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Beatrix - I think it's important to take care of yourself so you can be there for your baby. I don't think there's anything wrong with a bottle here or there if it saves your sanity. I've expressed a few times and Logan has happily changed between bottle and breast. It has given me a break.
Thanks DB.
We actually managed to go out for dinner last night. The older girls were at their dads and Zoe slept the whole time.
Is anyone else's baby not a very happy awake baby. I get about 10min of happy non freed time at the most. Will not last any longer then 5-10 min in bouncer or swing.
Yep another here with not much happy awake time. I'm yet to get my swing back from my sister so don't know how she'll go in there (but I'm not confident for a miracle) We get about 3 minutes in the bouncer maybe 5 on the floor. Even being held she gets cranky quickly.
I'm trying really hard to work her out but I'm finding her tricky. DS3 was hard work too didn't sleep fed constantly wouldn't be put down, but if you held him, wore him or put a boob in his mouth he was happy. Georgia is not so easy to appease I hope I can work her out soon, we're getting there slowly I think.
Glad you had a good night out :)
I need to buy some bottles and find my pump I need a bit more sleep I'm hoping I can express enough for a few feeds and hope she'll take a bottle. She flat refuses a dummy I have 5 different ones and still no luck.
Beatrix - Going out to dinner. I'm envious. Our BD1 goes to bed at 6pm and would turn the restaurant upside down if we attempted. I'd love to go out to dinner. We are doing the next best thing tonight - ordering take-out Thai and watching footy on tv. Perfect night in. Kids need to be asleep on time... Fingers crossed.
Logan seems pretty content when awake. He is much more alert now. Looking around and moving his head more. He loves being held. If someone is holding him he will be happy every time. Sometimes he's fussy and only wants me to hold him though which doesn't give me a break.
Willow- sounds like Georgia and Zoe are extremely similar. Even when held Zoe fusses. Drives me mental.
Not to mention the fact my sister (her dd is 2 weeks older) she says well you get easy labour so harder baby. While her baby is happy as and sleeps through the night. (She does bottle feed though)
DB- yeah it was just me, DH and Zoe last night. I rarely take the older 3 out. They are well behaved but the cost lol. I have just found a local pub with playground which does kid eat free on Mondays so we are going to attempt there.
I formula fed DS1 from about 4-6 weeks (can't remember exactly it was long ago lol) He was still a crap sleeper and fussy. I was told all would be fixed if I put him on the bottle. It was not. I remind myself of that often when I start to think how much easier it might be and how much more sleep I might get, because I *might* not too! It's soooooo tempting though!
I've had a thought though, after re reading your post about the pram and the park. Georgia hasn't been in the pram yet. DS3 had a bit of a 'that's my pram' moment so we let him go in it and I've been using the ergo for Georgia. So I don't know if she'll like it or not, DS hated it until he was about 2 1/2! I'm going to bring it in make it comfy and see if she'll sleep in it inside, maybe rocking it will re settle her too. It worked sometimes for DS1 so worth a try I think. DS3 said yesterday when he saw it in the boot that Georgia could have the pram now because he's too big and doesn't need it :( So hopefully he feels the same today :)
Willow- hoped the pram works for you.
I'm going diary free to see if that helps. Apparently will take a week to know.
We had a horrible day today but not Zoe wise. We got news DH brother was passed away. So very big shock. Hasn't been a good past 4 weeks losing my grandad and now BIL. My hearts breaking for DH and his mum and sister. It's all so surreal.
Beatrix - Sorry to read your sad news. Sometimes the reality of someone passing away doesn't come until a lot later. With my Mum it took over a year and then it finally sunk in and I fell to pieces. Take care and I hope your DH is ok under the circumstances.
Thanks DB.
Yeah it's all pretty surreal. Yesterday was also my grandmas birthday and my aunt brought around a present that grandad had brought and put away before he died. My whole extended family now on both sides are hurting so much and it's just not fair. DH mum is a amazing beautiful lady and I hate seeing her like this. Plus my SIL too. And my mum and grandma hurting so much.
BIL was only 37 but unfort didn't take care of himself very well (he was morbidly obese) and I hope that the one thing that does come out of his death is family look at their lifestyles and see how they can change it for the better. Either way he was too young to die.
Beatrix, so sorry to hear about your BIL. It's super tough when one death closely follows another - I know because I've been there. Be very kind and gentle to yourself xo
Willow and Beatrix, Owen has become a lot like Georgia and Zoe, crying a lot, not sleeping during day unless walked while vertical in sling for a long long time... I'm trialling going off dairy as well Beatrix. It's one of DS1's food allergies, and Owen has many of the same symptoms :-(
To test for cows milk protein intolerance properly, it's meant to be 2 weeks completely free of all dairy products, then a rechallenge for up to another 2 weeks (used to only take 2 days to see symptoms with DS1, but they're all different). Often it takes 10-14 days off dairy before all the cows milk protein is out of your system and the baby's and their reaction symptoms have subsided. Given that DS1 has such a long list of protein intolerances, plus fructose malaborption, I might even end up doing a full elimination diet, followed by challenging with one food at a time, to work it all out. Seems a bit drastic, but I just want my baby not to be in pain again. I'll speak to a dietician and see what they think. Owen has fed every 2 hrs since midnight, but now he's down, so I'm gonna try and sneak in a shower. Thinking of you all, hope you have easier days with your bubs today.
