Babies born September 1st-15th 2008 #4

I'm still around,
Mel sorry to hear things turned out this way, it sounded so promising..and your mum having to leave now, just makes it harder. I thought I read in anorther post the baby is going to be called Eli??? am I going insane??

Niamh, hope th ething on your nose is nothing, but great that it is coming off now, so many people wait??? Big DD is moving home for 10 weeks so she can help me set up a FB page, how often I will update who knows but at least its a start.

Kerry, have it done (imms late arvo) he will sleep through the worst of it, I must get Poppy done before bubs arrives..

Donna hope all is well all the clothes are rewashed ready to go, thanks so much again.

Ezymay, terrible 2's already DS did that, then he was pretty good when the other kids were goign through it.
Lee hope baby Flynn is doing well, as well as Remy and your big kids, I guess you are run off your feet.
Hi to the rest of you girls, hope all is well???
I really thought with this baby i would go early, being so busy with school/ kindy runs and Poppy running around, I still have 2 weeks to go but it feels like it is never going to happen.. I feel pretty good just keen to meet this special princess and a bit worried about her. I had a meltdown inthe docs office today and pretty much stormed out in tears, so embrassing!!! He sees it all as B&W I see the grey areas, he views it as VBAC or CS??? I want to hedge my bets, I don't want to put bubs health or mine at risk by going with a VBAC that is'nt working out amd I'm not keen to CS..if I VBAC he will leave me to go 10 days overdue which could be around 15 days cause they are using a later EDD..I am not keen on that, getting a bit far over for my liking, if I elect to CS he wants to do it 2 weeks before, whcih woud be next week by their dates. He is'nt supportive of the VBAC but will go with it as long as I am prepared to take the risk??? He loves to tell me all the things that can and do go wrong and scare the s*** out of me and is sending me for a scan to see how big the baby is!!! Iguess he is hoping she is big and then I don't have the option. I kind of thought I would labour for a few hours and have a good idea of how things were going by then eg: progress or not, appasrently that won't be my call he is the specialist and he will decide if I am truely in labour and if I need to CS or not, if things are slow he can't see a reason not to wait an extra 4 hours or so to ssee how things are going..as far as I can see, going by my other labours it is either progressing or not. With Poppy I was 2 cms at 7pm and 3cm at 4am when I had the CS by then my cervix was swollen and floppy (I'm not sure what that means excatlly but does'nt sound like anymore was going to happen) with a bad back labour an dlots of blood gushing each contraction apparently he thinks i could ahve waited until the morning for the CS???? I have to say I wonder ifmaybe i should just book and go ahead with the CS just because its easier, but a VBAC would be so much better for me and my family..I want to go home to be with my kids, verus days in hospital and weeks of recovery, i want to pick Poppy up, take the kids to school/kindy get back to my life, not stuck at home for 4 weeks relying on someone else to do everything. I don't want to lay on atable and let someone cut my tummy open while I'm awake even if it is to meet my baby unless it is completely nessecary!!! Oh my gosh this sound s so much like last time... and yes my doc did leave last time and another one has done it to me this time, geez I hate men sometimes!!! Talking about hating men DH still has a sperm count all these months on after his VAS..he is so proud of himself, I told him the other day he won't be feeling so pleased when its a no go zone after baby arrives, I WILL NOT do this again....I love the babies, but not the worries that come with it.
Anyway thats my rant I feel a bit better now, even if I am still confused, anyone want to give birth for me!!!?????

oh Pam that is not nice at all :( What a horrible OB you have :( He is supposed to be helping and supporting you through your VBAC not scaring you!!

Hun pop over to the VBAC threads :) You will find a lot of support over there and it might put your mind at rest regarding your choice :)

And yes bubs is going to be Elijah ;)

missymoo84 I love that name :dance:

Pam I sent you a message as a VBAC girl myself and the crap they scared me with on Eireann so I hope it helps. but I could really tear that OB a whole new ******** as my DH would say!!! what a horrible doctor to put pressure on you like that and stress and scare you as that what he has done. does he not want to be on call and have to make a trip to the hospital if you go yourself. I agree with Mel check out the VBAC section and I hope that helps ease your concerns (hugs) oh and cant wait to see you on facebook it is easy enough you just have to register and set your page to private including pictures.

