A spirtual look at loss

[MelbourneGirl]

I just want to say thank you so very much for this thread. I am currently pregnant with my first baby - but have lost three angels along the way. I believe that my angel babies are waiting in heaven for my DH and I, and are looking out for the baby brother/sister now growing inside of me. I truly went through very dark periods after the loss of each baby - I remember all too well crying to DH that all I wanted was a baby. I too tried to look it all in a spiritual way, I think that it helped me to cope.
After my third loss I too went and saw a psychic - she told me that my next pregnancy would be OK - that this baby is a boy (though we are not finding out the sex - after all that we have been through we felt that we want a surprise at the end), and that he will be healthy. So far, she has been correct. She also recommended that I see a naturopath - which is what I did, and I truly credit my naturopath with helping me to get pregnant with this bub.

[diva det]

scooby they are beautiful words.
We have to rely on our hearts to guide us- as that is the only thing that we have control over!!!
I am just having trouble convincing DH what my heart is saying is the right thing to do!!
Our maternal instinct is soo stong that nothing is going to stand in its way!!! and you are only doing an injustice to try
I was speaking to friends who have dececided not to have anymore children and i asked them how they knew that what they had was enough. Some of my friends have even had m/c after their last children. They told me that they knew when there family was complete just was much as they knew when it wasn't. My friend that had a m/c last year knew when she was done is not going back anymore. You just know she said!!

That is what keeps me trusting how i feel is the right thing.
so until all options are exhausted- i guess we all have to keep on trying!!!!!
thank god we have each other on here to keep each other sane and things in perspective!!!

[Penny]

Thanks Scooby so much for starting this thread. The poem you quoted is beautiful and made me cry... Also thanks to Lynn for sharing the uplifting story from the Babycatcher and for everyone else's contributions in this thread.
I had a missed miscarriage in July and looking at things in a spiritual way has made it a lot easier for me to cope. I also went to a phsycic after my loss and the reading was so good for my soul! She said that we are very priviliged that our little angels chose us even though it was only for a very short time and we never got to hold them. I also believe that they are around us and stay with our family forever whether we can see them or not.
She also said that we will have another one and that it will not be the same soul and that the next pregnancy will be ok and that there will be nothing wrong with the baby.
I definitely feel that there is another little soul waiting to be born into our family (and I have always felt it, not just after the miscarriage) - our family does not feel complete yet!

[~StarBright~]

Hi ladies- its been awhile, but i was having another *think* i am going out on a limb here- but i have a way out thought i would like to run by you..ok here goes....

You know how medical tech \nology has changed alot in the fact that people who would have normally died natuarlly are still living... well for me who is one to beleive in re incarnation and a path for spirits, i started to think maybe, just maybe so many m/c etc that are unexplained occur perhaps because the spirit is still being held in the body being kept alive?
Does anyone follow me?

Like all is set for the spirit to pass on- but then medical technology kicks in and the flow is alterd- but the universe was already preparing the next body for the spirit and when the spirit remains in the origial body- the new body being rpepared is dis carded.

Not that i am against all medical technology, but do you get the idea?

just a thought i wanted to share- so if it offends anyones beleifs or opinions

Starbright

[scooby]

I like that starbright, i think you could have a point.
Ive been geting into quantum physics (or as much of it as i can understand) and i do think we are all just pure energy in a human form like a big pool of electrons and hadrons etc. and when we die we enter the collective energy field and then in rebirth that energy is once again drawn back together to form a new soul, its all very interesting and i think it is so good to share your thoughts with like minded people because i love to challenge what i believe it takes you to a new level dont you think? Thanks for keeping this thread running starbright i would love to keep it up as i think it puts a good positive spin on things and takes the mind to another place.

[~StarBright~]

Thanks, i agree! Its interesting about the science of it- i never got into science too much- but i sort of see it as an explanation for all things- including the "magical" unknown stuff- is it true that there are elements still unknown on the periodic table- like gaps that we know need to be filled- but we dont know exactly what they are?

[fi1980]

This is an interesting thread and right up my ally! A few years ago I had a reading which was brilliant, spot on. she said that DF and I were lovers in a past life and he had vowed to love me forever which was why, despite the problems we were having and me not wanting to be in a long term relationship at the time, he was still determined to hang on and convince me otherwise - which of course he did! He simply refused to let me go and I'm so glad now that he hung on as we are so happy and I just know we were destined to be together.

