Babies born~February 16th-28th 2009 #12

Morning all

Well another cr@ppy night and early morning here. We got DD off to sleep before our Tuesday night people came round (they come every Tues) so we thought beauty, she'll stay asleep... well she would have if the couple with the 14wk old baby didn't need to borrow a wrap :wall: Which of course are all in DD's room :doh: So into DD's room I creep, not quiet enough, she woke up and then screamed for an hour! Even with me or DH holding her, she was still screaming!

Then she was awake at 4.15am, I resettled with a drink of water and a cuddle, but she was awake again at 5.10am. My eyes are hanging out of my head...

Anyway she's my mum's problem now... I'm at work. Mum was going to take her into the "World's Biggest Playgroup", anyone else going in for that??

Nai - no good about the wetting! Can't really help sorry - we're in cloth overnight so I've got no clue about sposies. LOL at trying boy ones... I would never have thought of that! Hope it works for you! I think the same as you when DD wakes at 6am, I can't really complain because half the time we wake her at that time when I'm working, so we can't complain when she wakes herself up... but 5.10am was just toooo early this morning!

Meg - that's great about your playgroup! Sounds like you have found some kindred spirits. Sometimes I think Det and I get some funny looks in our mothers' group - we're the only ones still BF, no one else uses cloth, no one cosleeps, none of that. We are trying to turn into a playgroup at the moment, which might improve things. Some of our MG can be a bit cliquey so I'm hoping that once we are a playgroup and some other mums join, it might break down some barriers a bit!

Olive - we're starting to get the tanties too. Seems to be more sleep related than anything... GL with the food situation! Does she show any interest in what big sister is eating?? Sat sounds great! And good on you for your EBM donations!

Shell - well here's hoping Miss I gets over it like E did. How are E's gums and teeth? Poor thing! Hope she's coping ok.

Meg - I'd take the more challenging job too. Coming back to work has been hard for me because I'm not inspired by what I'm doing, its not challenging me and its the same same as I've been doing for ever. So I'm all for a more challenging position, especially if its something you're interested in! And its only an extra four hours I think? Well I guess four hours plus a whole lot more brain power required.

Heaven, how's the night weaning going?

Hi to everyone else!!

nai i have some boy nappies, just the old style coles one (got them for $6 a packet) i can send you some and see if they hold up. thiough i dont get how boys supposible pee out the front and girls down the bottom, my girls both pee out the front! boy nappies have more padding at th efront which is good for tummy sleepers!

OP oh no at the 5.10am wake up :hug: i hope she sleeps well and all night tonight! bugger about needing the wrap :doh:

meg glad the playgroup is much bette!! i love the two groups i see!!

ooh thats a good tip with the boy nighttime nappies. We have tuumy sleeper too.

OP- hope you told them to bring there own wraps next time! Lol, you poor thing, I reakon have a nap in your lunch time! Pregnancy, work and awake babies aren't a good combination.

Meg- thats great u found new playgroup, I finally gave up my mums group, sad as I'd been going for over 3 years but I was always the outsider, didn't fit in, they were nice enough but all close with each other so in the end I had enough. Plus times were crap too, kept making it later and later, 3:30 it was on at! I start bathing and cooking dinner at 4;30.

Olive- how did your night go? I saw your other thread. How does she go about eating if your not there? Does she eat better if she knows booby not around?

I've been offered to look after a nearly 2 year old one day week, prolly will do it, extra $$ will be nice, they'll drop him here at 7:30 and pick up 5-5:30 he loves playing with the girls so no probs there. Just thinking on how much should ask for, someone in thread I started said $8-10 hour so was roughly what we thought, was gonna ask maybe $80 for the day. I'll be feeding him, they'll supply nappies. Will be nice that cash in hand every week for doing what I'd be doing anyway but with one extra.

Hi girls!!

Shell - sounds great!! Extra money is always nice.

lilima - I'm really glad you've moved into a nicer group. I remember your threads from a while ago about how cliquey and weird the other mum's were. No idea about the work but if it were me, I'd go for what challenges me and interests me, even if the hours aren't quite right.

OP, Olive, Heaven and anyone else with a frequent waking bub :grouphug:

We have nightweaned DS. Not sure we followed Jay Gordon to the letter, in that I wasn't counting days or anything. One night he went a longer stretch and DP said he'd settle him and so without really meaning to, we started a few days earlier than planned. DS never fed to sleep but was doing what miss M does and using the feed to settle himself back down. I had been feeding him 2 hourly most of the time and I was really struggling. Something had to give cause I was getting worried about my mental state and so was DP. I just have to say that DP is AWESOME cause he did all the settling for about a week!! :o Then we had another tooth cut, then the 12 month immunisation so a few days after that and he started waking again at all hours and taking ages (like hours) to settle. He was doing what Miss I is for OP - just wanting to be held and screaming when put back in his cot. DP resorted to driving him round in the car in the middle of the night a couple of times. We've had both sets of grandparents staying seperately in the past week, there's been parties, big outing days, time in daycare. It's all happening for him. If I'd had more choice, I would have spaced out the weaning, daycare and immunisation but didn't want to delay immunisation cause he's going into care, can't delay care cause I'm going back to work and needed to wean him cause I wasn't functioning well with all the wake ups and need to be back on deck to go back to work. Damn work!! So wish I didn't have to go, look at the issues it's caused already!!

