Reply With QuoteThat must be an issue they have but they cannot forcibly exclude your child from enrollment because of vaccination status.
I have had all my children immunised.....why you ask..because as a child I wasnt immunised and i was always sick and even in adult hood I still suffer (my latest was shingles) but can I say that was because I wasnt immunised or that I was just a sickly child?
Yes I have a child with autism but his traits were there from birth. If I was educated to what extent I am now...I honestly dont know if I would immunise them again, especially him.
V is due for 4 yo needles next year....im deeply considering NOT doing it.
As Christy said...the though of all the synthetic stuff being pushed into the vein's of my children make me want to vomit. No amount of badgering or $$ for getting them immunised is worth it.
My parents immunised my brothers and sister when they were young, what happened...they all got TB bad and my second eldest brother almost died.
What also annoys me and has come to light in my head whilst writing this, the other 'stuff' that goes along with the needles. eg you child may get a fever so you give them panadol/nurophean to cope with it. Mine got rashed, so more chemical stuff for the out side. Its just like a big snow ball effect.
is it really worth it, in the end?
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That must be an issue they have but they cannot forcibly exclude your child from enrollment because of vaccination status.
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Just like to add a big thank you for this being a 'healthy discussion' instead of a thread that goes completely off track and not help my choice at all.
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Doudou... treat people with respect & be respected... and it doesn't help to throw out consipiracy theories about the government & drug companies. That's just being silly. The fact remains - there is no proven & repeatable links, only suspicions - which is not science, and therefore cannot be published in scientific papers.
As for the 'ingredients list', only two list the actual purpose of the ingredient, but none have their volumes used. Many things on the list are used in part for the production of many common food-stuffs. Sorbitol - an artificial sweetner most of us have had in confectionary at some stage, and I'm willing to bet in higher amounts than from a vaccine. Sulfates - had any dried fruit lately?? Methanol - by their own admission occurs naturally in some fruits... again, they only discuss the volume occuring in fruit. Let me add here, most vaccines are given in doses of less than 1ml! And you're meant to be worried about these ingredients that are likely to be in concentrations so low, you'd probably get more walking along side a busy road eating a bag of trail mix.
Murcury - interesting, and again - no volumes. Do you ever eat Salmon, Tuna, Swordfish, or shark (flake)? If so, you may be ingesting more in those fish than you'd be getting from a vaccination, especially if you eat it a few times a week.
My only advice is to be very careful what you read, and try to check the sources of that information. Make sure the information is both reliable, and current. Be critical of information from both sides, and look for errors/mistakes/omissions from their summaries & discussions.
In the end - the choice is entirely yours.
Entreat - would it be purhaps the mixture or ****tail of all these together that has people worried about the outcome on their children? Im not pulling the **** about this, I am generally interested?
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You make some great points there
Doudou... treat people with respect & be respected... and it doesn't help to throw out consipiracy theories about the government & drug companies. That's just being silly. The fact remains - there is no proven & repeatable links, only suspicions - which is not science, and therefore cannot be published in scientific papers.
As for the 'ingredients list', only two list the actual purpose of the ingredient, but none have their volumes used. Many things on the list are used in part for the production of many common food-stuffs. Sorbitol - an artificial sweetner most of us have had in confectionary at some stage, and I'm willing to bet in higher amounts than from a vaccine. Sulfates - had any dried fruit lately?? Methanol - by their own admission occurs naturally in some fruits... again, they only discuss the volume occuring in fruit. Let me add here, most vaccines are given in doses of less than 1ml! And you're meant to be worried about these ingredients that are likely to be in concentrations so low, you'd probably get more walking along side a busy road eating a bag of trail mix.
Murcury - interesting, and again - no volumes. Do you ever eat Salmon, Tuna, Swordfish, or shark (flake)? If so, you may be ingesting more in those fish than you'd be getting from a vaccination, especially if you eat it a few times a week.
My only advice is to be very careful what you read, and try to check the sources of that information. Make sure the information is both reliable, and current. Be critical of information from both sides, and look for errors/mistakes/omissions from their summaries & discussions.
In the end - the choice is entirely yours.
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Another great point! No wonder there is no deffenate answer. I think I made my mind up one minute and the next you ladies give me more to think about! Its great! Its what being a good parent means. To weigh up the best for your babies.
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I would be thinking that the difference is that the additives in vaccinations are man made and not naturally occuring like the Methanol in fruit? The problem lies within the fact that while yeah, you can be exposed to those toxins/substances by the food we eat and the water we drink, but you can avoid it by eating foods with no preservatives (we avoid sulphates here and don't eat large ocean going fish) and using organic produce, but with vaccinations you are introducing these toxins into a newborn baby with no immune system of their own kwim? Even in minute amounts is there any real need for a minutes old baby to have that stuff in their body? The Heb B vacc is an interesting one because there is absolutely no need for a baby to be vaccinated against it if that baby will not be in an at-risk environment. Hep b is a blood borne illness that really has no place among childhood diseases. So it's inclusion on the schedule has alwawys baffled me.
