Kerry: I agree and congratulate you on your spirit of inclusiveness regarding Patch. He/she obviously thinks about spirituality probably more than he/she will admit to and this has motivated him/her to participate in this post. If he/she was truely confident in his/her beliefs, or should I say non belief then our thread would more likely have been ignored altogether.

I also agree with SaraJane and can't ignore the inflamitory remarks Maybe Patch hasn't actually read our thread in its entirity otherwise he/she would realise that those remarks stand out like a sore thumb and would be ignored as irrelevant to our discussion, be in breach of the moderator's recommendations of respect given the highly sensitive nature of the discussion and... most of all.... prove our point that having a belief system (be it Christian, Jewish, or even Wicca) is more likely to result in respecting the ideas of others with beliefs. Being rude simply contradicts the point that you don't have to be a Christian to have manners. Plain and simple: Patch is the only non believer to have made a comment in this thread and is also the only one to have said something inflamitory and disrepectful. Putting other people's beliefs down is a pretty poor strategy if you really desire any credibility. Still, if Patch is willing to post respectfully i agree that his/her contributions are most welcome. I am perfectly ok with having my own belief system questioned