mbear - great point bout the in-laws! ive said just that bout them missing out now but never had i though that its the kids who won't want to see them in the future. i had a great relationship with one set of my grandparents and couldnt wait to see them but they other set, mainly my nana (oh and they lived across the road), i rarely saw her. I saw my pa heaps cause he's come over to our place my not her. tell me why do some people act this way? i thought having grandchildren would be a joy? somepeople just can't help themselves hey!

teena - sorry but happy late 30th...ive been meaning to post it the last couple of times and keep forgetting!