And with the food borne sources of mercury, we now know not to eat large amounts of certain fish and we do know that high levels can be detrimental to our health. We only know this as time goes on and more research is done.
I would probably be happy to vaccinate if there was a proper dosage to size ratio and if there were no carrier liquids used.
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At the end of the day you need to be ok with the choice you make. Both have risks, and potentially fatal risks, and what you have to do is be informed of ALL risks, and decide which risk you are going to take. Because if something happens, it's something you'll have to live with. If you vac and they have a reaction, don't vac and they contract a disease, fatal or not, its your choice.
We made our decision after a lot of research, we made our choice on the risk we choose to take and the decision we will have to stand within ourselves if anything happens.
All I can say is, you will need to wade through a lot of conspiracy therories on both sides to get to the truth. Hopefully someone can come through with some unbiased links with all the stats on immunising and not immunising.
It's hard, because no matter what you do you'll always find someone who thinks you're not making the right decision. As long as you know you've got the facts and are making the right choice for you and your family, thats what counts. The right decision is an unbiasedly informed decision.
(BTW, unbiasedly might not be a real word hahaha!)
Last edited by Indadhanu; December 12th, 2009 at 01:26 PM.
crap I didnt even know that!
wow this really has given us mums a lot to think about!
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I have been respectful i have not questioned why people have vaxed their children, yet we have a few threads at the moment where those of us who choose not to have been questioned and called bad parents for making OUR choices.Doudou... treat people with respect & be respected... and it doesn't help to throw out consipiracy theories about the government & drug companies. That's just being silly. The fact remains - there is no proven & repeatable links, only suspicions - which is not science, and therefore cannot be published in scientific papers.
The government are known for pushing an agenda that is not alright for the general public, but becasue a few people in high places can get in their ear easier they are the ones listened to.
Drug companies have a vested interest in vaccinations as maz just wrote its not JUST tha vaccinations, its the creams for rashes the panadol/neurofen for the temperatures... it goes on
I try and keep my children healthy, if i know of an outbreak of something i will keep away while increasing their immune system health so it is able to fight properly! if my children get sick i keep them out of childcare and out of the public(unless its a simple cold) until they are better.. that is how i insure i am not spreading anything.. although often those who are immunised think they can not get it or be a carrier..
All research starts somewhere.. often from a suspicion.. You dont have to be an expert in something to be an expert.
have a look on here there are many women who have so much knowledge about all different topics yet they may not have the paperwork to back it up.. doesnt mean what they know isnt true.
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I have chosen to immunise both my children for a very good reason. When my youngest sister was 6 weeks old, she came in contact with a child with Whooping cough who was NOT immunised My sister nearly died.
Reason enough for me.
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This is very true. I have never even thought about it. A big baby gets the same amount as a tiny one....???? Very interesting!
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Trill a bit of vacc history for you..
originally the hep b was only given to those babies whose parents lived "risky" lives(sex workers, aboriginals ) Then becasue australia become more accepting of others and there were more "mixed" (i dont like this terminology) Marriages and drug use was no longer just for those in lower socio econmical areas or sex workers it was decided it would be offered to everyone. That way those who lie about sexual encounters or drug use wouldnt miss out on thier children having the vax.
for the sceptics this information is from a women who has been working with women and babies for 40 years(and still is) and has seen these at birth vax come in and out over the years.
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Does scare me as babies dont get whooping cough vax till they're 8wks? is that right? I have heard of many babies getting it before their vax
Now this raises a question. If you're a non vaxer parent are you forever scared of your little one catching something. Obvisously if you do vax you're not 100% not going to get anything BUT the chances would be less, yeah?
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You do have to remember though Kass that vaccines aren't 100%. In fact, on some people they don't even trigger an immunity response (don't quote me, i can't remember where I read that), so theres still the chance of your child catching it, and getting it 'as bad' even if they do have the vaccine.
DM - it's great that you are searching for your own truth in this my love.
I will share my truth - or vaccinating according to Inanna...
As for the ingredients as per Entreat. It is my opinion that injecting a small baby - this new little Being with mercury, sulphites & sorbitol is an assault on their little systems. This little one that has only had the living food of breastmilk (in my situation) to be given a drug that includes these toxins as a part ingredient is scary...
The HepB vaccination now given before leaving hospital is an outrage in my opinion. Unless a child is going into an environment where it is at risk of contracting HepB - I think it's just an outrage.
I believe that newborns & in fact children in the first couple of years of life are too immature to deal with the onslaught to their immune systems from vaccines. I find it curious that some scandanavian and asian countries do not immunise until 18 months - 2years. Yet in Australia it is imperative at 6 weeks (or 2 days in the case of HepB???)
As for the government conspiracy theory... Clearly someone who hasn't worked for Qld Health (or possibly any other state's health) made this comment!
It would be very very very innocent to truly believe that governments and thus public health systems are not at the peril of drug companies. This is a whole other topic but one I know much about! Drug companies are big big business. Powerful business. It is very very dangerous when these two (governement & drug companies) overlap.
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