Kerry, thanks Im sure it wont be, I am watching for the post for my appointment! good luck with the needles :)

Big hugs, Pam. What's with the God-complex that some obs have? I hope everything goes according to YOUR plan, Pam.

Mel, yes, when did you become missymoo84? I'd make a lousy ASIO operative! So, bubs is going to be Elijah? Well, that is uncanny. You and my teacher friend must have very similar tastes!

Niamh, thanks, I'm sure all will go well.

Well, I had to take today off because the woman who normally looks after DS for me was sick herself. It's hard having no back up support person. Just hoping now that DS doesn't come down with gastro too!

fingers crossed for you Kerry. Gastro is a nasty bug. Sucks about your sitter :( Hopefully she is better soon so you can go back to work!

Poor Ash is so sick with a horrible cough and yellow snotfangs (was green so yellow is a better sign right?)

I've always been missymoo84...? LOL Who are you confusing me with?? :)

Thanks everyone.
Niamh, your post was very comforting and I am so glad that I have such supportive frinds in here.

Likewise Kerry and thanks for agreeing to BA for me again.

Missymoo, I have been patroling the VBAC threads for months now which had given me the confidence to try, but it becomes reallyhard when your OB is'nt supportive and very scary..part of it is that it is VBA3C!!! So there is'nt stats and he does'nt like that.


Well things have'nt improved for me..in fact I have become more stresseed, I had a meltdown in th e OB's office call DH an "ask your mother for 6 pence" in front of the OB!!! Tell the OB that he can only see B&W and see the grey areas and basically get up and walk out...I am so embrassed now but at the time it was way to much, did you know that chilbirth is'nt that painful and my pain thersehold possiblly is lower than someone elses??? that it is'nt unreasonable to expect to be left to labour for another 4 hours even though there is no progress, they just need to be sure that I am really in labour??? What the!!!!! Why is it that men are OB's I have been wondering that more often lately and I love how you can be expert when you have never done it, no-one can describe that kind of pain to you..to be honest giving birth anyway scares the living daylights out of me. Because of the unknown factor to my dates the 29th March or the 4th of April I have decided to book a CS for the 6th April, I am still hopin gto go into labour beforehand..but I am not prepared to take the risk of going another week ??? next CS would be the 13th April, a bit far away from my date of 29th March, yes I probablly would go into labour before that...but??? have had a baby 3 weeks overdue and she was quite sick, even though she was monitered showing lots of movements, she had lost weight and looked terrible, DD 4years was 10 days overdue and her placenta had started to breakdown, not pretty. So after all the stress and hoping this little girl would be okay, I don't want to risk it at this stage.
The OB sent me to see the anethesist to talk over some concerns I have..(with DS the spinal block went to high and I struggle with my breathing and swallowing, a very frightening experience that I am not keen to repeat...put it this way you might as well put me in the physc ward, and the major reason why I am reluctant to go straight to CS) with DD I had an epi, while in labour so when a CS was required they just used it, with a bit of local cause I was'nt quite numb enough. Poppy's was by far the best I was able to move my legs and had feeling in my boobs etc, the block was basically thighs to under boobs, which I think was perfect...so I toodle along thinking I am just going to order that!!!!! Wrong!!! not how it works apparently???
This anethesist informs me that it is a rare occurence the breathing problems but it does happen and it can be so bad that you have to have your breathing taken over etc, basically life support and it can last 24hours or so,mine was not so bad cause it only lasted into the hours????? I just wanted to scream Oh my God are you kidding me, I don't want it to happen at all...the last thing I wanted to hear and has only scared, scarred me more.
He then tells me that they will compare what blocks I had and try to find something inbetween, I don't want something inbetween I want to move my legs and be able to breathe, he prefers to give a bit more block than another docs, becuase once surgery starts it can't be topped up, and if you don't have enough it is very painful!!! all they can do is give you local into/around the cut and in the worst case scenario they have to knock you out.
All I can think is that sounds a Hell of a lot better than the other option, I would rather take my chances with less than more. I am praying that i don't get him as nice as he was...I am not keen on his method ( best case scenario it won't kill you..his words...versus a general which can..I"m thinking I won't know I'm dead if i'm asleep, but I would wish i was dead if I could'nt breath /swallow easily for an indefinate period of time.)
If I go into labour and have an epi..this is'nt an issue...the issue is that the pain rrelief might not be enough and you could need local or might have to be knocked out if that does'nt work, again a far better option in my opinion????!!!!
So I come home, feeling very upset and wishing I had'nt seen him, then struggle to sleep waking up about 1am bawling my eyes out, I get up and try and think clearly about what to do next who I need to speak to etc, btu can't find the solution??? All I can think is I am going to beg whoever it is to give me less and not let that happen to me..I am sure I will bond with my girl if I have a general, I have no doubt I will be bawling at that point so they will understand how scary it is for me an dhopefully will take mercy on me.
Anyway hoping for a good nights sleep and labour to start sometime soon or not??? I am so confused!!!