A few nights ago we put a mattress on the floor so now when he wakes and won't resettle with cuddles, he and I sleep on the mattress. It seems to be working in that we're getting slightly more sleep. Last night we got a 5.5 hour stretch before he woke and wouldn't resettle so we slept together in his room between about 5:30am and 7:45am. Hopefully that's a short term thing while the immunisation works it's way back out of his system.

Oh and he dropped his day feeds too in amongst all of that so now we only feed twice a day - 11pm and 6am (approx). Feel a bit sad but at least he's dropped them in his own time and wasn't forced by my return to work. Also, he had bitten me and feeding was very painful for a while there so I think he's been wanting to drop them for a while and I wasn't listening. :redface:

Nai - I've tried the cow's milk before bed after your post but DS doesn't like it and spills it everywhere!! Your DD is giving you some great stretches overnight!
Bellabambina - love the new username!! Can't wait to see your avvy when it's up! Two weeks will be gone before you know it and you'll be on holidays! How is DD going in care?

kaz awesome work with the weaning!!!! wooohoooo!! and a huge pat on the back for your DH! the more i night wean M th emore she feeds duriong the day :doh: but having said taht i havnt fed during the night for a week now! last night she took 40 mins to resettle so not bad!!
we also dont like cows milk though she did drink some just before!

Kaz, that sounds like you guys are really getting somewhere with the night weaning!!! :clap: Well done, go DP! What a star he has been for you :D

We don't have a spare mattress... or I think I would have slept on the floor in her room a few times too, good idea! And as Det keeps saying, you do what works for you!

Miss I bit me twice this morning, it is nasty. I think it was unintentional though - she was so exhausted after her early wake up.

Well done.

Shell - I'd go for it too! $80 sounds reasonable!

PS - Kaz - who is Bellabambina, what have I missed??

Yay Olive! 40 mins isn't so bad to resettle. I was worried DS would feed more during the day to make up for the night and also to make up for the hours in care but I really think he was ready to drop the day feeds anyway. We will continue to persevere with cows milk here too. I am slightly worried that he's dropped the b'feeds and not picked up the cow's milk but as with everything else, I have to trust him to know best what he needs. They're really big feeds at 11 and 6 so maybe he's just condensed lots of little ones into two big ones? My CFHN said they "should" :lol: be having about 600ml of milk or equivalent of dairy per day. Don't know how they get that number and it's meaningless since we can't measure breastmilk feeds anyway!! :lol:

ETA - snap OP!! BellaBambina is Alibaby!! I was reading back through the thread and she seems to have had a name change. Before we moved the spare mattress I spent a night squished onto his cot mattress on the floor cause I was feeling sick and needed to lie down and was desperate!! Wasn't doing that one again! Do you have any family or friends that could lend you a mattress for a little while?

Ahhhh Alibaby, nice! I get so confused... I blame baby brain and sleep deprivation :lol:

Yeh Kaz I agree, you cannot measure his BF so just listen to your instincts! Miss I is only having 2 BFs a day, has been since about 11mths, so who knows exactly how much she gets?

I also couldn't tell you how much cow's milk she has - some days a few sips, some days a few sippy cups! But dunno how much is in a sippy cup!!! They are all different, where do these rules come from?

Kaz-That is fantastic! I am so happy for you and DP and J as it is important that everyone is gettign sleep and is happy and healthy. I did the mattress on the floor thing when I night weaned DD and it worked for us. I think it was a few weeks but I got used to it and she got used to being in her room and not coming into mine. I am still yet to do immunisations. Might try this arvo after I pick DD up from CC or maybe tomorrow. CC is going great for DD. She is loving it. She doesnt sleep much though. 45min yesterday so when I got home she was grizzly so I put her to bed with a bottle at 5pm and she stayed asleep!!! I actually went in at 11pm to change her nappy (did it in her cot) and she went back to sleep until 7pm this morning so CC is working wonders for her night time sleep! Hope it does the same for J.

Lilima- I was so happy when I read you have found a great play/mums group. I have been very lucky with a wonderful group with no clicks which is great considering there is probably an age range of about 15 years between me being the youngest and the oldest mum. We have just started to organise ours to turn into a playgroup and invite other mums as well.

OP- :hug: It sounds like such a juggling act at the moment with Miss I, work, pregnancy, lack of sleep. My heart goes out to you. You can start counting down to maternity leave soon! :)

Shell- I think what you want to ask sounds fair esp as you are providing all the food and cooking. Great for the extra cash though!