I think we all have different thoughts and beliefs and there is no right or wrong way to look at things, we all believe what we do because it is right for us and helps us through the journey of life. At this stage I'm not too sure what to think about my angel - is s/he waiting to come back to me sometime soon? I hope so! But maybe it had a greater calling, maybe it was destined for something else or maybe I just wasn't ready, I just dont know. I think I would like to have another reading done soon to see if it sheds any light on the situation. Often modern medicine doesn't give us any answers so it would be nice to get some answers somewhere, to know why my little angel wasn't destined to enter the world just yet and whether I will ever get to meet them again.

Life is hard sometimes and we all need hope and I believe that spirituality gives us this hope and gives us some answers to bring us peace. I like to think that everything happens for a reason so I trust that this difficult time is just something that I am meant to go through and that it is preparing me for whatever lies ahead. One thing is for sure, I know I will be so much more grateful when I do eventaully have a baby in my arms - I will truly feel like the luckiest woman in the world. Prior to my loss I didn't think too much about anything and just assumed that everything would be fine. Now I know how precious life is and how easily it can be taken from us. It is a tough but extremely valuable lesson to learn.

Fi

[Penny]

Fi - I couldn't agree with you more!!
Scooby and Starbright - I would like to keep this thread going as well. I think it is very interesting to hear other people's spin on things. I have been interested in spiritual "stuff" for decades now and isn't it interesting how quantum physics/science and spiritual concepts have been moving closer together lately?

[~StarBright~]

Yeah, i am definatley happy to keep this thread open too,

Hello to everyone!

Penny... I think its all very interesting! I watch alot of docos on sbs and abc and science answers alot of things. I also think that astrology (i think or astronomy i get confused) plays a big part- the stars and their positioning etc influencing people and things and i guess just energy in general. I know that energy exists in all forms- you can feel tension in the air kind of energy and stuff like that interests me too.

I have to admit i laugh some days at all of societies little knick knacks like mobile phones etc where you can contact ppl anywhere anytime and i think to myself- i am sure that if we put our minds to it we can do that ourselves, with our own energy and our own minds. Like telepathy. Apprently humans only use 10-20% of their brain capasity- i start to wonder if all these little gaps dont all point in the same direction and all fit together! There is some spooky stuff going on in this world that so many people just overlook!!

In my opinion it sort of revolves around religion a bit which can become a tad of a taboo topic for the world to agree on and it halters the way people percieve science. I hope one day we can fingure it all out, so then maybe we wouldnt have to wonder about or angels, we would know for sure where they are and if they are coming back.

I'm not sure if i have explained my mind, body soul theory in here- i will again just in case.....

It goes like this- as people (this applies to animals too ) we are made up of our
Body- our DNA and physical attributes from our parents genes
Spirit- our little bit of the universe which is connected to all things and guides us and is our essence,
Mind- the combination of the body and the spirit as well as environment and influences etc
As i have said before i beleive in reincarnation so the sprits keep flowing in and out as they pass through bodies and create new minds.. ??? Does that make sense?I have an extension to the theory-.......
I have an idea there is sort of a balance and that there should be lots of different creatures roaming this earth at the one time- hence there are different groups of spirits to match- even through the earths history while some things have evolved they have maintained certain traits of their ancestors and i beleive the same spirits are flowing through- UNTIL>>>> now a days, there are soooo many humans and less and less other creatures that i think these other "animal" spirits have no choice but to become humans (call me a hippocrite, as i am TTC with sooo manu humans- just following my instincts!)
i honestly belive there are actually lots of groupings for spirits and that they stick together so whether i get my angels back in this life time as children or in another form or in another life in another form- we will be together again.

i am comforted to find that i am not the only one who sits at home and ponders life's mysteries, there have been a few interesting threads and thoughts and ideas to share in here- it has been nourishing for my soul!!