Pam honey you sound so stressed (((HUGS))) I hope you can find a happy place for you self were you are happy and looking forward to this birth what ever way it happens. you need to relax and take a step back and see that those docs give you the worse case as they want us prepared not bloody great when your expecting a baby you are already worried about, still thinking I would like to box that doctor! set your own plan have your CS date then see about getting her to come out by her self . sweep may be some alternative ways may work. she might surprise you and come along her self. I'm hoping so anyway! so are they against inducing you! Ie using the gel or those tablets or are they scaring you with the ''your womb may rupture'' I got that as well a valid concern all the same but rarely happens. Any way ((((HUGEHUGS))) and fair play to you for standing up to him he deserved it, stupid man and don't be :redface: ok keep us posted on how your getting on not long to go and now you need loads of raspberry leaf tea, BD, hot curry, Sweep, acupuncture works (I had that on DS2 went 10 days over!) some herbal remedies and reflexology work as well, oh and if you can go get a nice pregnancy massage so you can relax before the bigday! xxxx

Kerry, I know what you mean having no one around, it can be so hard, I hope your baby sitters gets better and did not pass it on.

missymoo84 :lol: so sorry I think I confused every one with my post , I meanthe name I love the name Elijah :)

Oh Pam u do sound very unhappy. I'm really sorry u aren't feeling supprted by ur care givers. It's rough they aren't listening to ur wants and concerns. Can u try some meditation maybe??? Focus on u and bubs for a few moments and regroup?? Big hugs

Pam hope your feeling better but found this information I have been trying to regulate my cycles and get healthier and was taking evening primrose oil and I was taking it the whole way through my cycle and you are not meant to as it causes womb contractions which I was wondering what the hell was wrong with me:rolleyes: but any way it is good to take at the end stages of pregnancy here is some information on it

Naturally inducing labor: benefits and drawbacks of evening primrose
This article explains the usage of evening primrose oil to induce labor, what evening primrose oil does, and how it should be used.
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Pregnancy can be a joyous and exciting time for a woman, but it can also be a time of uncertainty. Most women have experienced the feeling of wondering if they would actually be pregnant forever. When a due date is approaching or has gone by without any signs of labor, doubts can form in a woman’s mind, especially when her doctor or midwife starts talking about inducing labor. Inducing labor using modern methods such as Pitocin is very common today, but some women prefer to try out a few natural methods before resorting to more invasive practices. There are many herbal methods thought to help bring on and enhance labor, as well as a few folk methods such as taking a bumpy ride in a car or eating spicy foods.

Evening primrose oil is a commonly used method of naturally preparing the body for labor. It does not directly induce labor, as commonly believed. Evening primrose oil acts as a prostaglandin, which ripens and softens the cervix. The ripening of the cervix can help the baby’s head engage deeper into the pelvis, which can help with dilation. Ripening the cervix can cause some of the contractions that start labor. Sometimes, though, these contractions are simply Braxton-Hicks contractions, which help prepare the body for labor, but do not mean you are in active labor yet. Ripening the cervix can help trigger the onset of labor, but it is unlikely that evening primrose oil will bring on labor in a woman whose body is not otherwise ready. Even if you end up having to induce labor, using evening primrose oil in the days and weeks prior to induction can still be beneficial. When the cervix has been ripened and softened, induction has a much higher rate of being successful. The ripening of the cervix may even aid in making labor faster and easier.

