How about virginia? That's kinda phonetically related ...

I've never heard a lulu called a mary before. Trill I thought your story of The Vagina Incident was hilarious...and thought provoking. It seems to imply that teaching our daughters about their bodies early helps them in the self-respect stakes later on...?

My problem with using the word vagina is - it's technically not the correct word for most DD-related usage...you're usually referring to their vulva. But teaching vulva is just way OTT. Until they get a bit older. I'm saving up choice morsels for the no-details spared birds and bees 303 session DD1's gonna get sometime over the next year or so .

Cass all that ocean and fresh air must be doing you good.

Arte - we have rhododendrons but they are mostly small shrubby things, the big ones only grow in cool moist areas. And NO WAY are you approaching middle age. I believe I am the oldest person in this thread... and despite my menopausal-threat I am no where near middle age...AND I've loved gardening all along. So there.