Now PVC2 has also been found in Rotavirus Vaccine

[LizLemon]

seriously though, its great that u guys are on opposite end of the spectrum. theres no one person rampaging through the forum with a particular opinion on a topic, u meet halfway and are respectful to each other. and you are both giving us plenty to think about thanks.

Agreed (and subbing)!

[RockinSAHD]

LOL!! I would definitely end up with coffee on my head! Every time!

...Research that they are very unlikely to do because they've already claimed it as safe, and unless something makes them (like people not taking it up, or suddenly people start getting very sick and they can't somehow find a way to refute it as just being just coincidence) they most probably wont ever do any.

Sort of. To put things in perspective, there are virus fragments everywhere, through everything we do every day, covering us, inside our bodies, everywhere. There are probably billions of kinds of living viruses and bacteria that we've not named yet because they're not important to us and they live on and around us (and sometimes inside our bodies). We only isolate them and test for them when they become important for us because we need them or because they hurt us. There is just no way that we could catalogue them all and really no reason to unless they help us or make us sick.

[Yeddi]

Hmm... that is a point, and this vaccines does have one saving grace is that it is oral. If it was injected I think that would be a differently kettle of fish. At least this one has to be processed by the gut. Then again, it raises questions regarding gut flora, and what effect it might have if there is a yeast imbalance, as yeast overgrowth can effect the ability to envelope bacteria and viruses. There also has been recent studies in Japan and China that show that DNA particles can fuse together with the membranes of our body cell membranes, continuously destroying cells once introduced into the body. Once they interact with the body’s cellular structure, they cannot be removed.

Tell me Rockin, what difference would it make to come into contact with virus particles through normal environmental means verses being exposed to it via vaccine with adjuvants? Yes, that is a loaded question...

[RockinSAHD]

There also has been recent studies in Japan and China that show that DNA particles can fuse together with the membranes of our body cell membranes, continuously destroying cells once introduced into the body. Once they interact with the body’s cellular structure, they cannot be removed.
Tell me Rockin, what difference would it make to come into contact with virus particles through normal environmental means verses being exposed to it via vaccine with adjuvants? Yes, that is a loaded question...

Hmmm, there are DNA particles all through our bodies, our own DNA and foregin DNA. I'm sure the tiny amount from a vaccine would be mopped up pretty fast and I didn't know that our own DNA could go rouge and become dangerous, but I learn new things every day.

Are you going to tell me what would happen with vaccine+adjuvant? Or just leave me hanging on?

[Yeddi]

Oh, no no no. We aren't going down this line again, where I provide evidence to back up what I say, and you sit there trying to pick holes in it - trying to discredit it - all the while never really providing any counter-evidence of your own to actually back up your claims. To be honest, you've already started, only picking apart the pig study while never showing any studies that show that PCV2 have been found in humans (or even virus particles - so we can address people's concerns by providing details, not one sentence write offs) and are not a problem - at the moment all we've got is your word on it. Surely there are studies/medical books which show this and that you have access to that you can provide us with.

I'm giving you the opportunity the actually participate in a discussion by providing credible information to discredit information you don't agree with.

[Catastrophic]

ooohh i love a Yeddi vs RSAHD thread. i learn heaps. u guys could seriously talk for hours over a cuppa. (although the cuppa might go cold)

I'd like to be a fly on the wall during this coffee date! Hehe!

Agreed (and subbing)!

Mee too! Going to grap a coffee an sit back and watch :-)

[Yeddi]

This one goes with the pig study.

Porcine Circovirus type 2 (PCV2) causes apoptosis in experimentally inoculated BALB/c mice

This one that shows the whole virus isn't needed to cause damage

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15956572

Edit:
And I just found this one - which was absolutely shocking to me and has now given me a huge conflict of bias because it's become very emotive for me now. My father died from BOOP, as a pre-teen I slowly watched him die of hypoxia - going slightly mad - over three years. We were told it was a rare disease - but apparently it's not so rare in pigs infected with PCV2 which is a causation for the disease - why the hell would I ever risk sticking particles of this disease in my children just to stop them getting gastro, an illness neither has ever had despite not being vaccinated for it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20976305

[RockinSAHD]

This one goes with the pig study.
Porcine Circovirus type 2 (PCV2) causes apoptosis in experimentally inoculated BALB/c mice
This one that shows the whole virus isn't needed to cause damage
Characterization of a previously unidentified vira... [J Virol. 2005] - PubMed result

Edit:
And I just found this one - which was absolutely shocking to me and has now given me a huge conflict of bias because it's become very emotive for me now. My father died from BOOP, as a pre-teen I slowly watched him die of hypoxia - going slightly mad - over three years. We were told it was a rare disease - but apparently it's not so rare in pigs infected with PCV2 which is a causation for the disease - why the hell would I ever risk sticking particles of this disease in my children just to stop them getting gastro, an illness neither has ever had despite not being vaccinated for it.
Bronchiolitis obliterans organizing pneumonia in S... [J Biomed Biotechnol. 2011] - PubMed result

Honestly, you keep me so busy looking at the studies your posting. I'll look into PCV2 in humans but I may have been wrong after all, this is a study that tried to infect human cells with PCV2 (PCV1 and a few other related viruses) but showed that the viruses weren't able to replicate using human cells as hosts (so the virus will just die if it gets into a human cell).
http://www.sochinf.cl/sitio/template...lares_2004.pdf

The first of your references above about mice says the same thing, the virus invaded the mice cells and the cells died (which is a good thing for mice or humans but not for the virus). The second study you've misunderstood. Viruses cannot infect a host if they aren't intact, no fragment or even intact DNA or RNA will get into a cell to invade it without the virus coat (caspid), take a look at the wiki, especially the life-cycle:
Virus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats an awful story about your father, I'm really sorry to hear that.
BOOP (or COP as it's called these days) is an inflammatory disease, often part of rheumatoid arthritis or a chronic inflammatory disease. It can be triggered by a virus, but it can be triggered by any virus (very unlikely by PCV2 in humans) since the cause of the disease is the bodies own reaction. Blaming a virus is fair (the virus is causal) but any virus could trigger the response and avoiding exposure to any virus is 100% impossible unless you live in a bubble.
I've seen people die the way your father did, I can imagine how awful it was for you. I'm sorry.