Evening primrose oil is a less invasive method of triggering labor, so it can be used earlier in the pregnancy than some other methods. As soon as 34 weeks, evening primrose oil can be taken orally. It is generally recommended to take two 500mg capsules a day until 38 weeks. At that time usage can be increased to 3-4 capsules per day. An entire capsule can also be inserted vaginally. It is best to do this before bed, so the capsule can dissolve while you sleep. You can also use the oil during perineal massage, and massage it on the cervix as well. Applying the oil directly to the cervix will produce the best results, but the ingredients in evening primrose oil can also be absorbed through the external skin or stomach.

The body can be stubborn, and even when using all the natural methods of inducing labor that are available, you still may not go into labor right away. The most important thing you can do is relax, since stress itself can delay or even stall your labor. Unless there is a medical reason to worry, don’t be concerned if your due date has come and gone. Even if it doesn’t seem like it, your body and your baby are preparing for labor to begin.

wish I knew all that before I had Eireann LOL one thing stands out though Stress can delay labour. wish I was there now to get you away and chill you out :D hope that information is some what help ful for you take care xx

ezymay hello how are you doing :D

Thanks girls, stress delaying labour its a wonder that I have ever given birth then!!! :) I am feeling a bit better, one of the girl sin my new date group reminded me that I don't have to agree to anything which made me feel more in control, which I think is part of the problem, I might get preg easily enough, it just the rest that I suck at..so its hard to relax wondering how difficult/painful/long it is going to be verus pretty much knowing that things will progress how they are suposed to and having a bit of an idea that youare'nt going to be in labour for 24hours etc.
I bought EPO today and will use them both ways very shortly and I will be having accupunture next week , every second day, then daily. And hope I at least get the chance to try. The kids are all sick at the moment and Poppy is currently crying and coughing DH is taking care of it, in the hope that I don't get sick as well, so hopefully I last another week and they are over it and DH and I don't get it??? Can only hope!!!!
Thanks again better be off, she is saying Oh, Oh like she is in pain.

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Thanks girls, stress delaying labour its a wonder that I have ever given birth then!!! :) I am feeling a bit better, one of the girl sin my new date group reminded me that I don't have to agree to anything which made me feel more in control, which I think is part of the problem, I might get preg easily enough, it just the rest that I suck at..so its hard to relax wondering how difficult/painful/long it is going to be verus pretty much knowing that things will progress how they are suposed to and having a bit of an idea that youare'nt going to be in labour for 24hours etc.
I bought EPO today and will use them both ways very shortly and I will be having accupunture next week , every second day, then daily. And hope I at least get the chance to try. The kids are all sick at the moment and Poppy is currently crying and coughing DH is taking care of it, in the hope that I don't get sick as well, so hopefully I last another week and they are over it and DH and I don't get it??? Can only hope!!!!
Thanks again better be off, she is saying Oh, Oh like she is in pain.

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delighted your feeling better and in control :clap: yay. that girl is right your body your baby your decision. hope you advoid getting sick as well, im feeling very sick to night and so are the kids yuck!
gld you found that info helpful and good luck you have to keep us updated ((((HUGS))))

Hi girls - just a real quick one (sorry) to say PAM I hope you are going okay, 39+ weeks on your ticker!!! You are on my mind, and I can't wait to hear of the safe arrival of your new princess - take good care of yourself this last week or so, you are done so well to get this far!

Hi to everyone else - have been having a bit of a hard time of late, so am a bit quiet, but hope things settle down soon.

Lee xoxoxo

Hi girls, thanks for allthe support.
Lee hugs!! Hope things get better soon and not hard to fix as well.

Well EDD for me:My pressie as requested an ouchy Stretch and Sweep, had a bit of blood but I don't think it is going to work, she is very settled in there and I reckon she is following the trend of my girls except Poppy and would go well over if allowed too. So I am nervous, sad and anxious but resigned to my CS on the 6th of April at least it is still school holidays here and I will have all my little visitors everyday which will make mummy a bit happier.

:hug: Pam.