Olive- Sounds liek some major improvements on the night front. Hope the day feeding settles for you.

AFM- DD in CC today and I am not at work so have doen so much cleaning today! Even vaccumed the car that was filled with Saltanas everywhere! LOL! Feels strange without DD here though. You may have seen my other thread on breakables after incident with MIL on Monday. Seems MIL has been speaking to SIL and SIL spoke to DP and of course DP spoke to me! :) SIL seems to think its my fault for even having a snowglobe for DD but has missed the entire part about it being up hight out of DD's reach and MIL putting it on the ground for her to play with! :o I am then apparently an overprotective parent! So easy for someone to judge who doesnt have children! pffftt! I actually think I am quite a relaxed parent but maybe because I dont wnat my child playing with a glass object or pulling everything out of kitchen cupboards makes me uptight! :ROFL: At least DP stuck up for me and we are on the same page with how we want to parent DD.

Kaz spotted my new username! It means beautiful little girl(referring to my DD not me)! But you girls can still call me Ali. Have put in for an avvy so will soon see what it looks like when it arrives.

:hello: to all those who I missed

ETA- You girls posted when I was typing.
OP- Its me AliBaby! :) I bought a foam mattress from Fantastic for $40. It lives folded under our spare bed now. It was a very good investment at the time.
Kaz- I read somewhere about the dairy before. I will try and find it.

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Haha... LOL... :lol: ... who says I'm not already? :redface::redface:

Nice username Ali, love it :D What are you going to do when you have a boy next?? :D

Can't wait to see your new avvy! I miss mine :(

Glad to hear CC is working out so well for you! Maybe that's what I need to try with Miss I ;)

Thanks for the mattress tip... we actually need a proper one for DD's "big girl" bed and also one for underneath (we will buy a proper trundle bed when we can afford it) - so the FF $40 mattress sounds perfect for underneath her new bed! Might go check it out!

OP - still have a night waker - Alex will sleep from 8-12 or 1am then wakes every 2 hours or so until 6am or sometimes 8am. Still going to sleep on the boob, although for the last three nights he's flaked on the lounge (which is where he is at the moment).

ali - llike the new username

Sorry have forgotten everything else - had problems with BB - didn't get any email notifications of new posts, and had probs logging on and got stuck into editing my novel (added another 10 pages)

I use nature care nappies at night for Alex - he doesn't wet through them, although some mornings they are hanging off him - LOL.

I got a latex foam mattress from clarks for 110$ - it's nice and thick, so your hips don't go through it. I've been sleeping on it for months now.. sigh.. one day I'll get back in the big bed... LOL

12 mth check up and Alex is still just under 9kg and he's still in 00 pants!! I had to move him up in his vests to 0 because the 00 wouldn't fit over his head!!

must.go.to.bed....!

just a quickie,will do persies inthe morning,M has stirred twice already, not enough for me to go in but still. hope the rest of the night is better.
M is saying 'done' when shes finished eating!! tis very cute!

night everyone~!

Hi all,

Don't get a lot of time to check out the threads these days - lectures, reading & studying, assignments left, right, and centre. Not to mention L...lol

Hope you're all well :)

Just a quick update - nothing new here! Hehe. Still same old...still bfing, infact he is more into it than ever before. He constantly pulls at my top and wants a feed. He has even added an extra feed :o He is now feeding immediately after waking in the morning while we're in bed. He's never had a feed before breakfast until now! We are also still feeding all throughout the night and I feed him to sleep!! Won't be weening whatsoever any time soon. Doesn't bother me really.

I have a phone consultation with the Queen Elizabeth Centre on Monday...I don't even know what our problems are and if there are even problems at all?? Maybe I'm just making such simple things into problems. I need to decide if L sleeping through is really a priority for me, if the tantrums are really that big a deal, if the needing to be fed to sleep is such a problem, if the cosleeping is a problem, the wanting bbs all the time, if the bad behaviour at meal times is an issue or a phase, the total lack of routine no matter how much I try and persist, every day is different - is that a problem? Yes I wish he'd sleep through the night and self settle but is it that big a deal that I should seek professional help and take him out of his comfort zone into a sleep school?? I feel it's selfish of me to try and force independence upon him just to give myself more time to do stuff, have longer and less disturbed sleep, have my bed back, have more time with dp, etc...and it's only a baby's instinct to want all these comfort things and want to be close to me. Of course he wants to be with his mummy 24/7, it's only natural. And like I keep telling myself, surely he won't be like this in 20 years time! Hmmm I am really in two minds about it :(

Okay enough blabber from me!!! Hopefully I'll get on here tomorrow to catch up properly xox

Hi all,

Holly - nice to hear from you! Also nice to hear you sounding a little more positive, well at least that you are taking a step back and trying to assess your situation and put it in the right perspective, if that makes sense. I reckon you should still have the phone consult and maybe even still book in with them for the residential bit - the waiting is the worst part and you can always cancel if you do decide you are happy to roll with it a bit longer.

