get him to stay still with his dummy in long enough to be able to implement the gentle removal because he keeps snuffling the dummy out, but gets more upset by the second cause its not there, I end up trying to hold it in place while he frantically turns from side to side, its ridiculous!!

Ive tried letting him sleep with one, or both arms out, but that doesn't help as they randomly flap around and keep him awake.
If I put him to bed wrapped and on his back, 2 things happen...1, he talks to the shadows, the walls, the window, the curtains (and for all I know, the voices in his head) and doesn't sleep, and 2, the dummy falls out and he gets upset!

Any ideas?????

BW: have you tried a dummy chain? I know he can't use it while he is wrapped up or put it back in his own mouth, but just in case you are losing it down the side of the cot.
Other wise I can't really help, DD and Wyatt havent had a dummy, yet DS1 we gave him one when he was 7 months old to help himself settle off to sleep. before that I was rocking him to sleep.

Good luck with it, but it sounds as though you might have to give the CC ago it all else fails.

Sorry BW - I'm no help there. Liam sleeps on his back and we don't have any issues with the dummy that way...

Went to 'Cleft clinic' today and they just asked about his feeding etc and we were told that we could try him on solids from 5 months but to make it quite runny to begin with (especially because of the cleft). We're going back in December to schedule the surgery for March-ish... Liam was fabulous again today - he's a real trooper, even when he's overtired, overstimilated and generally stuffed around with. What a little man!

Nettie: That sounds really good... Are you going to start him on food when his is 5 months or wait?
DS1 had an op on his neck when he was just two and it was the WORST 2hrs of my life waiting for him to come out of sugery. I hope all goes well when he goes in next year. Liam will almost be 1 by then shouldn't he???

Does anyone happen to know if anything like this (Bj's "special" problem) is mentioned in NCSS?
I don't have a copy, I just managed to find the dummy section on the internet (in short).

Interestingly, I posted that....did the evening routine with him (although bathtime was extremely short...even though the water was the right temp etc, about 30 seconds after laying in the bath, he got hysterical...as in 0-100 in 0.1 seconds...it was weird), put him into bed, one head snuffle, I plucked his dummy out and he turned his head but didnt wake...I've been in his room doing stuff, and every now and then I hear him sorta suckling on his tongue (I assume) but he's still asleep.
He was dog tired though!

Nettie, good news about Liam....BJ is the same (except the last few days...) we can do anything with him and he smiles his way through it!

Was just thinking a terrible thought....last time BJ acted like this, he had a temp by midnight and was in hospital with a UTI 2 days later....he doesn't have a temp at the moment, been checking all day....but I'll be watching tomorrow...cause last time, he was festy monday, temp tuesday night, hospital thursday......

BW: I Don't know what NCSS is so again I am unable to help...
It sounds as though you are doing the right things, the only other thing I could suggest is to rock him to sleep then put him into bed. Then after a time put him into his bed awake so he will learn to drif off.

I was blissed with Wyatt, he is very happy can stay up for 4 hrs, but if I'm at home he can only last 1 1/2 -2hrs which is great. Then I make him go for a sleep. Once I notice that tired grizzle and look at clock and think when he woke up, I will wrap him up TIGHT then give him his boobie, while I am sitting in rocking chair, and he slowly started to drift off, and then I get up and put him into bed half away and tell him to go to sleep, and he seems too.

Which is almost bedtime, now. Better feed the other animals then get bath ready then wack them all in bed...

I might pop back in as I am waiting on an item of ebay to finish.

Bj used to be great with sleep, but I have a feeling he is actually coming down with something.
Usually, I just wrap him up, put him into bed, dummy in and walk out...2-4 hours later he wakes.

Its just the past few days that he's been a bit funny...his morning one is still normally good, but arvo is a bit crappy, and night time and re-settling.

Given the reaction he had to the bath (thinking back he cried about when it would have filled up his ears...) I have a feeling that perhaps there might be an ear infection brewing....

he's stirred 3 times since I put him to bed and settled himself each time so far.....

bugger, he woke (at 8:20), gave him a bottle, he had 100ml (he hadn't finished his bedtime one when I put him to bed, but he wasn't drinking it and was ready for sleep so....) and has re-settled (did the plately technique again, and he woke once about 5 minutes ago, but settled again) we shall see...

I just said in the other thread if I cant get this to work this week cause of the whole head snuffle thing, I'm gonna do a total sleeptime change no more wrap, bottle, tummy and dummy....it'll be sleeping bag/grobag, bottle, back, and taggie.


