Babies Born ~ July 1st-15th 2009 #2

[naomi54]

hey all,
sorry havnt been on to post.....Cam is getting better....still drives me crazy though....but after reading what some of you are going throught with your little ones,im inclined to think what he does could be classed "normal" for this age!!..........apparently we have stopeed our 4hr nap aswell, now having 2-3 naps a day...which i find better. Although means generally our mornings are now starting at 5 not 7+ grrr ohwell

Have uploaded some pics on FB...We got Cam a walker for xmas, never had one with Lachie, but i thought bugger all the preconceptions i had heard with DS1 and Cam LOVES IT!!!

regards to those with feeding issues, im having the same drama, although like i said things are getting better and he actually taking alot more bottles without too much of a fuss, was wondering if possible, their little backs could be out or something?? have heard of this but im not sure?

Hey Heather LOVED your birth story...Well done hun, you must be proud as!!

i use hot water and vinegar to wash hard surfaced toys and, hand wash with just hot water and maybe some washing powder with the soft toys.
I'd be fuming too, i cant believe the nerve of some people.

Cam can dismiss many bottles in a row, most has been 4 over a 6 hr period, taking in only about 50mls, but next offer he was fine. Nowadays he may dismiss 1-2 bottles but they are half drunk so im not to fussed, i assume he knows when he hungry and how hungry, so i follow his lead, cant do damage unless he always refuses them right??

im with you all on the sleeping "ADVICE", Cam doesnt follow tradtional routines as it is letalone sleeping routines!!!

sorry for the lack of personalised personals, have been meaning to get on here but kids are "good" just full on atm....had a few breakdowns over last couple of days, makes me feel as this is a sign i shouldve been happy with just 1 iykwim, not that i would change it for the world now of course but i hope ykwim.
I do do the whole, it wont last it will get better etc, but half the time it doesnt work and i get stuck as to knowing what to do, family and friends work, or live a fair bit away, im not one to call on help when im in the middle of a crisis, i normally call someone after it and get it off my chest that way, buts its not when i actually need it.....iykwim

OMG im dribbling on like crap, sorry ladies, hope you are enjoying your weekends.

[Calluna]

ss- hope your day got better,

Naomi, miss E- I washed the toys today and put them in he sun. Hopefully that kills any remaining germs. :S

Naomi - Thanks I am really proud of us. I didn't do it drug free like I wanted, but I did the best I could and feel a great sense of accomplishment because of that. Maybe next time I'll try for drug free again and see how I go.
Hopefully you had a better day today. I'm the same, I just battle on, on my own then talk about it later.
Dribble away, that's what were here for

AFM- Isaac is exhausted but refuses to sleep. I rock him to sleep and he wakes up agian 10 mins later, I've tried feeding him to sleep and he wakes up 5 mins later, I've tried sitting with him next to his cot and holding his dummy in (he wont keep it in just smiles at me and spits it out ). He wouldn't sleep in his cot last night either. He was fine while I was holding him but the second I put him down he was wide awake. It seems as though we've moved on from not feeding to not sleeping now. Sigh.
The hardest part is whenever I lay him down in my arms he cracks it and starts crying and arching his back, stiffening his legs etc. Just like with the feeding probs, except he'll feed now (mostly). I have to hold him upright and hum to him for a while and slowly lay him down while I'm rocking him. It takes forever. Then I finally get him to sleep put him down and he wakes up again. I've tried holding him while he sleeps but it doesn't seem to have made a difference this morning. ARGH!
So right now I have him lying on a mat on the loungeroom floor. He's quite happy I think but he's soo tired. Droopy eyes, rubbing eyes, pulling ears, etc. Then DF (whose been watching TV all morning) says "He's REALLY tired, you should put him to bed" like I don't know WTFDYT I've been doing all day?? Playing tea parties with my teddy bears?

ahem /vent..
we're going to head to the shops now because DF reckons he might be too hot and the air conditioned shopping centre might make it easier to get him to sleep. I doubt it, but I cant be bothered arguing. At least I might get a decent lunch. Theres no food in the house.

[lovelycate]

heva -"Playing tea parties with my teddy bears?" Isaac sounds like he is doing exactly what Zac was doing a while ago with his sleeps. It seems like you just get thru one issue when another one crops up. If it's any help, the current thing that's working with Zac is to put him down, roll him onto his side, and pat his bum. Sometimes I wedge a rolled up towel behind him to stop him from rolling onto his back and waking up again... Also, apparently freezing will kill any germies - shove them in a plastic bag and in the freezer overnight or for 24 hours.