Beatrix I'm so sorry that's terrible :( 37 is too young. You guys are having a crap time I hope that's it for a while now :hug:
Well the pram didn't work, but I will keep trying. It needs it's wheels oiled as soon as you move it backwards or turn it it has the loudest squeak there's no way she was going to sleep through that!
I'm not sure that dairy is an issue for us. I am very slack on dairy, I have milk in my tea and maybe some cereal a couple of times a week, I don't really eat yoghurt and have had cheese about twice since Georgia was born (not sure why because I love cheese) Maybe that's enough to be a problem though I really don't know? DS3 had food intolerances but it was all about additives so that's what has been on my mind with Georgia too. She does get overtired and overstimulated so I may have to go additive free again to work out if it's maybe a number or several that are getting to her. Some evenings I think she has pain but not all so I'm not sure :dunnno:
I was very slack on my water too and when I'm dehydrated she is more unsettled, I think she likes her milk fast and it slows it up if I'm not hydrated enough.
Again Beatrix so sorry you guys have had such a terrible time :hug:
Thanks girls. Everything's all a bit if a mess regarding BIL too so really full on.
As for Zoe went to start the diary free but yesterday she had a awesome day. When she was awake was all smiles and pretty happy, still didn't like to be put down but wasn't frustrated and ****ty.
Last night she slept 9-2:30 then 3-7!!! Was really good.
So I'm not sold on the dairy thing as I hadn't even started anything. Not sure if I want to try it yet.
Willow- DD1 was exactly how you describe!!... Now she's a feisty, spunky 5.5 year old!!:rolleyes: I think how they are as babies says a lot about their personality!!... Doesn't help you now though, I know!.... I think if you can get her to sleep longer she may not ask for boob so regularly.... It's hard with a 3yr old that doesn't really get the "quiet" thing.... DD1 doesn't really get it either!! :shakehead: I hope things improve for you! xx
Eleni refuses a dummy also.. I have tried all the different shapes.. and sometimes she gags on it and bring up milk..and a lot of it!! :(
happymum- oh hope things improve for you too!!
Beatrix- Sorry to hear of your loss again! :( far out!
Would it help if you express some of the fore-milk before a feed? AND there is nothing wrong with giving her formula every now and then for your sanity!!!.. I used to with DD1! I also have 2 x UHT NAN in the cupboard if things go pair shaped here and my boobs can't take it anymore!
OK..... at the moment all good here....I don't want to seem like i'm gloating or rubbing it in so I'm not posting so often :redface: BUT I am reading all your posts!
Eleni is feeding 3-4hr during the day... she will feed a lot in the evening and some nights pretty much drain me!! I'm lucky she sleeps well, and is content and happy when awake!, although she does get hungry sooner if she hasn't had a nap!... The only time she grizzles is when she's hungry to gassy!... She's still bringing up a lot of milk with her burps and will need at least 3-4 burps each feed, so she's sucking in a lot of air somehow!!.... Yesterday she brought up milk that reminded me of the Exorcist!!!:o She's not distressed though, which is a good thing!
The other night she slept right through from about 10:30pm-8am!! She grizzled at 1:30am but when i touched her cheek she stopped and went back to sleep, then at 4am, I thought she would be hungry, but no...she had done a poo.. so I changed her and offered her a feed as I was about to burst!!..she sucked a little which relieved the pressure so I was happy....all the while still asleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At 8am I woke her to give her a good feed because I felt like I was about to explode!!
Last night though she was back to normal.... 10am-2am-5:30am....topped her up at 7:30am so I could take her on school run and she's still asleep!
The last two nights she has been all snorty and finding it hard to breath through her nose... have gone through half a bottle of Fess! But it doesn't come out it's dry and not where I can see it!!....so she gets a bit cranky!!
I have my 6 week OB check tomorrow and I also need to organise needles this week for Eleni!.....
I can imagine if it was an unexpected passing things would be mess. I hope it all settles down soon xx
Glad Zoe had a good day and night! I would have thought if it were dairy it would be constant/consistent crankiness, wouldn't it? Not that I'm sure of that but it would make sense, unless the days you have more dairy make her more cranky? It's all so vague. I did read a couple of articles on fussy babies and 'arsenic hour' yesterday and really most of the time the cause is unknown and it passes after about 3-4 months (HOPEFULLY!!!) It was interesting though that babies in places like Mali and a few others looked at don't suffer from the fussy times in the evening/night. Their babies are rarely put down, feed several times an hour etc So very different to how we live here. Maybe babies just aren't designed to fit into our modern lifestyles. Not that we have a choice though.