Oh and Sarah NCSS is the No Cry Sleep Solution (a book)

Really not able to spend time here, just popping in quickly to explain that i am not here largely due to being in constant pain with my temporary teeth having been place last Wednesday, since Friday I've had issues and the dentist is away until Monday so I'm complaining to anyone who will listen as I am living off panadol and nurofen - just like c-section recovery alternating every 4 hours as the pain in my upper jaw is a killer. Poor kids are copping it or missing out because i'm over my pain threshold.

It seems Greer is teething and poor Logan has had to amuse himself all day.

Grubi: Am so sorry to hear you are in pain again... I had a tooth ace when I was prg with DS1 and it wasn't anyway as near as bad experience as you have gone through. You must be feeling tired. Have you tried the new panadol or nurofen with codean in it? It is stronger then the normal stuff, but am guessing you would know...
*When you are feeling better just tell Logan it's not you snapping at him it is the pain you are in, and it will all be over soon. See if he understands if not, you can always buy him something to make up for it, and I am sure he will forgive you.
*I thought there might be something very wrong for you not to be on BB at least once a day, beside weekends...
I hope you either get pumped full of numb stuff or get good pain relif drugs SOON.


Everyone ok here today. I had a GF kids she is down bad with flu, her kids are teenages and you would swear they need to be amused every moment on the day. Were my children I can just kick them out side or send up to their rooms and they will find some thing to amuse them self with.

Any way I got to go Wyatt is stirring.

hi all
Ugh Grubi you poor Darling, that sucks that you're in pain!
Is it worth going to a Dr and explaining the situation and getting some panadiene forte or something?
And at the risk of sounding dumb, does something like Bonjella help?
I remember having teeth issues as a child and mum would give me orased gel (its very yummy actually, worth taking just for the flavour!) its very good at numbing site pain.

Over here in the land of dummy removal, Benjamin has done quite well (very proud), woke again at 11:30pm, then after having his dummy for a minute, I took it back and heard nothing til 5am (not bad!), then we re-settled til 6am, then he got hungry (I've since figured out), and needed to keep the dummy til 7:30am (tomorrow I may feed him then put him back to bed), morning sleep needed a couple of returns, then I woke him to take him to the Dr (all clear there, last nights bath episode has been put down to his teething causing sore ears which were agrivated by the water, tonight we kept his head above water and all was well).
Arvo sleep was great, went down at 2:15, after dummy removal, slept til 4:15 then re-settled with dummy (then removed), I woke him at 5 to start the night routine, he finally went to sleep at 7:30pm (would have been 6:15 if I'd let him keep the dummy!), stirred and re-settled himself once, and I just went in before to help him settle, he had his dummy for one minute then I plucked it out, he moved a tad then nothing!

He also impressed me today by falling asleep in the car without crying (which usually resulted in him having the dummy), he was playing with his linkadoos one minute, and the next he was out to it....

alittlegrubi sorry to hear you are in so much pain with your teeth, a normal toothache is bad enough to have to deal with, hope you got in to see your dentist when he came back.
sarah teenagers are awful, they need more entertaining than younger kids as they lose their ability (and want) to role play and just play with toys, they seem to need all the gadgets and gizmo's to keep them occupied.
BabyWrangler sounds like BJ is doing really well with the dummy removal thing, how does it work, do you just let them have it for 1 minute and then take it away? Oliver only really has his for his day sleeps and for when he first goes to bed at night, after his sneaky feed he doesn't have it again then unless I want him to go back to sleep in the early hours of the morning instead of getting up to give him a bottle LOL

Things are hectic around here, my eldest is back living with us (sleeping on mattress in office) the only thing is he sold his car because he blew the head gasket and couldn't be bothered saving to get it fixed so he has no car which means I have to drive him to work at 5am every morning, it is so draining, the other day while I was going to pick Jordan up from school I nearly fell asleep at the wheel, I had one of those 'micro sleeps' and ended up on the other side of the road, lucky for me it was a quiet country road with hardly any other cars, could have been worse though, so while he can, DH has been taking Jordan to school so that I can maybe get another hours sleep in the morning.

My parent's have finally moved to Tasmania, they headed off on Sunday morning, and got there early Tuesday morning, and they can move into their new home on Friday. Even though I didn't really see them much, the fact that they are so far away is quite sad as I won't be able to just 'pop in' for a cuppa anymore.

