Thanks for the reply Jac. Trust me i have tried all the other ways. Even had CYH on the phone about 10 times one night as i tried the shhhh technique they suggest and it just seems like nothing works. That is a good idea to turn bella on her side away from me and pat. If i go back to that i will def try that one. I am just feeling like i dont have the energy to do it any more, i just dont know what to do and loosing all my confidence with mothering now.