This afternoon I'm finding patting Maya to sleep helps her settle quickly.. but then she wakes every half hour! So it feels like a choice of spending half an hour to rock her to sleep and then she'll sleep for a while.. or get her to sleep quickly but then constantly resettle. Though I think the problem is that she's waking up on her side and she's only ever slept on her back.. but I don't know if there's a way I can get her from her side to her back.

belfie - How'd you go last night with X? Maya woke at 1.30am after going to bed at 10pm! Then woke next at 6am. But she stayed awake for an hour and a half at 1.30!

Amanda - Good to hear the mastitis didn't develop.

kuraiza - When Maya was a newborn I was often up for ages trying to resettle her, but then she got quicker and quicker at settling. Even to the point that during the night I could put her down awake and she'd go to sleep. So I thought I was making great progress even though I still had to rock her to sleep during the day. (though the day sleep rocking wasn't taking as long as it used to). Now it's like any progress she made is totally out of the window and I'm back to the start again! Taking ages to rock her to sleep during the day and at night. Oh and I also have heaps of trouble getting to sleep.. so when I go to bed it takes me an hour normally to fall asleep - sometimes less or more. So two hours awake = 3 hours awake really for me.

As for her going to bed late.. I think that routine developed early on and now I don't know how to change it?! Cos it effects all her day sleeps too. So my typical day starting with night time (I don't have any sort of routine really which is probably very bad but I find it hard to keep to any routine the minute I leave the house!):
- M goes to bed for the night between 9pm and 10pm. Then I go to bed around 11pm - midnight. I imagine every else probably also going to bed about an hour or two after bubs.
- M wakes a couple of times but sleeps till around 9am - 10am (sometimes she's up for a little while at wake times, other times a long time and sometimes straight back to sleep so length of sleep varies). But this is probably really the same as those babies going to bed at 7pm and getting up at 6 - 7am.. just pushed out later.
- Then she has a late morning/early afternoon nap and another nap in the late afternoon usually waking from this nap around 6pmish. Hence.. I can't really get her into bed at 6.30pm after waking at 5.30-6pm.

I think my 'routine' is probably similar to everyone's but pushed out later. Which I don't mind in some ways cos I am NOT a morning person and I don't feel tired in the evenings. But it makes it hard to get to any appointments in the morning and sometimes Maya will wake somewhere between 5 and 7 am and not go back to sleep.. which means I have only had a very short amount of sleep. The other problem I see is that she's often up from 6ish till 9-10ish which I know is too long but I find it hard to get her into bed earlier.

When you say that Jude crashes what do you mean by that? Does he just fall asleep? My other problem is that I have never ever been able to see any tired signs from Maya.. so I go by the time she's up for. I try and put her down after 1 1/2 to 2 hours up time. Also Maya wakes at the slightest noise or if I touch her at all. Actually I think if Maya had a choice she'd stay up all day/night long if she could.

Question: What time usually do all your babies wake from their last naps of the day?

Anyway, I should stop there before I ramble on too much more.. Did anyone make it to the end of this post.