Naomi - I can't imagine what it must be like looking after two LOs - I'm finding it hard enough with one, so you have my full admiration. You're doing a great job!

ss-storm - I've got the Farex iron enriched for 4-6month olds. It seems nice and smooth, doesn't have any fruit or anything in it.

AFM - seem to be having some similar problems to a few others re feeding. Struggling to get Zac to take a full bottle at one sitting these days. Also, I've been wondering if the increased night wakenings (every 3 hours) are because he's hungry (he certainly downs a bottle pretty quickly then) so therefore he's not getting enough during the day. According to the formula container, at his age he should be having 5 x 240mls, but he's having more like 6 x 180mls. So now I'm going to try to get more into him during the day, but since he doesn't seem particularly interested in feeding atm that will be interesting...

I'm feeling pretty knackered myself. Went back to bed with Z this morning, which was great in terms of having a nap, but we've got mothers' group this arvo and the day is pretty much written off now! ah well, tomorrow's another day!

Took christmas card photos yesterday - Z in a little santa suit. OMG he was sooooo cute :-)

[jetta2022]

[QUOTE=lovelycate;2075615]Also, apparently freezing will kill any germies - shove them in a plastic bag and in the freezer overnight or for 24 hours.

Hey lovelycate - I hope you were talking about the toys there and not Isaac or Zac! No, sorry, I just thought it looked funny how you wrote it straight after talking about Zac!!! Sorry, maybe my sense of humour is a bit warped...it really isn't funny... Good advice though, I didn't know that. Would love to see the pics in the SAnta suit!! So cute!

Miss E- totally the same. Sam will be in the shopping centre with me and stay awake for 4 hours but at home, he is only lasting 1 1/2 hours at most. After the 4 hours he was totally over it and I needed to get him sleep asap but yeah, I think the excitement of the hussle and bussle of the shops kept him going. Then the other day in the shops he had a complete nana...and I had to try to feed him to sleep.
Also, no way Sam would survive on two naps. On Sunday, he wouldn't go down for his third nap at all. An hour and a bit later got him up and about 20 minutes after that went abo****ely beserk. We had to give him a bath because feed, dummy, nothing worked. He had a bath and was happy and then I fed him and he started falling asleep on me so I put him to bed. I just know that staying awake for that long makes him really upset so I think it is ridiculous to think they could just have two sleeps. Well, for Sam anyway.

Heva5 - hope things get better with sleeping. Sam is really all over the place too, not the same but I think their sleep really gets effected around this age. He was self settling all week, then back to really fighting it, then self settles again. I am totally with you on the toys though. I would not do that someone else! I just can't imagine walking up to someones mat with toys on it and just start allowing Sam to suck all over someone elses toys. No offence to Isaac but she didn't know if your child had a cold or anything either! But other than that, it is quite rude and I would be just as annoyed as you. I didn't know about the freezer thing, so good tip or the soaking.

Naomi54 - good that you are able to have a whinge. hopefully it helps! I hope things get better and you feel better soon. If you have more than one child, I admire you! It must be full on and you should be really proud of yourself for doing such an amazing job!

SS Storm - Sam is really interested in food now, but I am thinking the same, around Christmas I think or maybe a bit before. We will see. I had a friend who around 5 months said he stopped sleeping through the night and she thought it was hunger so thats when she started. I will see how he goes. Kind of exciting!! They are growing up so fast!!

AFM - work is busy but looking forward to 2 weeks break at the end of the year. My husband has been running the business on his own, so he is really well and truely wanting a break. That will be nice to have him around, as he hates only seeing Sam at the end of the day. He loves the weekend when he sees Sam happy and playing. Trying not to buy too many christmas presents and looking at buying the high chair soon. Just had new dining table arrive which is nice so finally the house is complete now. Sam is rolling more and just being generally lovely!! He has had a few beserk moments lately where he has just gone ballistic. I think it has mainly been when he is over tired and nothing will settle him but I guess that is him just growing and stuff... I just always freak at that something is wrong as he is normally so calm and placid. I am sure it isnt anything serious though.
Anyway, catch up again soon!