Oh wow pam Happy EDD!!! Big hugs please dont give up hope yet, there is still a week to go!!

aww yay Pam. Happy EDD to you :) Have your bubba on Sunday :D Chases birthday and Easter Sunday. Good day :P

Oh, Pam! I keep checking to see your latest news! Looks like your bub must be feeling very cosy and happy, tucked safely inside you. Hope you get your chance for a VBAC and that the S&S helps things along. Big hugs for you - you must feel so very ready to welcome your new little Miss into the world. :comfort:

Hi girls, had accupunture this arvo and now have lost my M plug and have backache, feelign heavy and like things could start happening. although would like to hold off till the morning so if I need to go to surgery in a hurry it is availble to me. ( thats the biggest fear uterine rupture...VBA3C)
If you check in tonight keep an eye out for me, I might need to be chatting in here to keep me sane.

Sounds like things may be progressing there Pam. Will keep an eye out for you

Oooo Pam exciting!!! :)

oh how exciting! Waiting to hear news :D

:cheer: go Pam go, go Pam go.... wishing you all the best and I hope you get the birth that you want and your little princess is safe and well xx

Hi to all, I have been MIA for a while, mainly FBÃ*ng as I have a couple of little followers IYKWIM on BB...

Oh, Pam! Good luck and thinking of you! I have been checking my mobile obsessively! :hooray:

oh Pam so excited for you cant not wait to here, try not to worry about a rupture, happens very rarely and you will know something is not right. believe in your self and trust your body and good luck. yay :dance::dance:

Kerry let me know when ever you do on FB please

Hi to every one else :D

Sorry girls, nothing happened as yet!! bubs is quiet, but midwife (party pooper) reckons I lost the plug cause I had a S&S the day before and i won't go into labour?? strange thing to say when I am overdue anyway?? We will see, I am still hopeful. I feel I have some encourging signs, more plug coming away today, strong BH, bubs quiet, boobies tingly and best of all I feel more positive....if not I will go for my CS on the 6th I am ready to meet my girl.

I promise Kerry i will let you know as soon as I am in labour so you have a heads up and then when she gets here.

Thanks everyone if not before the latest date will be the 6th of April, sometime in the morning.

Hi Pam !!! It sounds to me like your girl is getting very ready to make her appearance - I predict you won't make the 6th! Good luck hun, have been checking on you, I really pray all goes well and your girl is strong and healthy, Lee xoxo

Pamh sounds really good did they check your cervix again any changes is it soft! keep up the EPO and sure soon you will have her in your arms :dance: either way :D


Girls need advice cant put it on facebook cause it's about a friend who is on it, but a good friend is in a very abusive relationship he has cheated on her and gave her clamyidia (sorry spelt that wrong) he slapped her when she found he cheated cause she went off on him, then she admitted that he punched her in the face in PUBLIC with his friends around and she did nothing. he swore he would not do it again, but lately in the past 8 months she has had to leave and go stay in a refuge for women. on Friday gone he flipped and wanted money off her (he lives with her but has no money so he lives off her any wages he gets he drinks or spends in casinos) he knew she had a lot as they are moving house and she had the deposit and first two weeks rent he threatened he would kill her and punch her and called her names .she ran out of her house and I helped her leave him she went to a refuge again. I got involved as I went round to her house with her and helped her pack stuff and we dropped her to the bus. I was to look at two houses for her today but she has text me saying she is coming home to him and she know she is a fool. I'm so angry, I helped her for nothing and got involved in what could potentially of been a dangerous situation. never mind the fact her children now think its normal for men to hit and call their girlfriends names.( her 9 year old said in the car my friend tom hits his girlfriend I told him to stop cause she would leave him!!!!!!)

So now I don't know what to say or do for her, I feel I should say as Little as possible now as it would be anger talking and who am I to judge...

sorry about the rant I'm just so upset for her I was so worried he would hurt her on Friday.

More plug, more loose bowel (sorry TMI) no labour!!!! so my CS date with destiny is looming... I figure I have 28 hours up my sleeve and then I am at the point of no return... Can someone please remind me this is real?? it feels like it has happened way to fast and some kind of freaky dream, except I look at my tummy and there is no denying that a baby is going to pop out any minute.

How can I be in so much denial??? I hope I don't get PND..I just can't imagine holding a newborn again. i kind of know she looks like DD 4years old,but I still can't imagine how that looks or feels, there is no way DH is leaving my side at least for the first night...someone else has to take turns at holding her, just in case I am too freaked out!!!????

