Thanks Willow, i try to be concious of all the numbers with the boys but not so much myself (and therefore DD). I will try giving it a go.

I have gotten to the 12 month mark and can no longer just go with it hoping it will get better or just accepting it is her. I need to try something and if then after that i still have the same situation then i may be better at accepting it's her. She is so different to my boys and i know she's allowed to be in every way but i struggle so much with the amount of waking she does, i'm getting a little worked up and anxious about it all. When she woke up this afternoon after another 1/2 hour sleep (house relitively quiet, DS2 in bed, DS1 and i having quiet time together) i just wanted to scream as i'm just so furstrated at the situation and want change.

Of course none of us are really crappy mothers , MadB you know me i have a habit of blaming myself when it comes to DD's sleep. Who knows if i'm expecting too much from her but i have to try something for both of our sakes.

Had a chat to DH about everything and for now we'll wait and try and talk to a few of the public places next week, obviously not having to spend $$ will be a plus but if we have to i will. It's definately tempting knowing that they'd be able to come out next week. We are going away for two weeks on the 16th so there really is no use in trying to do anything before that. I'll have two weeks of a slightly different routine to what we have going now. Just going to do my best to relax and enjoy being away though

Thanks for all your help xo