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Um... funny enough, the ones I've listed are. Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, Yeast syndrome and anorexia can all be classified under mercury poisoning. Even the cancer case was a case of bowel cancer in my grandfather on my mother's side, he had IBS that was made worse by the fact he drove the old double decker buses around all day and didn't take as many toilet breaks as he should have. My sisters and I were the first generation to be vaccinated, but we weren't vaccinated until we were 5 and only received the old DTP and polio. I was the only one vaccinated for MMR.
I've excluded the youngest generation above (which are our kids), but out of the 10 kids in this generation, all aged 13 and under and 9 of which have been vaccinated as babies, we have one case of autism, one case of aspergers, one IBS, and one juvenile onset type 1 diabetes, one case of mild OCD - no other issues though, we don't even get eczema but perhaps that's a bad thing because again that would be an excreting thing. Anyway, that's a very drastic increase in issues that also related to toxic load. Funny enough, I am the one, having had more vaccinations, that has the child with the most serve syndrome of autism, and the only male out of that number to be vaccinated, my nephew, has the type 1 diabetes - just more reason for me to not want to vax my son. And do you know what's funny? Several of my friends had babies two weeks either side of me. They all vaccinate - even when they have contradictions like being sick or having an egg allergy. Every one of those babies has had at least two colds, some others have had gastro as well, in the last seven months - and even when being around them (because they don't remove themselves from social gatherings when ill) my son has never even had a sniffle. I am actually in shock that they think it is normal for babies to be this sick in their first year of life, and after seeing what the yeast in a piece of toast did to my poor babies bottom, there is no way I'm sticking anything that has yeast in it in his veins!
Interestingly, we don't grey much, particularly the women in our family. My grandmother's hair was still 80% blonde when she died at 93, my mother's hair is still red as anything at almost 70. I wonder if this has something to do with not being able to excrete mercury through our hair that the melanin production is not hampered.
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97 when last it was quoted it was 47, time flies!! I didn't know that any of the reports of death had the vaccine confirmed as the cause in any of the investigations, do you know otherwise? (im not being sarcastic, if you know better that what I've read I want to know!)
And you obviously know a lot more about HPV than any of the scientists studying it. I'm not saying your not clever enough but I do doubt that you have looked into it that carefully, ie:
The global health burden of infection-associated c... [Int J Cancer. 2006] - PubMed result
I never referred to you as unwashed and I don't think that I'm prejudiced like that.
How did the human race survive without vaccinations? Not very well, many many people died. Populations were wiped out. I once heard that malaria has killed half of all the people that have ever lived, I can't give a reference for that. We prevent disease where we can with whatever tools we have. Can you imagine 3 billion dead by malaria alone? Can you imagine 180 million dead from a flu pandemic? (the 1918 spanish flu killed 3% of the population)
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I know your going to say that malaria and the pandemic flu don't have vaccinations, but that was part of my point. Try smallpox, with a mortality rate of up to 35%, 2 billion dead? Hows that for an apocalyptic story?
I heard that vaccines wiped out smallpox, are you going to claim that it was good diet and hygiene? You would want people to cover their mouths properly when they cough?
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I think it'd make a huge difference, don't you? Imagine if everyone followed proper hygiene procedures, and people didn't feel obliged to go to work when they were sick - things would be very different from today!
I don't think the idea of vaccines is the problem, it's the stubborn attitude in keeping them this way despite evidence that they're harming kids' health. Who cares if the evidence is anecdotal? Parents are the experts on their kids - they're the ones who see their kids get sick, withdraw, sometimes go into anaphylactic shock because of these vaccines. If they were really listened to, from a place of wanting to fix problems and not considering the financial cost at all, things would be different. But parents on the whole aren't respected by doctors, they're seen a hysterical attention seekers.
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You're right VAERS says only (insert sarcastic tone) 51 deaths as of March 2011 for America, 97 was the old world wide number of deaths, which has now significantly changed to be higher. I still can't believe that you would defend this vaccine based on a theory in the face of that death rate! Risks vs benefits. In order to make the benefit worth it, the risk must be less. There are now at least 51 girls dead who will never be able to get married, have children of their own, a career, all to stop them from the very small possibly that they may have developed cervical cancer many years down the track.
Yes I have looked into it, and there is a big difference between saying something may be a factor and saying something is a direct cause. It's misleading.
So I see your study:
HPV in the etiology of human cancer
And raise you:
MMS: Error
E6-Associated Protein Is Required for Human Papillomavirus Type 16 E6 to Cause Cervical Cancer in Mice
SpringerLink - Cancer Causes and Control, Volume 22, Number 1
We haven't all died from swine flu yet, despite all the hype and the push for the vaccination. You did know they are pretty much the same thing, right? H1N1
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You make a great point but I ask you do you know when your child is sick? Do you know when your infectious? People carry around diseases for years and don't know they have them. Do you correctly diagnose your child, know when they are infectious and for how long? If you do your amazing, if you don't your making a pretty good effort anyhow and should be congratulated! If I don't work I don't get paid, my kids don't eat. Don't get me wrong, I'm good with infection control, I do my best but I don't think its quite that simple.