Anyway thanks for being such a great support network through my rollercoaster ride, i hope I will be back tomorrow night (most likely will to keep occupied, no point in going to bed too early??) if not CS is scheduled for 8.30am should have bubs by 9.30am, will let Kerry know A.S.A.P> so look for a BA late morn or early arvo..assuming all is well and i feel okay.
(((((((((((((HUGS...xxxx Pam, family and our impending arrival bubba girl)))))))))))))))))))

wow Pam, I bet it does all feel very surreal to you.. wishing you all the best of luck with the birth. Hope you and bubba girl are home safe and sound asap. Take care xxx

Pam, I can't begin to imagine how you must be feeling right now. But I am so very excited for you! Here you are, you are going to have another little one to cherish and love in a matter of hours, a little miracle. You are doing so well, even though a CS is not what you'd hoped, the little girl you will soon be snuggling to your breast will be everything you dreamed. I think you're amazing and so blessed. And I feel lucky that even though I won't be having another little one that I've been able to share some of your journey through your BB posts. I wish you last minute labour vibes, an uneventful delivery (however it happens!) and swift hospital recovery. Much love to you!! :loveshower:

Pam :hug: I can only imagine what you are feeling right now. Not long now til you meet your precious little girl.
I have been stalking BB all weekend to see if bub has arrived. Looking forward to seeng your BA.

Big hugs Pam!! Thanks for sharing your journey with us. So glad u stayed around here to do so. I wish u all the best for the next few days what ever they bring. Can't wait to hear when bubs is here. And Pam being aware u may get pnd again is a positive thing so that if u (touch wood) get sick then you'll be able to get help early if that makes any sense. That's how I always thought about it anyway.

Oh best of luck Pam, I'm sure it feels mad the thoughts of starting all over again and another beautiful little girl to love. you be great don't worry:D thinking of you and cant wait to hear and see pictures :) xxxx

still have today Pam! I hope you are doing all the labour inducing things, walking, curry, raspberry leaf tea, sex sex and more sex LOL

Niamh I don't really have any good advice, but I have been there to some extent. Jamie left bruises on my arms, verbally abused me in front of the kids, and cheated on me. I kept going back to him. Eventually my friends stopped asking how things were. One friend who I cherish so much was so mad at me the last time. I don't think you can do anything, just support her when she needs it and let her know you ARE there to help if you can. It can be frustrating I am sure, but doing it alone is scary and makes us do stupid stuff.

I woke up eventually and now I am so much happier. Hopefully she will one day :)

Thinking of you Pam

Pam, thinking of you tonight and will definitely be thinking of you tomorrow morning. Huge hugs and lots of love. Wheeeeeeeee! Hope Mr Blackduckies takes lots of photos!

Just popping in to say hi and stalk stalk stalk Pam LOL... thinking of you sweet xx

Pam - best of luck sweety for tomorrow (if you're not already in hossie now!!) - quietly stalking you for good news of your little baby girls safe arrival. I hope your emotions settle soon, will be keeping a look out for you hon. Love Lee xoxo

I'm still at home and still waiting!!!
there is no way I am going to win this and get a try this time, i am stupidly reading about all the reasons why i should'nt have a CS..accidently to start with and then followed a link to more..not a good move..????
I am feeling completely ripped off now and that i am making bad choice..but with the lack of support from the medical profession ..at this hospital there really is'nt a choice.
I am so nervous..and will be asking loads of questions before I consent to anything.. I have this awful feeling of dread and helplessness which I imagine will only increase as my mobility is limitied and an overwhelming feeling of depression and that i have failed.. I am seriously worried about PND..I think the strain of not knowing for sure what to expect medically from my baby and if there still is a syndrome attatched is really catching up with me.

Sorry to be a downer, at what should be an exciting time and seems to be for everyone but me.
I hope tomorrow and her birth changes everything for me..I just want to run away, but need to pull my big girl undies on and get my chin up and get her delivered safe into my arms, prolonging it is 'nt going to help anything.
Thnaks for all your support, keep me safe in your thoughts tomorrow morning around 8.30am I will imagine you are all there with me cheering me on..
Hugs Pam. xxxx

Chin-up sweetie pie...
keep us posted...