Thank you all and good night
Sweet Dreams
StarBright
xoxox

[scooby]

Woah Starbright its so funny because i have so many deep thoughts about all this stuff too adn my husband is a geophyscist so hes VERY science orientated and i tell him stuff and he looks at me like im an absolute freak it soo funny, cause i started thinkng maybe its just me so it fantastic to find someone else who thinks this way. The book im reading on Quantum is Schrodeingers cat, and it is all about how us observing something changes the outcome its really full on but i highly recommend it if you like reading. I also wanted to get hold of Jeung i would like to know more about his concept of collective conscience, it just all ties in and makes so much sense to me, in my mind (dont know about everyone else) the more i read about Quantum, spirtuality and homeopathics the more it all makes sense. Has anyone seen "What the bleep" and "down the rabbit hole" these are a great start to understanding the bigger picture? Its very exciting sharing this stuff

[Penny]

Scooby - that book sounds very interesting, I'll see if I can get a copy somewhere... It also reminds me of the famous quote by Wayne Dyer "If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." I reckon that is so true and now Quantum physics comes and proves it! Although I must say sometimes the explanations go a bit over my head...
I have seen "what the bleep", but a long time ago - I must look at it again...
Starbright - I like your mind, body, spirit theory! Also we often think of someone and then happen to run into them, that's not a coincidence and it is just so easy to overlook that kind of "spooky" stuff as you said.
I just love reading about those things in general to stretch the mind beyond the every day stuff that keeps us sooo busy... I recently literally stumbled on Esther Hick's books about 'Abraham' at Borders of all places. Very interesting!!!

[~StarBright~]

Hi everyone!
I have had MAJOR telepathic connections with my husband! We literally have conversations- but only when it is high tension situation and i need him or something.... there was the day of the snake, we lived out in the bush in a shack about 150 meters down the hill from the main house. Dh and i had spent the day hanging around in the pool (HOT summers day) and Dh was doing a bit of gardening etc.. where we live the sun disapeared before it went down- it went behind a HUGE mountain cliff face so it was about 4-30 when i decided i would walk down the hill home before it was too dark to see where i was going....Said good bye to DH, he said he was just going to have a beer with our neighbaours/landlords and he would be home for dinner, i said no worries see you then.....

i got home and made myself comfy on my couch with my cat on the arm of the couch and my dog on a chair to my left. I was busy writing in my journal absorbed in the page when my dog let off a sharp short little bark that i had never heard before. I looked up from my book to see a snake (a mere carpet snake... but wait and read on) slithering right for me. It was on the floor directly infront of the couch about 1-2 metres away. I JUMPEd and ran out the door- and then thought for a milisecond and went back in to get the cat and the dog- grabbed the cat, called the dog (who was now barking alot more) and sat outside. I watched this snake crawl up my couch to where i had been sitting, crawl up the couch turn around and go back down and then it followed my scent to the door, slid right across the door (our front door was all glass) and curled up at the only enterence to the house, waiting for me.

Now i had been home about 45 minutes, maybe an hour, i sent my DH the biggest almightiest heartfelt *#HELP#* get home now!! Mental Message i could muster. I was shaking, i was pacing up and down i felt sick, (Did i mention i am absolutely PETRIFIED of snakes??!!LOL)
then all of a sudden i got this warm feeling and everything was ok, and i knew he got my message and he was coming, so i waited....... He still didnt come, so i sent another Baby this is serious, somethings wrong- its not just dinner time mate, come on..... and just kept pestering him with my mind. Within 2 mintues he came running down the hill saying, "Whats wrong??? These guys think im crazy cause i reckon somethings wrong..." I yelled "SNAKE" and they all came down and the boys pulled it out- It was cranky it went for DH and took it down the valley on the other side of the hill.

when we talked about it afterwards DH said he got the first message, and did actually try to get away with out making a big deal out of things, but then he couldnt get away - but when i kept pounding him he knew something was really wrong he had to say that he had to go NOW coz something was very wrong!!! Our land lady was right into it- saying how connected we are- DH just laughs and says Duh- thats why we are married! Do you thing it was just an accident or something? That stuff happens all the time! And it does!

I am again this month, hoping so much that this month will bring me happiness. It would be nice.

