Danni- good luck at sleep school. I really hope you get some answers this time, not to mention some much needed sleep!

Dan - I don't think I ever "graduated" to PND when Izzy was at her worst with reflux/intolerances issues, but I was incredibly depressed (got an off the charts score on that multi choice PND test CHN give you). I was incredibly miserable, exhausted, very teary (or angry or both), helpless, hopeless and just basically over it all. I didn't have any of those feelings of self harm or harm towards Iz, and I was pretty confident in myself that the reason I was feeling so crap was because of the specific situation - how much pain Izzy was in and how useless I was feeling at dealing with it and making it better for her. Life started getting a lot rosier when her life got rosier. I'm now ashamed to admit that I was one of those women that was scornful of SAHM that complained about being exhausted, overworked, unable to get things done etc. Now that I am one I realise it is the hardest, most emotionally drainining job I've ever done (and I've had more than my share of jobs with 90+ hour weeks). Life (although incredibly rewarding at times) seems to be just one big long struggle to achieve the simplest thing. Can't tell you how thrilled I was yesterday when I finally managed to make a cake using the food processor I got for my birthday last year. Ridiculous but true. Anyway, enough crap about me. You. You haven't given any indications in the past that you're not coping (any more than the rest of us don't on any given day) but only you know if that's because you were holding it in or not. I'd put money on you just being completely exhausted (and hey, who wouldn't spit it after a few days with the IL's???) but like Ash said, if you're at all concerned or you have any feelings of self harm or of harming Livvy, then please go and see someone. If its any consolation, I've been going through the same sort of thing with Izzy at nights off and on for a few weeks now (little minx is actually holding her arms out for me to cuddle her now when she's in her daddy's arms!!), and it so far seems to have started a bit before a tooth has come through, and then gone away and come back after its been through for a couple of days. Its not for nothing sleep deprivation is used as a form of torture. Can you kick Dave out of bed for the next few nights to deal with Livvy when she's grumbling? I know he has to work during the day, but a few nights in a row won't kill him and it will do you the world of good.

Michelle - yay on your upgrade but poo on your DH. I think its a genetic thing that they just don't get how much we do during the day, and how their day shouldn't end just because they leave the office/workshop/farm yard or whatever. Geez. Wouldn't it be nice if we could work a 10 hour day, 5 days a week and that's it???

Kirsten - sounds like your photo shoots went really well. I have wondered in the past what sort of photos you would have of a newborn - one of the reasons I haven't had any professional ones of Izzy done yet (oh yeah, that and the $1,000 fee!!). Would love to pick your brain about MCNs. Will PM you if that's ok. As for Mia not rolling over yet, I really wouldn't be worried about it. Izzy has only just over the last week got the hang of it, and she's a few weeks older than Mia. Given they're both reflux girls I've been told its really common, and that its not a concern if they even completely miss the whole tummy time/rolling stage. In fact, I wish Izzy had - she now will roll over back to front in her cot and can't get herself back. She managed to also spin 180 degrees and roll the other day so she had her head under her sheets. It was very scary to find her that way. Needless to say, grobags have come out for day naps too now.

Tan - I reckon you've definitely got a bit of sleep deprivation caught up with you with that little girl of yours keeping you up late. I'm not sure if its better to never have them sleep through or to have them sleep through (and get used to it), only to stop doing it? Try to take it easy for a few days and see if you can get a bit of energy back. I have couch days too (although I get to blame them on being pregnant ) and I think they're great - lazy days at home playing with Izzy will make you feel like a new mummy again. Good luck with your business venture. I"m sure you'll do brilliantly - hey, you might end up one of those multi-millionaire mummies we see on Oprah one day with their "now why didn't I think of that" inventions!!

Kelly - great idea to stay at your mum's and catch up on sleep. We're off to a wedding on Sunday and my mum is staying overnight (first time ever) and given her bedroom and Izzy's are both upstairs, and ours is downstairs, I'm looking forward to the same thing!!

Ok. After that epic novel I hope I've covered everyone. Things here are up and down. Izzy will be either absolutely brilliant - a happy and content little bub or she's a whingy, clingy monster that sends me a bit nuts I think. I know its because her teeth are giving her hell (shes had the brightest red cheeks for two days now so I'm wondering if there's another one coming through), but sometimes I really do feel the need to put her on her mat and just walk away for a minute. I know its absolutely unforgiveable, but there are times I can understand why mums lose it with their bubs. She's hardly eating anything, lucky to get 500mls down her in a day, sleeping badly at nights, and only sleeping during the day if I rock her to sleep in my arms first. I've reached the point where I desperately need some time on my own to do ANYTHING but I just don't feel I can leave her with anyone the way she's behaving at the moment (bit worried about Mum having her for hours on her own on the weekend). Oh well. That's the end of my whinge. Maybe we should all pick up our bags and head out the front door, telling our sometimes unthoughtful, selfish, unreasonable men that the kids are all theirs for the day, as well as the housework, washing, cooking and shopping. Ooooh, now wouldn't that be fun ?!?!?!

Happy sleeping bubbies. All your mummies love you lots but are really tired and need a night off.