By the way - I don't think you're being selfish or trying to force independence on him... you are right, absolutely, he will not be like this in 20 years! It is just a question of how you and DP are coping with his current behaviour - sounds like you are doing ok right now, so maybe you do want to just go with it for a while longer. But I'd still say talk to the QEC, see what they say.

How's school going?? :p

Olive - how was the rest of your night? Hope DD slept a little better. So cute about saying "Done"! Miss I has started saying "yum yum yum yum yum" while she is eating. Very cute!

Malyna - glad to hear (in a selfish way) I'm not the only one with a night waker! But you sound like you are dealing well with it. I think I need to sort out DD's new mattresses and get that all happening, it'd be so much easier than sitting on the floor or dragging a chair in, as I have been doing.

How's everyone else going today?

AFU: had tea at my parent's house then I went to a friend's place, DH had DD, apparently she settled off to sleep well (exhausted after her 4am wake up no doubt) and stayed asleep all the way home and into the cot... then about midnight she woke up yelling and crying, so in I went, she had a massive drink of water and went straight back to sleep, then awake at 6.30am. So that isn't too bad.

The only sour note was when DH said "You're not going to like this but I think you should wean her onto a cup of milk in the mornings". To which I replied "you're right, I don't like that, and I am not weaning her".

Apparently he doesn't like the fact that she wakes up and all she wants is BB, he tries to distract her but she is just grumpy until she gets BB. This morning I was drying my hair and wanted to finish, so he was trying to keep her occupied and she cracked it, so from this he says its "too hard" for him to help out in the mornings when I am busy and can't feed her and I should wean her. :rolleyes:

So now I am off to do some research on the benefits of BF beyond 12 mths...

holly - u sound really busy.

OP - u go girl with BF beyond 12 mths. DH's are funny aren't they? (in that non-humourous way that gets under our skins).


What are you girls doing to get your bubs out and meeting other toddlers?

Hey girls, rough night here - he woke every hour or two. Earlier in the evening he was resettling himself by himself but then he needed help and then at 4:30am I gave up and we slept on the mattress but he was still really unsettled and kept losing the dummy and waking and wriggling. I have not slept well :rolleyes:

Kailani - :hug: I have no advice hun but I have been right where you are - wondering if I'm being selfish or expecting too much and then having a few good days and feeling fine about everything then a rough patch and feeling like I can't cope anymore. It seems to be motherhood (at least my experience of it) interacting with how much sleep I've had the night before. I agree with OP - I'd do the consult, book in and get as much info as you can and then just see how you feel when your spot comes up. You can always not go or go and try for a day or two and leave early or go and see what they say and then only do what you're comfortable with anyway. It's so hard isn't it? Are you in your new house yet?
Bella - Fantastic that DD is doing so well in CC and that sleep she did was awesome!! I would die of shock if DS did that :rofl:
OP - Check out a website called kellymom for info and research on breast feeding past 12 months. Lots of great info there.
Malyna - Yay on more editing and more pages! DS would be in 00 pants too if he had a sposie on. I've had the same issue with his head with tops too. With socialisation, he is in CC three days a week, does swimming one morning a week (well, 30mins!) and mum's group on one morning for a couple of hours. I'm actually a bit worried there's too much going on for him all of a sudden but if he wasn't in CC I'd probably be looking around for a playgroup. There should be a couple of different ones where you are. Churches often run them too.
Olive - Hope you guys had a good night hun.

Ok I will just accept I am totally incapable of keeping up with this thread!! lol. It's time to admit it. I always read but am always doing something at the same time so don't get a chance to type a big post!!

So I am not the only one with a baby who doesn't self-settle. I thought there was only a couple of us!! DD has never self-settled, ever, lol. We have had no stages of self-settling or anything.

Umm.....what else did I read!! I have the worse memory!

Holly- Glad to hear you're feeling more positive!
Ali- Love the meaning of the new name!
Olive- Yay for night weaning! Sounds like you're going well!
OP- Sounds like DH is just looking for an excuse not to deal with the difficult behavior, lol, cunning!! But not going to fly!!

Hmm.....meeting other toddlers.....we went to our first play group today!! Haven't been before. It was huge!! There's 30 families!! omg, kids everywhere. I thought DD would be shy but she squirmed down and ran off to play as soon as we got there! lol. She had great fun. I was freaking out a little at the thought of all those kids, some older, and she stuck her fingers in some other kids mouth...ahhh...I always worry she's going to catch something especially seeing as she isn't vaxed yet!! But she had fun and I want to get out more so we are going to be starting vaxing soon, whenever I make the appt!

Night weaning....hmm.....we're taking it VERY slowly!! She is a total booby addict and doesn't take kindly to being denied! lol. But we are gradually getting there, trying to get longer and longer stretches. She's been having some stretches of sleep of 5 hrs lately which is AWESOME for her!!

