So Nelle do you think God shows Himself in beautiful creation? :-)
So Nelle do you think God shows Himself in beautiful creation? :-)
I wouldn't prove myself if I was God, not in a public way anyway. Being able to have faith, to believe in something that you cannot see, I believe to be very special. God has proved himself to me many times in many different ways.
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Dianne
Wouldn't it depend on what kind of god you were? If you were a vengeful god of the old testament-type you probably wouldn't, but perhaps a new testament god would? I think that an answer to this question, Bath, would fundamentally be determined by whether you believed in a personal god or an impersonal one - the interventionist-type or the watcher god...
Yes, I agree RoryLooking for a variety of answers... just to gain some new perspective. I often read in other threads a frustration and strong desire for some kind of proof of God's existence before some members will commit to belief... so I was just wondering if those members had given any thought to what the ramifications of proof might be?
Personally I feel ambivalent about God proving himself to me or the world. I think it does better things for my soul to accept that I won't know one way or the other while am alive. It's frustrating but good in that it forces me to relinquish control of the situation. It forces me into a position of humility. This is just speaking for me personally. I think about this nearly every day... and my mind swings like a pendulum... do I need to know/ Don't I need to know? Back and forth. Intuitively it feels slightly better accepting that I don't need to know.
The old testament and new testament God are the same.
I'm thinking that bc God knows everything and He's chosen not to prove Himself then there must be some pretty good reason why not that we can't understand. SO then if I was God I would have that knowledge and therefore not prove myself either if that makes sense??
Noted, but I was more suggesting that if you subscribe to one testament more than the other your views would be different (ie: a Jew who follows the OT would have different thoughts on the matter than, say, a gay Uniting Church Minister (do they ordain gay priests, or is it the Anglicans?) who is presumably more NT in their leanings).The old testament and new testament God are the same.
I actually think God has already done plenty to prove his existence. How everyone interprets that seems to vary (and some don't believe at all).
Maybe this is more about proving something to yourself than about having it proven to you. For example, how do you know your child loves you before they can tell you, or before they really understand what they're telling you?
Personally, from a faith perspective, I think the onus is on me, not on God ("think not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" sort of thing!).
Yes, very good points Jennifer. It has also occured to me that in the NT it is written that the son of God (Jesus) will return in a tangible way at some point... and then alluded to life on Earth changing forever... so I guess that's the thing... we can't know life as it is today AND have God proven to us... it's just not a compatible situation.
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