Thanks everyone, feeling a bit better today, took my last nurofen 5 and a half hours ago and whilst I still have some dull pain in my cheekbone/jaw it is bareable. I will be taking another one shortly, but I wanted to see if it was easing up or not so I can tell the dentist on Monday.

Sarah I actually told Logan at the start of the day Mummy was in pain and she wasn't going to be very nice today. He was really good for most of the day. Must have been tired as he fell asleep on the lounge an hour earlier than when we usually drag him off to bed. I've also been busy lately with christening details. Check invite background in photos.

Sharon Just as I was starting to get sleep these pains wake me every 4 hours - worse than a baby :lol: I hope you get enough sleep and take care of yourself too.

BW I know Greer does the snuffling thing too, but she sleeps on her back and has no dummy, she also does the tongue suck, but I can't suggest anything for BJs special situation, but it sounds like you have everything under control.

Off for my drugs now.:D

I had a lightbulb moment, as Oprah would put it....after trying to do the pantley technique thing in BJ's cot...it suddenly clicked as to why you do it in a chair then put him into bed when he's not quite asleep....DUH SHELLEY!
We don't want him associating his dummy with sleep anymore, so why give it to him in is cot....god I'm soooo dumb sometimes!
So from now on, our bed routine has been modified to include cuddles (with dummy) in the chair til he's dopey, take the dummy out as per pantley technique, another minute or two of snuggles, then nice quiet settled boy gets put into bed...I did it tonight, and after 25 minutes (yeah yeah big woop!) not a peep!

We shall see....besides, its a bucket load more comfy from 2-30 til 5-30 in the rocking chair than kneeling on the floor beside the cot!!!

I'll pop back later for personals (least I'll try!)

Evening all,

Just a quick one... Nothing to do with human baby...

Need to rant 'cos when DH gets home I know it all going to be my fault.
I went to farm this afternoon to get some more firewood. Then FIL comes down to tell me he hasn't see my white horse (sookey) for the last few day, and thought it odd that he seen the other but not him. I said I will go up and check on him. Got up there and he is just gotten up and his was limping, he had some rope around his legs which had cut into him. Now this is a bad part and it is my fault, it must have been there for at least 5-7 days. It had cut into his leg bad.

So ran back to car told DD to throw me my mobile out to me. Called vet told her to come ASAP and that I was up in the very far back paddock. And that I would try and get him down to stock yard at the front of the property.
Options:
1. Leave All kids are in car, and walk horse down to stock yard about 1km. Then walk all the way back up the hill to get kids.
2. Drive kids down to stock yard and let them wait there until I catch horses and took sookey down to stock yard.
3. Let DD drive down following us. (She has driven around farm before but never without me in the car.)
4. Had DD walk horse down, but she might get hurt from other horse trying to protect him.
So I took options 3. So I told her to put in 1 and slowly put her foot on the break every now and then. And she was not to over take me, she did a dam good job, it was a open paddock no trees or drops, so they werent in an danager.
Got down to work shed and vet their but keep in mind the other 3 horse decided to run ahead of me, front gate wide open. So I was trying not to spook them, I wanted them to some back so I could run and shut front gate. Then took Sookey down to stock yard, then ran/walked half way back up, as I told DD to wait at the coner of entrance.
Anyway horse has been seen to by a vet, if I knew sooner I would have fixed it. I am not a person who would let an animal suffer intentily. Mind you all the time, FIL is over in another paddock driving tractor. Didn't bother to come over and offer help once. But came down for a stick beak when Vet was there. Just to make sure it wasn't a piece of wire he had left in paddock.
So now I have to change dress every day and keep him in stock yard. Vet said it will heal in about 8-12 weeks and for the next 2 weeks I will have to re-dress it every day then every few week after that, along with given him a needle every day. It will also leave a nasty scar on his leg. Might have to knock him out to have a good look at leg next week
You know what is gong to be the killer. Not the vet bill, the smell of his legs. It's all infected and pussie. It's gross... I was near throwing up today when I smelt it TMI.. Anyway I know DH is going to blame me, as I went to farm on sunday and I didn't bother to check him then. If I had it might not have gotten so bad. I am such an idot. But it's not always easy when I have 3 kids to drag after me to do these things. However that is no excuise.

I'm a bad owner. I bet DH is Deff going to say NO to having chook now.
I feel a little better but guilt is starting to kick in now.