Well I gtg get some lunch! Hope everyone is well!!

Hi Everyone! Very quick drop in as I am at work and under the pump! Just wanted to say that I put Miss J is cloth last night and she wasn't wet through this morning - bye bye sposies! Unfortunately I have about 60 left but hopefully they will fit her for a while and we can use them when we go away.

Nai, that's great, congrats on the dry wake up! Must have been nice to not have to change all the bedding this morning :D

Heaven - lol, I can only keep up on the days that I'm at work - clearly I am not under the pump like Nai :D

Your playgroup experience sounds good, that's great! Hope she continues to enjoy it. GL with the vax research too - I read your other thread but can't really contribute sorry. But I respect you for doing your research and checking all your options before making a decision.

Kaz - :hug: doesn't sound good at all last night. Can you leave him somewhere today and get some sleep? Early night tonight? Something like that?? Hun, hope it gets better again soon and this is just a temporary thing for you guys. It was going so well!!!

On a side note - where do you work? Are you going back soon? Thanks for the website info too, off to check it out now.

Malyna - we have quite a bit on. DD does swimming one morning a week, then we have our Mothers Group, which is about to turn into a playgroup so we will meet some other new mums and bubs, she also goes to another playgroup when my mum look after her on Wednesdays, with my sister and niece, so she's got other bubs there, and then we do a music playgroup on Friday mornings. Sounds like a lot when I write it all down!

If you're looking into playgroups, check out the playgroup Victoria website, or also the music playgroup I do is fantastic, has a bit more structure than a normal playgroup. Its called Mainly Music, they run them all over the world so there's probably one near you somewhere! It has half an hour of play/craft, then half an hour of music - singing, dancing, rhymes, etc, then a short break for morning tea and then a few songs to finish. DD is just starting to really enjoy it - she has been a bit too little before now.

Update on my BF issue: spoke with DH, sent him some info from the ABA that I found, turns out he doesn't want to wean her before she is ready either but he feels useless when I am fluffing around getting ready and all DD wants is a feed. So I agreed that either I'll get up earlier so I can deal with her when she wakes, or as soon as she wakes I stop what I'm doing and feed her, so that he can then look after her while I finish getting ready, without her cracking it.

So that's good!

Too much chatter in here!

OP- Glad you worked things out, it does get bit stressful for them when the want to help but feel useless. Are you planning to tandem feed when #2 comes along or ween by then?

Nai- stop slacking off work, lol.

Heaven- 5 hr stretches sound great considering all the trouble you've had with sleep and settling in the past, I can see progress being made. yay. 30 families a huge playgroup! I think I'd get lost, I go better in smaller groups.

Kaz- hope tonight is better, you think could be delayed upset from vax's? i've heard with 12 month ones can be like a week later they react.

Malyna- Emily just has her big sister really, when Ash was that age tho we had mums group and also did gymbaroo. Maybe look at joining a playgroup? Or some activity?

holly- You are sounding quite good. Its all up to you about QEC, we are all different and what we can cope with and handle varies greatly. If you do feel sleep and everything is affecting you in a negative way I'd follow up the help without feeling guilty. Its not selfish of you, your state of health is just as important, you have alot also in your life so gotta do what works for you.

Ali- I'm with you, who give a snow globe for kids to play with! I know I've had broken ones too cause of that reason! I had beautiful ones given as gift to Ash.

I'm going to get into sewing, have always been interested but not had much of a clue on it all so have booked into sewing classes starting next month, and wiped the dust off my sewing machine. Decided to get rid of our desk top computer we never use and set up sewing there, no point getting into it if zI have no where kid free to do it!

Holly, having been through the QE2 route, my advice to you is go, see what they ahve on offer, but remember you are mum and you know what is best for bubs. i ended up leaving early because it wasn't going to work, but the upside was that DH was more confident in settling.

Shell - good luck with the sewing.

OP - thanks for the info on the music.. I'll look them up.

Kaz - :hug: sorry to hear you had such a bad night.

AFU - took alex to our informal mums group meeting today in a park - he spent most of his time stuffing leaves down a storm water drain instead of playing with the other kids - LOL

Another working week ends for me.

I had written something a couple of days ago, but my whole post seems to be missing. Now I have forgotten all that I said.

Hmmmm... Let me think.

Oh - I did say nai - you could use a sposie and put a PUL cover over the sposie. Maybe even if oyu have some pocket nappies, just wup it over the sposie without being stuffed???

Holly - I suppose you have to answer in your own mind if you think it is a problem, or if it is just that it is a "problem" for everyone else, therefore you start to think it is.

In regard to E being exposed to other kids her age - we go to playgroup. she is by far the youngest, but she interacts with the other kids. she has a cousin a couple of months younger that she sees all the time. and she has family day care. (again older kids but she loves it.) oh and swimming lessons with kids her age. she mainly wants to be doing what J is doing though. Oh and i nearly forgot. They go to a huge indoor gym and have play time every Friday. HEAPS of kids of all ages.