[lovelycate]

[QUOTE=jetta2022;2076232]

Also, apparently freezing will kill any germies - shove them in a plastic bag and in the freezer overnight or for 24 hours.

Hey lovelycate - I hope you were talking about the toys there and not Isaac or Zac! No, sorry, I just thought it looked funny how you wrote it straight after talking about Zac!!! Sorry, maybe my sense of humour is a bit warped...it really isn't funny...

nope, you're right, that was quite funny! good lord my brain is very random at the moment.

ss-storm - I was re-reading what you said about changing teat sizes. I wonder if that would be helpful for us? I have kept Zac on the size 1s as they say they're good for combining with BF, but given that any BF we're doing is more comfort sucking than anything else, I suspect it doesn't really matter... I've got some size 2s around, so might give those a go tomorrow and see if that helps him with finishing his bottle - worth a try at least!

[ss_storm]

Oh man..I don't know if her sleep is getting better or worse! Seems to take ages to settle her to sleep, she starts crying as soon as I walk into our room to put her to bed
Can take up to 30-45 mins to get her to actually go to sleep, and she'll either be whingy crying/crying or laughing and chatting and playing with her dummy, or a mix of all. DF keeps telling me to let her cry it out, but I really don't want to do that, distresses her and I know it would get me upset. "oh no...you are teaching her that you'll come running every time she cries...when she is 3 years old and won't go to sleep unless you are there don't come complaining to me..."

FFS I think it is worse for her to cry to herself to sleep all the time! She used to self-settle really well and I'm sure she will again, just takes time and patience, and reassurance that someone is there, not that she is all alone in her cot in a dark room and no one will come to soothe her...All I do is pop her dummy back in and maybe pat her back until she settles again, it's not like she is sleeping on me again or i'm rocking her to sleep, so she can put herself to sleep but sometimes just needs a bit of help. she is a baby, and unlike us she can't just go to bed, close her eyes and go to sleep, she needs to learn how. What's worse is I know he lets her CIO...I've ducked out to the shops a couple of times and she has just gone to sleep but wakes up when I leave and he leaves her to cry herself to sleep. He just doesn't see a problem with it and thinks that is the *only* way to get her to go to sleep by herself. Makes me not want to go anywhere without her because I don't want her to go to sleep from exhaustion, not only that I think it is only creating a fear of the cot, as I said before she starts crying as soon as I walk into the room with her!

Anyway..sorry for the rant, but I know you will understand, no matter what I say to DF he just doesn't get it, or won't listen, one of the two. Which of course then starts another argument

Sorry, once again no personals, I better get off BB and do some work!

[lovelycate]

ss-storm - you poor thing! As if it's not hard enough without having somebody undermining your efforts!

I highly recommend 'the Science of Parenting' by Margot Sunderland. It is based on research into the brains and psychological development of children, and really supports the whole 'gentle parenting' approach. CIO only teaches them to give up and that they can't trust anybody to come and help them. It sounds like what you are trying to do is reassure Hayley that there is someone who cares for her and also you are teaching her how to settle herself. It's not going to be an instant fix, but that's not the way humans work!

Some people seem to have very old fashioned, out of touch with reality, ideas about how to raise a child. FWIW, I think you're doing a fabulous job

[sloane]

ss_storm that must be so frustrating. i dunno if your DF will listen but even advocates of CIO or CC say don't try it before babies are 6 months old. fwiw, DP's SIL went to a sleep school where they practised CC & since then, their baby has been weaned off wrapping but his sleep is still as unpredictable as ever. so i guess it's one of those things that may work for some but doesn't necessarily for others, even on babies that are over 6 months.

jetta - it sounds like you def deserve a break soon!

lovelycate - oooh, are zac's santa pics on facebook? that would be so cute!

naomi54 - ugh, 5am starts are just so wrong, aren't they? i've tried to tell corey that it's not acceptable to be up before at least 6.30 but will he listen?

miss e - i hear you on the conflicting advice! although it does make me really think that whatever works for you is the best thing to do!

heva - those sleep issues sound very similar to what we're going through. did the air con at the shops help?

afm, sleeps are still all over the place. yesterday we went for a 2 hour drive because car trips always seem to get him to sleep & then at least he's had some sort of nap! went to a talk on solids at my MCHN centre today - they advocate BLS/W which is what i was hoping to do so that was really good. i think corey is really getting ready but i'm planning to wait until we hit 6 months.