I hope the good days continue for you guys :crossfingers: Georgia had a good day but it fell to pieces last night around 9 when the screaming started and went on until just after 10.30. It's weird though with her, a couple of times she'd stop crying for a minute, then she'd be looking at me smiling a minute or two later she'd be crying again :wtf: But at least I know she still loves me and doesn't think I'm completely hopeless not being able to make her happy during those times.
Willow- sounds similar to what Eleni does when she has gas or needs a burp!..... Once she's got it out she's OK usually..Does Georgia have trouble getting wind out...either way?
PS. Uploaded a couple pics of Eleni! :)
Harri- She gorgeous!!! And yep a few bottles of formula isnt going to hurt her. I have a massive supply for some reason atm and have managed in the lat 24hrs to express 200ml as well as feed her! so now we have frozen supply so wont need the formula!
Willow- im thinking that zoe is just a fussy baby, slightly high maintenance who loves her cuddles. Things will get easier! Se is currently sleeping on my in the manduca as she has been incredibly unsettled this morning and only kipping for 20min at a time. So over tired now.
DH is currently at his brother house trying to help his family sort and find the needed paper work :(
Harri how cute is Eleni :) and gloat away! :lol: Don't feel bad about posting because you're having an easier time than some of us we still like to hear from you :D
Georgia burps quite easily now and gets the other end going quite often too :p Some days I can tell she's got trapped wind but others she just seems fussy. The smiley breaks in crying aren't after a burp or fart she just goes quiet for a bit smiles then continues on crying. When she finally stops she either goes to sleep or has a decent feed then sleeps. She doesn't get any wind out first, so it's not always wind pain.
My easiest baby was DS2. He Pretty much ate then slept 3 hours through the day and four at night. By one month he slept through the night. He was never cranky, slept anywhere never needed help to go off to sleep. He was an easy toddler, an adventurer but easy no terrible 2s or any of that stuff. Got to the teens and that's where the wheels fell off lol Has been full on and sometimes nightmarish ever since! DS1 was a fussy baby and crap sleeper but has been what everyone calls a dream child. Never in trouble at school, not the slightest bit feral through high school, just cruised through did well through high school & college. So I'm taking consolation in the fact that so far for me easy baby = nightmare teenage years, and fussy hard work baby = dream child/teen :p Here's hoping anyway!
Beatrix I'm thinking the same about Georgia, DS3 was the same so why not throw me another one straight after. I did hope I might have another easy baby for my last one(even though that could negatively effect my theory :p ), you never know she may not be high maintenance as long as DS3 was, well he still is actually :p
I went looking for my breast pump yesterday and can't find it anywhere, I'm thinking I may have given it away, as I wasn't having any more babies after DS3, then, surprise, yes I was. So I haven't even attempted expressing yet.
I hope DH can get it all sorted quickly so you can all get on with grieving and healing.
We had a successful short trip out today after a fussy morning. I had to go into Medicare to lodge all my forms for Georgia, slack I know taking this long. But she was really good, didn't cry in the car slept instead. I put her in the Ergo when we got there and she stayed awake for a bit, then when she started to get whingy I was sure she would crack it completely while we were waiting and that I'd have to yell over her crying at the person at the counter. But she went off to sleep again with some jiggling, the wait was the shortest I've ever had in there too. She whinged a bit on the way home then slept again. So I was happy with how that went :)
Harri, I'm glad you have a contented baby, keep enjoying it :-)
Willow, thanks for sharing your experiences, it's great to hear your perspective and what you've learnt along the way. The food intolerances thing is very difficult to work out, and definitely it's normal for babies to be unsettled without food being the cause. I agree with everything you've said. I only want to test for that possibility for Owen because of how much mucous and reflux he has now (he can't sleep lying down anymore, so is in a sling on me most of the day), and also because DS1 has multiple protein intolerances, which indicates an increased risk that Owen might have that too. I don't know for sure yet if Owen does or doesn't react to any foods, but eliminating them and then rechallenging is the only way for me to find out. You've given me hope for slightly easier teenage years though, fingers crossed.
We're also trialling a low salicylate diet for DS1 starting today, as he has a number of behavioural issues and cannot stop wetting himself during days (he's 4yrs 4 mths, meant to be starting school next year). I only just read on the weekend that salicylate reactions can be linked to this issue, and I've always suspected that he was still reacting to something in his diet, but I didn't know what. Again, just a 2-week trial to see if it makes any difference, I have no idea if it will or not.
Anyway, I'm doing ok through all this - I know things could be worse, and I have great support off my DH every night when he gets home. Makes a huge difference. Hope you all have a good day.