Shell - good luck with the sewing. I wish I could sew.

OP - Sounds like you have had a good talk about what you both want to do as a couple in regard to BF. Realistically it will not bel ong till you are on mat leave anyway, so won't be getting ready for work (although you will have your hands full in another way!!)


To everyone else "hello" I am just way too tired to keep up at the moment. DH is away again all weekend, so just me again for te next few days, wit kids that want no end of attention. in fact DH and I haven't seen each other pretty much since last Wednesday. I worked Wed Thurs Fri last week, then he did s course for work for 4 days that was too far to drive so he had to stay, then had something else on this Wed, so kids were in bed when he got home, then I worked Thurs Fri day, and he worked Thurs night and tonight. Tomorrow morning he is not coming home and going straight to a mates for a weekend away, so I won't see him till late sun night. Then I have to work Mon, Tues Wed next week. Lucky we don
t wnat any more kids, as we never see each other.

lilima - you sound tired. :hug: for going solo on the weekend... hope everything works out well for you.

Shell- thanks for the info on the mainly music... I've found a local group and will go and see if we fit in on the 23rd april 9when they start back again.

I'm so tired... all self induced.. trying to get my book finished so I can send it off to agents... to get time to myself (Alex still won't nap in his cot during the day) I stay up til 2am. I last about 4 nights then I have to go to bed early 1am (lol). DH is looking after Alex at the moment so I can write or sleep (which is sounding mighty tempting at the moment).

Take care girls... :grouphug:

Good idea lilima! I will try that if I run out of inserts. We are using pockets with 2 inserts and a booster which seems to work well. I hope the kids behave for you while DH is away!

Miss J is such a handful at the moment. She is throwing tantrums left right & centre and screams at everything. She hits and pinches when she doesn't get her way. She is turning into a little bully!

Morning ladies,

Another Monday! At least we have Easter this weekend to break things up a bit... Sigh!

Nai - I know what you mean! Miss I is becoming a bit of a tanty chucker as well - does not like it when we tell her "no!" Hope it passes for you soon!

Malyna - yay for the mainly music class! I hope you enjoy it - Miss I is only just getting to the age now where she wants to (mostly) sit and actually listen and join in the with music, prior to about 12mths she just wanted to play. Hope Mr A loves it! And you too. Let me know how you go - I think the one I am involved in is run a bit differently to most.

I hear you on the self-induced tiredness, although mine is not from anything as exciting as writing a book! Good luck with getting it all finished!!

Lilima - I agree, you do sound really tired. Hope you aren't streching yourself too thin with everything on your plate! :hug:

Shell - my plan is to continue to BF Isabel until she decides to stop. My milk must have changed some during the pg and she hasn't really stopped or shown any inclination to stop... so if she's happy when I switch to colostrum and wants to keep going then hey I'll keep her going. I'm planning on getting some books from the ABA to prepare myself but it sounds completely do-able.

AFU: a pretty big weekend here with footy (sniff sniff my poor Bombers...), a wedding and a Grand Prix housewarming! So tired this morning - I really need to get to bed earlier! Isabel has been so good with her sleeping lately and I should have been taking advantage... silly me!

Hanging out for Easter and some good time at home to get some stuff happening in what will be Isabel's new room... can't handle living amongst the mess as we are at the moment!

Hope everyone else is going well!

arrhh so much to catch up on and i can be bothered typing :redface:

OP wow you did have a busy weekend!! great to hear DD slept very well last night!! how are you going for names for bubba blue???

nai M is the same with the tanties :o throws things etc.. just wants her own way, im learning how best to deal with them, she tanties alot at no booby!

malyna let us know how the call goes wiht the sleep people :hug: do whats best for you guys not what everyone thinks is best

lilima how didyou cope over the weekend by yourself?? how does DH get so many weekends to himself?? :hide: seems unfair to me :hug:

AFM M has been sleeping better, have had 3 nights of 10hr straight sleep, feeds at say 4.30-5am then back to bed for a few hours, saturday night wasbad, she was awake from 2-4am and S was awake from 3-4am, was tired yesterday! M had a 2.5hr sleep yesterday so hoping she repeats that today! last night she slept from 6.45pm to 5.45am! she also refused the bottle of EBM id left for DH to give as i was at work, 300ml wasted all up this weekend, looks like the end of EBM for her!
DH and i went out for our anniversary on saturday,went shopping (for the girls :rolleyes: ), then vietnamese for lunch then into crown for some drinks and a bit of a gamble !! was nice as we havent spent much time by our selves for awhile!

BBL after ive read back a page....

@#$# M just woke after 30 mins :o why does she do 2.5hrs on the weekend but 30 mins today...grrrrrrrr trying to resettle but im not liking my chances

I don't mind when bubs gets into a sleep routine, but it's when they do the 10hrs one night then less the next night that throws me. Olive - big :hug:

OP - Woot on the BF - I'm the same with Alex - I'll BF until he decides. Wow u r busy!! I don't think I could do 1/10th of what you do.. I need a nap after just reading about it.

