Pretending there isn't a problem doesn't make it go away. Just because there are some people who don't have problems with the HCS doesn't mean there isn't problems. If I had my last birth first I might feel there isn't a problem. I don't think those that are fighting for a better system are destroying it for those that approve of the current one. Whereas doing nothing about the problems that do exist isn't helping anyone. We are human. The product of evolution and change. Without changes we'd still be using mercury as a cure for headaches. Medicine is a science, one that is always improving. I don't see why it can't get better. Who exactly suffers if it does get better? I don't get it. And by saying needs to get better isn't saying that those who gave had good obs, or good hospital births are wrong. Not at all. I was one of those people but that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge those who haven't had the same. There is a misconception that there is zero tolerance for intervention, I don't believe that is the case. I believe there is a zero tolerance for unnecessary intervention. Or intervention that isn't necessary without choice. Thats how I see it. I have a friend who was happily snipped, requested it to fix damage to previous scar damage from previous births. I requested no episiotomy. I had my wishes respected.