Please forgive me if this next peice seems random and doesnt make much sense....I have a thought that i cant put into words.. its not that it's emotionally hard to say- i just dont know how to explain what i am thinking... i will give it a go,
I am sort of thinking about star signs and stuff and how i link them to spirits, i would love to beleive that i am getting my little angels back and i start to over analise and think that in order to do so- they need to be concieved at around the same time IYKIM But then if i take it as far as Chinese atrology then it means i will need to wait at least 12 years???? Or then do i think that me loosing them was all part of These Little Angles paths and then when ever they come back to me is aprt of a plan and i just need to trust that it will all happen when and how it is meant to......

I think too much!

Thanks for listening to my ramble
StarBright
xoxox

[scooby]

Thats awesome Starbright you must be really connected. I laugh because DH has definately got some form of physic ability he has dreams about stuff and very intutitive but he completely denies it, which is so funny. Starbright i to have decided to join the TTC this month im day 15 although my eptopic was only 6 weeks ago but my cycle seems back to normal and pretty sure i O'd last month and this one so for both of us BFP by christmas thats my goal (even with one tube hee hee) Thinking lots of +ive thoughts and been doing some reiki on my tum. Did you read the charting with lunar cycle thread its V. interesting and worth a go i reckon, this could be connected to what you were saying about the starsigns etc. im waiting for someone to PM the details and i will pass them on.

[~StarBright~]

Thanks scooby, i seem very intune with the lunar cycle so i will have a geezer. I seem to fall 5 days after a last quater so i am in full blown AF by the full moon- since my early m/c i have been a bit off- that month was also the month of the lunar eclipse- strangley enough1 wont forget that ina hurry
i will go check out the thread- i'll keep watch for the info!

Good luck with your trying this month scooby, may we get our xmas wishes!!
xoxo

[scooby]

Hi everyone
Had to share my dododododod (scary music) moment with you all. i went to pick my nana up the other day and she lives in a retirement village. DS is obsessed with numbers and numbers of houses (hes 4) and as we were driving in he said to me " the man in number 6 drives aeroplanes" i didnt think much of it as he had never met anyone in the village. My nana got in the car and i said who lives in number 6 and i told her what he had said and she went on to tell me he flew aeroplanes during the war How bizarre we spent the day trying to figure out how he would know the man and couldnt ??????

[STARRYSKY]

wow sccoby, amazing the things kids come up with!!
I have the opinion that kids do know/see/feel/hear things that we as adults have tuned out as we grew up iykwim?
or even the possibility of a past life connection, if you believe that sort of thing.

[~StarBright~]

deerdeenrdeeneener
That was supposed to be freaky music- have you asked him (your little boy)why he knows? Maybe give it a go and see what he says... poke a bit and be really open (as i know you are) to his answer- i would love to know what he says.....

[NaeNae]

oohhh ladies I have chills from reading all your stuff - Starbright thats so amazing, Scooby - I had a friend once tell me that kids are often more open to things (a little medium type stuff) because their minds are not yet closed to the possibilities of the unexplainable.

I am going to go off on a bit of a tangent because I want to know what everyone makes of this;

a week before I started to mc I had a lucid dream, I was out shopping with Nell (best friend) and I put down my baby son, I turned to say something to Nell and looked back to my son and he was gone and I was beside myself running all over the place, the last thing I remember was someone saying ' I am sorry to hear about your loss' then the dream goes back to being one thats all random.

then the mc happened - 17 days of heavy bleeding horrible cramps then nothing for a week - then I bled again for a week - then a week off - then it started again (by this stage I went back to the doctor) just before the doctors appointment I went to the toilet and as I wiped there it was - on the paper this little semi recognisable blob, at first I didn't know what it was so I turned it over and as I did this strange feeling came over me went to the doctor and all he said was hopefully thats it now, all over and done with. It took 40 something days for it to leave me from the time i started to mc - should have had a curette

Anyways (sorry detoured a little) the night before last I had another lucid dream I was at a shopping centre holding the most beautiful and angelic looking baby girl - she was really hanging on to me and was really smoochy and cuddly and I felt this strong feeling of love come over me followed by a really strong smell of baby (you know the smell I mean, the nice one not the pooey one) I could touch her and kiss her then my alarm pulled me from my dream and as I was walking through my house to the bathroom I could still see, feel and smell her.

I told a very trusted friend about my dream and she said that 'she' will come soon and she had a hard time leaving me the first time round.

Ladies, what do you think? I kid you not if I close my eyes I can still see her perfect little face.