Gotta go - Alex hasn't napped today, and he's crabby (well he's a man so they get really crabby)... finished the book - don't want to think about any more plots or subplots or situations, although i've started writing the sequel, which will keep me up at night as well. I was up at 2am this morning reading the first page, thinking about bl00dy time :-D now I have to write to the agents (which is scary)

Take care girls

OP- Thats great, you've got plan in place and at least that way she can wean when she is ready too. ABA should be able give you great advice on it. Df is bombers fan also, bit dissapointing they totally lost it in the last, my saints got up tho.

Malyna- you must be very passionate about your writning to keep yourself up so late at night. I hope to read it one day.

Olive- sounds like a nice anniversary date, did you win at crown? Pre kids I loved a flutter there but now rarely get to go.

Nai- I starting to think besides the real newborn stage this is the hardest age. They want to do everything and anything but just can't! They don't seem to realise limitations.

Meg- I feel for you, as u know Df has his night off every sat, I always wonder when is my time off. Like the weekend I worked sat morning, got home at 4 and he says ok see-ya and off he goes don't see him til 1pm the next arvo where he goes upstairs to catch up on sleep. We hardly see each other either. I'm going away tomor night kid free while he is on holidays I will make up some time for me.

This age is so tiring, seriously can't turn my back for second, Em climbs on everything now and gets stuck, we went to MIL's for dinner last night haven't been there for months, she usually comes here. And omg all I did was flollow Em everywhere, non baby proof houses are terrible at this age, I couldn't enjoy myself cause I'd sit down for a min and have to chase her again and she'd crack it.

bugger Malyna i was thinking it was you with the sleep school but it was holly :doh: sorry hun!
woohooo about the book! and awesome that you;ve started the sequel!
i agree with the differing amounts of sleep :hug:

shell i agree with you, you do have it tough with DF coming and going as he pleases! thats rough that hes off for that lond :o id throttle him, oh and make lots of noise the next day!
oohhhhh maybe next time strip all the beds so he cant sleep in them!!
i won $20 but DH lost $100

ARM M has a runny nose, will be a long one tonight i think and the no night feeds might be over tonight :(

Shell - my writing is the only thing that is keeping me going at the moment - if I didn't have that I'd just want to curl up in a ball :-D

Hi all,
Once again being a bad buddy!!!:redface: I do read just usually when I don't have timt to type back...so much to catch up on each time..

Not even sure where to start with perosnals!! Will try to remember

Malyna- Wooohoo on you rbook! What an achievement!! You must be so proud of yourself.
Olive- Hope Millie isn't sick for too long..catch up soon!!!
Shell- I understand about not getting any rest!!! L is so into everything too so hard I seriuosly don't remember DD being this much hard work!!

OP- Hope you ge some rest over easter, sounds like ur been a busy girl...Also just wanted to say I think it's such an achievement that u have been able to continue breastfeeding DD whilst being pregnant.. You mentioned the colostrum, does your milk go completey back to colostrum towards the end of the pregnancy??? or is it like the transistional milk that you have after you give birth???

Nai- Did ur friend find the bike trailer?? also what type of balance bike did you have for DD1, i want to get one for DS for his second birthday...I know just getting over his first but I am trying no to leave things to the last minute like I normally do!!

Hello to everyone else!! I will try to keep up this time....

AFU- We are going well, L is sleeping better at night we have even had a couple of slept throughs!!! so i am feeling much better about that. Stilll not walking... Is L the only one??? I don't mind but I do wonder if it will be easier when he is not crawling, hoping he will put less in his mouth, yes he still does that not as bad but still most of the time... today I found a bugs leg in his mouth not sure where the rest of the bug went, not sure I want to know:sick:
DH calls him hoover!!! Our own personal vacuume, even though I vacuume up to twice a day now...:wall:

:rofl: at hoover pinny!! M was eating blue chalk today, before that it was tan bark and before that she was licking the water from a puddle!! this was all today!

Pinny - Miss J isn't walking either! We have an Aldi balance bike but you can get similar ones from wooden.net or Netti make them too and they stock them at bike shops. Target often have Thomas teh Tank Engine ones that are similar as well.

Pinny - DS isn't walking and I don't reckon he's that close either. He can stand by himself for a second or two if his legs are spread really wide appart :rofl: Otherwise he still needs to hold onto something and he's not climbing yet either (thank goodness!).

Malyna - IKWYM about staying up late to do your own thing to keep your sanity. I'm often up til 11pm (late for me lol!) and I always think I should be sleeping....

Lilima/Shell - :hug: for going solo girls. I hate it when DP has to work a day or even a few hours on the weekend. I look forward to weekends as a time when it won't be so full on so it really bothers me when it feels like a week day anyway.