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Unless you work casual or for yourself, you'd have sick leave, and I think most people would prefer you to stay home when you're sick, particularly considering what your profile says your job is... explains a lot actually - I don't want a nurse coughing on me thanks. No, you can't always tell when they are infectious, but people these days are bringing their kids out when they are obviously sick. Snot hanging from their nose, obviously lethargic. I've had mum's grab my son to give him cuddles then say they have to go because their sick kids are waiting in the car - what are you doing touching my infant son then! As inertia said, a little bit of consideration goes a long way.
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People can be infectious when they feel healthy. Or they can think they have a minor illness like a cold which is actually a very nasty illness so just saying stay home when you feel sick is a bit simplistic. If we all stayed home every time we had a sniffle some of us would barely ever step outside especially in hayfever season.
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Regarding HPV, I think you'll find its a bit more than theory. I ask again, have any of the deaths been attributed to the vaccine? To my knowledge none have been, I'm not asking for a forensic report, just a "yes, I read that most of the cases were proven... etc".
I had a look at your links, thanks. A snippet here, I know your going to say is out of context, but "The causal role of human papillomavirus (HPV) in all cancers of the uterine cervix has been firmly established biologically and epidemiologically.".
For those at home, the two studies talk about how the HPV virus is part of what causes cervical cancer but that there must be another trigger. Not news to me because I know that not all HPV infections cause cancer, BUT I guess the theory is that if you take away the HPV virus by immunising then even if you do get exposed to the trigger then you won't get cervical cancer (Only HPV related cervical cancer mind you, only about 2/3rds of all cervical cancers). I'm guessing Yeddi's 'better than a vaccination' cure for cervical cancer is to never catch HPV or get the trigger, great if you know exactly all of the triggers, not so great if you can't...
Er, no we didn't all die of the swine flu. Luckily H1N1 was very virulent (easy to catch) but pretty mild (great news if it didn't kill you or someone you know). This seasons mutation of the flu could be the same or it could be armageddon, we don't know. Time will tell.
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I realise it won't fix everything, but while you may be considerate and stay home or keep your kids home when they are obviously sick, not many do the same. I've been almost demonised at workplaces before, just for taking time off when I'm sick and contagious. It's not just a personal thing, it's a cultural thing, we're told to 'toughen up princess' if we confess to something being wrong. And then, if we dare go to the doctor about it, often we're told it's nothing, or it's all in our head. Our culture does not support a proactively healthy society - I would prefer to work on that before injecting my (hypothetical) children with anything, poisonous or not.
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I am a casual and my wife has very little sick leave, we have a mortgage. No, I don't cough on my patients, thanks for your concern.
Like I said I am good at infection control, I don't see many people around me who are so good...
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I totally support what your saying, but in the absence of a perfect world and infallible hindsight...
Addit: In a country where the number one killers are all lifestyle related, if you think you can wipe out disease by changing the culture, my hat goes off to you and I would do my best to help but you've got a big job ahead!
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I know
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Casual being the key word there.
Hyperbol, and very obviously biased support for a very new and highly profitable pre-approved vaccine. You aren't on anyone's books are you? And are you planning on taking the risk of having it when they roll it out for men?
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I haven't though about that... I guess considering how many lives could be saved, yes I would. Whats the risk again, were you going to tell me that all those people died directly as a result of the vaccine or the peanut oil in the vaccine?
Yes, indeed your right! Men in suits and wearing dark sunglasses (at night) drove up to my house with a suitcase full of money and a list of dodgy references and threatened to break my arms... That explains why its so hard for me to pay my bills...
I'm still not sure how all of the studies ever done showing that vaccines work and all the studies ever done showing vaccines to be causing bodies to be pilling up everywhere were fixed by big pharma, but I guess I'm just not imaginative enough! You never did tell me the story of how smallpox was eradicated after more than 10,000 years of terror?
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A lot of work is put into making vaccines safer, theyre a lot safer than they have been and will continue to be safer. Less toxic preservatives, less reactive antigens, nasal/oral delivery etc. Its just not an easy fix unfortunately.I know
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LOL, oh no, you first, I'm sick of the tangents and the onus being only on me to explain my statements. You have missed heaps of points and have only focused on the ones that you think make your case stronger, so I'll sit and wait while you go back and cover all those points you've missed expanding on. If you want you can start with somehow (I'm sure you'll pull it out of somewhere no matter how much of a leap it is) in justifying why rotavirus vaccine was contaminated and why they've left it in there. You've also conveniently left out how the HPV is useless if your already sexually active.
As for the HPV vaccine, isn't it interesting how a casual relationship is enough to say HPV causes cervical cancer but casual relationships between incidents and vaccinations mean nothing. Hypocrisy!
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