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    You are very thoughtful Lilas...

    I believe (as Nelle said there are some JW's in our community no doubt who will correct me)
    that
    * it is important to name God as Jehovah
    This is true, its not because we have named him as such though, its because the God of the hebrew scriptures is named 'Jehovah'
    In hebrew its YHWY (Yahwey) and this name can be found in many bible translations at Psalm 83:18. I had the experience when i was first studying the bible with the JWs (20years ago) My best friend and flatmate refused to accept that Gods name was Jehovah. I assured her it was in the bible but she jsut laughed and said that JW's made it up. Well, my friend had an old family heirloom, it was a very old king james pocket version of the bible handed down to her by her Irish Catholic great grandmother. I opened it up to Psalm 83:18 and there it was "That Men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the msot high over all the earth"

    she wasnt happy lol

    * to "witness" (by going door to door & speaking about Jehovah to those that you come in contact with)
    This is true. Its in harmony with the command that Jesus gave his diciples before he returned to heaven at Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20*teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU."
    We take that command seriously which is why we go door to door. This is actually the method that Jesus sent his diciples out also which is found at
    Luke 10:1-6
    10 After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come. ...5*Wherever YOU enter into a house say first, ‘May this house have peace.’ 6*And if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him


    * the literal interpretation of both the old testament & the new testament are taken. Though I am not clear on why that means that JW's eat pork etc. No doubt someone will help me with that too.
    Not everything is taken literally in the OT or NT. For instance, we do view the tree in eden as literal, but we dont view it so literally that we think it gave Adam and Eve special knowledge from God or that they became like God. But we do view the flood as literally happening and we view the crossing of the red sea as literal.
    The dietry restrictions of the mosaic law are not followed because the mosaic law was made obsolete when Jesus arrived. A new covenant was made in which the old covenant was no longer required....hence why we dont observe the sabbath.

    * only Jehovah should be celebrated & thus birthdays should not be celebrated.
    Birthdays are not celebrated because they have a religious origin to them. The jews, nor ancient hebrews, nor Jesus or the christians ever celebrated birthdays because they were in fact a religious celebration of pagan nations. The hebrews were told not to adopt the pagan practices which explaines why Jesus never celebrated his birthday. The christians continued to observe that requirement and so we also observe it.

    * as it is believed by some that the time of the year that Christmas is celebrated was adopted from the old religion and the Sabat of Yule - Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas as it is seen as a pagan festival...
    this is true...christmas was originally the roman celebration of the birth of the Sun (sound familiar?)
    Also, Dec 25 is not the date of Jesus birth, Nor did Jesus ask us to celebrate his birth....the early christians never celebrated his birth so nor do we.

    * AI also beleive that there is quite a large amount of study on the last book of the bible and thus the apocolyptic side of this. I actually find that fascinating...
    Yes this is true. We believe that the book of Revelation explains the events that will take place in 'the last days' including the destruction of Gods enemy Satan the devil and the restoration of the earth and its inhabitants to endless perfect life in a paradise earth.
    Rev 21:3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4*And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

    * That Jesus will come again & there will be paradise on Earth
    Yes, this is a teaching that is found throughout the bible. The prophets of the hebrew scriptures mention such an earthly paradise, its spoken of in the Psalsm as being Gods purpose of mankind and its where mankind started out...in the garden of Eden which was a paradise.

    Jesus told the criminal next to him "And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”
    Jesus told those listening in the sermon on the mount at Matt 5:5“Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth"
    Psalm 37:29 says “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”

    * The passover though is celebrated as in keeping with the following of the old testament
    Not quite. The passover is the jewish celebration to do with their salvation from Egyption bondage. We celebrate the 'memorial of Christs death' which is celebrated on the same day as the passover because it is the day Jesus died. On the last passover that Jesus celebrated, he instituted a new celebration and told his diciples to keep doing it in rememberance of him.
    The account is found in Luke 22:14*
    At length when the hour came, he reclined at the table, and the apostles with him. 15*And he said to them: “I have greatly desired to eat this passover with YOU before I suffer; 16*for I tell YOU, I will not eat it again until it becomes fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17*And, accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves; 18*for I tell YOU, From now on I will not drink again from the product of the vine until the kingdom of God arrives.”
    19*Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body which is to be given in YOUR behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20*Also, the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf


    later the Apostle Paul spoke about the christian celebration of the memorial at 1Corinthians 11:23*thus showing that it had become a celebration commemorating Christs death which they did yearly on the anniversary of his death.
    For I received from the Lord that which I also handed on to YOU, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was going to be handed over took a loaf 24*and, after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body which is in YOUR behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 25*He did likewise respecting the cup also, after he had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, as often as YOU drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26*For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives
    Last edited by Peg; May 14th, 2010 at 01:56 PM.