Olive - YAY on having a day out to yourselves! Sounds like fun. Hope the other night went ok with DD2. DS is doing the awake for a couple of hours between 2 and 4am too :( Totally sucks! We've had a runny nose on and off for weeks here too but I suspect it's related to teeth. Didn't realise you were back at work hun, sorry :redface: how has it been?

Shell - glad you said that about this age. I have been thinking the same thing but have no other reference point for older kids. DS wants to do heaps, knows his own mind but can't. I feel like I'm always redirecting him away from stuff he can't do or touch. Good luck with the sewing! I can sew but the machine is in DS room so whenever I have a chance, he's in there sleeping!!

OP - So glad DD is sleeping longer stretches for you!

AFU - More teeth on their way. Pretty rough nights over the weekend but he went nearly 7 hours last night without a wake up and I'm still not feeding him overnight so those are positives. He is helping out in that regard though :rolleyes: because he keeps damaging my left nipple. So over feeding through pain. Don't know what to do about it. I'm reluctant to wean him fully cause I know bfing is still good for him and it's only 2-3 times a day now but geez it's painful :( I can't restrict his movement like when he was a newborn and he tends to pull up and down while feeding.

DP and I have started talking about when to have number 2 :o Don't get too excited though, it won't be for a while yet!!! Even talking about it is pretty full on.

kaz i volunteer at my local hospital ED 3 hours a week, so not reaaaaaaaaaly work!!
great news on not feeding!!
have your thought about seeing a LC about the nipple issues??

Hadn't thought about the LC :doh: Good idea. Barb found some who were willing to service my neck of the woods back when DS was a few months old - hope I still have that PM!

Kaz - J will walk when he's ready. MIL was telling me her physio had a daughter who didn't walk until she was 22mths - just didn't feel the need for it - there was nothing wrong with her.

Olive - volunteering is still working :-D I admire your energy levels!

Pinny - love the hoover comment - Alex goes up to various parts of one of our cats wiht his mouth open - i've got there in time a couple of times, when he's tried to do it to her bum - I don't even want to think what happens when I'm out of the room! he's had a few cat biscuits - now I know his secret to a shiny shiny coat.. I mean hair.

OP- That's for the tip about Mainly Music!! I looked it up and there's one starting near me in May so we're going to go!!

Shell- I think I would prefer a smaller playgroup too but they're all full up atm!! Awesome on the sewing! I am getting into it too! I have no idea how to sew but I have a sewing machine and am just making it up as I go along, pmsl. Next I'm going to make DD a skirt, well, try to anyway.

lilima- hope you get some time with your DH soon!! :hug:

Malyna- I'm so amazed at you writing a book! Well done to you!! That's awesome!!

Nai- DD is the same with the tantrums!! Arches her back and throws herself around, pinches me or hits if I try to move her away from something! Or if she is on the ground and gets the ****s she will storm off and sit down with her back to me and frown, pmsl. I just leave her be and wait for her to come to me for a cuddle when she's calmed down.

Olive- Awesome about the sleep!! I hope DD is heading that way but I won't get my hopes up, LOL.

Pinny- Yay on the better sleep!! Maybe they are all going to get better now they're one!! Woot!

Kaz- Ouch!! That doesn't sound good, hope a LC can help you out!! I know you said don't get too excited that you're think about another baby but I am!! LOL. Maybe we will be belly buddies again one day! If AF ever comes back that is, lol.

Ali- Where are you? Hope you're doing well!! And the beautiful girl too!

AFM- Well still going with the night weaning here, very gently. Last night was the first night we tried no feeds!! I didn't feed her before bed bc I thought she'd be awake in an hr anyway and I would feed her then for her last feed for the night. She always seems to wake about an hr after bed. But she slept straight through until 2am!! Unheard of here, she always wakes at least once before midnight!! DH resettled. Then woke up again at 4.30 and I fed her bc she hadn't had a feed for 12 hrs!! Then back to sleep until 7.30am!! Best sleep in a while!! So I think the night weaning is paying off, must have decided there's no point waking up if she's not going to be getting fed anyway. She was fine without having a feed, no tears :D I think it's really just a habit she's gotten into. Hopefully it just keeps getting easier from here but knowing her it won't, LOL.

woohooo heaven!!
i only feed after 4am as i figured shes gone near 10 hours.!
last night was crap, lots of wakeups as she has a cold but i didnt feed until 4am so she did well

Heaven - :leap: YAY DD!! That's a great sleep for her!! Glad the night weaning is working so far. I wish AF hadn't returned here yet!
Olive - Hope DD is better soon.

AFU - Well DS slept 7.5 hours straight last night. Started with very unsettled evening with lots of wake ups and screaming blue murder and re-settling but then we gave him panadol at about 11pm and he slept to 6:30am, fed (painfully!! lol) and then slept til 8:40am. Third time this week he's done a 7 hour sleep stretch :o Last night he didn't have his amber necklace on either so maybe it's not really doing very much after all?