Well....after more and more diminished sleep, and Benjamin getting festy even when he had the dummy, we have abandoned Operation No More Dummy.
It was becoming harder and harder to settle him in bed, and I was spending up to an hour patting him, which was basically me taking away the dummy, and replacing it with patting....we will just deal with the snuffling and work towards him being in a grobag and not wrapped so he can find the dummy himself....We tried for long enough to realise it wasnt working.

BW - I was watching with interest to see if it worked cause we have been thinking about how to get rid of the dummy with Charlotte too. I don't even think I will try.

There was one sleep about a month ago where her dummy had accidentally got stuck in the front loader washing machine and she was completely distraught - no matter what I did she would not settle. Yet, there are other sleeps where she just nods off without it (in the car/pram and in the cot when it has popped out and she has been talking to herself). I figure that she is OK with it - she only uses it to go to sleep so doesn't get around with it in her mouth all the time and it is not like they will be going to school and have a dummy in their mouth!

Charlotte is pretty good usually and I only have to get up at about 3.30am to replace it (even if she has gone to sleep without it). Has been a bit tough the last few weeks cause she has a bad cough and so dummy-return visits have been a bit more frequent.

Don't stress about it - she will grow out of it eventually! I would rather have a quick dummy return to deal with than a lengthy patting routine to do each time like you said.

Oh Tarnee thats exactly what I said to DH, I would rather go in 50 times to put it back in, than spend 3 HOURS trying to settle him (which ended in patting which I swore and made DH swear we would never make BJ rely on!).
ot was so bad last night before we abandoned it that DH was feeding me my dinner while I tried to settle BJ....not good!

Last night he slept (we got him up for a play in the end after I spent an hour settling him...for a 10minute nap!) from 9:30 til 4:30....oh hang on, I re-settled at 10:00 cause he had a bubble thats right...but still thats a decent stretch....today will be screwed up cause we are out at least til 2pm but I don't care!!!

he's struggling more and more to have his hands out (just cant sleep if they are!) so we'll work towards that...at the moment I'm phasing in the grobag and this morning when I went in, he had loosened the wrap enough to get a still wrapped arm out the arm hole, flapping like a little wing...very cute!

Whilst I do see many good ideas in the NCSS book, and I don't discredit it at all...at this stage, it just didnt work for us....what can I say...BJ is a sucker!

Hi everyone on the *other side*!

I do subscribe to this thread to see how you are all going. But I just wanted to say to BW that we are still wrapping and sleeping with a dummy here. Baxter simply will not go to sleep with his arms out, so much so that he even needs his arms tucked down beside him in his pram to have a nap when we are out! He's only fallen asleep twice in his pram with his arms out, a fluke I think.....

I'm not too worried though, he sleeps from 9.00pm til 7.00am with only the occasional dummy return. I'd really like him to be sleeping unwrapped by the time the hot summer arrives.

Anyway, hope you are all going well.

SG
xo

Sounds to me like the dummy returns are just doing what Dr Sears refers to below:"Infants' sleep cycles are shorter [than adults'], lasting 50 to 60 minutes, so they experience a vulnerable period for nightwaking around every hour or even less. As your baby enters this light sleep, if you lay a comforting hand on your baby's back, sing a soothing lullaby, or just be there next to baby if he is in your bed; you can help him get through this light sleep period without waking."
"Nightwaking has developmental benefits. Sleep researchers believe that babies sleep "smarter" than adults do. They theorize that light sleep helps the brain develop because the brain doesn't rest during REM sleep."
"Between three to six months, expect one or two nightwakings. You will also see the period of deep sleep lengthen. The vulnerable periods for nightwaking decrease and babies are able to enter deep sleep more quickly. This is called sleep maturity."

I liked this bit
"An important fact for you to remember is that your baby's sleep habits are more a reflection of your baby's temperament rather than your style of nighttime parenting. And keep in mind that other parents usually exaggerate how long their baby sleeps, as if this were a badge of good parenting, which it isn't. It's not your fault baby wakes up."

I am struggling with the tug of war I'm having in co-sleep/cot sleep. I find it difficult to put her back to sleep in the cot after her 11.30pm sleep, if I do she seems to wake more often than if she co-sleeps. I know I have to be stronger and deal with the resettling better especially for when I return to work.

Sarah No point in feeling guilty now, what is done is done, hope everything is okay and DH didn't give you too hard a time over it.

Shoegal good to see you poke your nose in. Sounds like Baxter is doing well. How did you go with the eye doctor - or is that in the other thread?

Tarnee I agree on the dummy thing, as long as it isn't an all the time soother, let it be.

GTG and get something achieved for the day.